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LF MMO with long combat duration

VelifaxVelifax Ogden, UTPosts: 125Member Uncommon

I created this video to show the difference between Vanguard, typically considered to be the mature* MMO, and its inspiration, Everquest 1.


Just pointing out that even in a game I would be satisfied with, as an advance over Everquest, combat still takes at most a few seconds.

I tried a dungeon in Vanguard; the enemies died even quicker than when questing. Couldn't have run myself out of mana/energy if I'd tried, which I did.

Does anyone know of a game where combat, even during solo play, takes a good chunk of time? I expected the new Final Fantasy, 17 or whatever, to provide that but going by Youtube footage, it's the same.

I've attempted to satisfy my urge when I played World of Warcraft by doing heavy AoE farming. That actually worked for many years. Just trying to find something different.

*mature - just talking about the risk/vs reward ratio, the learning curve, incentive to group, etc.

 

TLDR: watch video, recommend game with long duration combat

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  • LoboMauLoboMau Marinha GrandePosts: 396Member
    Go try Secret World. 
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,506Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by LoboMau
    Go try Secret World. 

    Are you joking? I solo 10-12 guys my level with blade/ar build in less than 20 seconds, its a complete faceroll.

    I am not aware of a single MMO with slow paced combat (where solo it takes a couple of minutes to kill a regular trash mob, other than old school EQ1)

     

  • VelifaxVelifax Ogden, UTPosts: 125Member Uncommon

    Thanks for the recommendation but I'm not sure why you'd recommend Secret World. Checked out a Youtube video, all the combat I could find in the hour long video consisted of enemies that last 5 global cooldowns.

     

    And, unfortunately, modern games are not my thing. It's either space or fantasy for me, usually. And combining modern day with fantasy is just, bleh. Can't stand it.

     

    Though the game does look quite smooth, looks like much of the hype was right?

  • grafhgrafh chicago, ILPosts: 310Member Uncommon

    Go try Final Fantasy 11. If you can find a private server thats before Abyssea thats good.

     

    If not, just buy the game. it should be super cheap. Combat is anything but fast in that game lmao. At least it used to be, and i think it still can be.

  • TalemireTalemire Clearwater, FLPosts: 756Member
    EQ1 or Lineage 2

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  • RPGForeverRPGForever PortoviejoPosts: 120Member
    Unrealistic, look at that two handed axe, how many blows could withstand an animal on real life? The second combat, where you fighting  a diamond golem? It lasted centuries.
  • TatercakeTatercake Auburn, WAPosts: 279Member

    try Mortal online

     

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,262Member Uncommon
    Age of Wushu. Not so much for PVE even though there is a lot of it, but for the PvP. A battle between skilled players can sometimes last 10-15 minutes. Pretty friken intense.
  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grafh

    Go try Final Fantasy 11. If you can find a private server thats before Abyssea thats good.

     

    If not, just buy the game. it should be super cheap. Combat is anything but fast in that game lmao. At least it used to be, and i think it still can be.

    Pretty much this ^

    Sadly, most gamers don't like super slow paced combat, and actual combat rarely takes more than a minute for a fight. FFXI is the most current MMO that still abides by oldschool PvE combat mechanics. It even had an imfamous raid boss that took over a day of solid fighting to beat.

    I doubt it's still like that, but the combat should still be what the OP is asking for. Slow (a minute or more per fight), tactical, and group oriented.

  • grafhgrafh chicago, ILPosts: 310Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by aesperus
    Originally posted by grafh

    Go try Final Fantasy 11. If you can find a private server thats before Abyssea thats good.

     

    If not, just buy the game. it should be super cheap. Combat is anything but fast in that game lmao. At least it used to be, and i think it still can be.

    Pretty much this ^

    Sadly, most gamers don't like super slow paced combat, and actual combat rarely takes more than a minute for a fight. FFXI is the most current MMO that still abides by oldschool PvE combat mechanics. It even had an imfamous raid boss that took over a day of solid fighting to beat.

    I doubt it's still like that, but the combat should still be what the OP is asking for. Slow (a minute or more per fight), tactical, and group oriented.

    There are also groups around that still do content the old fashioned way. They refuse to go into abyssea till maybe 80+.. Go to the ffxi official forums, and check the servers. Tell them you are a new player, looking to enjoy the game pre abyssea. You should be able to find some groups or linkshells that will help you. 

    Also, i have yet to see a game with better animations to this date. NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH GRAPHICS, but animations are still some of the best ive ever seen.

    Skills chains. I think gravitation is the best looking one still

    http://www.youtube.com/results?filters=hd&search_query=ffxi+skillchains&lclk=hd

     

    Weapon sill animations.. WHY CANT I HAVE THIS IN FFXIV!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF3AKcTdVyQ

  • VelifaxVelifax Ogden, UTPosts: 125Member Uncommon

    Thanks everyone for the recommendations; I'll look into FFXI. I hadn't realized it was still playable.

     

    I don't think Lineage would be my thing; too much PVP. If I could handle PVP I'd probably be playing EVE.

  • KarahandrasKarahandras Sible HedinghamPosts: 1,673Member Uncommon

    I seem to remember ryzom or planeshift could fit the bill, haven't played them in a while but a free so u'll have to check for yourself.

    Some of the ship to ship combat in uncharted waters could take a decent while.

    Neocron 2 could also be well worth a look if you want some longer combat.

  • VelifaxVelifax Ogden, UTPosts: 125Member Uncommon

    Thanks for those kahhanadndhandars or whatever; can't see your name when replying. I checked out Ryzom but I'll be damned if can find any combat other than the newbie area, which shows enemies being downed in three spell casts. Also looked up PlaneShift in which I saw a rat in the sewer killed in two hits, a total of perhaps 3 seconds of combat.

     

    I did try that pirate ship game, was kinda cool. Not enough to draw me away from MMOs into which I've already invested time, though.

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon ParisPosts: 2,062Member Uncommon
    And what dungeon did you try in Vanguard?

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  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member

    It all depends on what you are fighting on what class you are playing.  Soloing Champions (and even Legendary) MOBs in GW2 can take forever and each fight in a EM dungeon solo can take a really long time, I've had a few which take upwards of 45 minutes.  Of course anything else in that game dies quickly enough.

    FFXIV had a really slow combat pace, but this was improved with ARR although it's still slow compared to most MMOs by today's standards.

    Of course there are raid bosses in raiding MMOs.  Some of the end bosses in Rift (at least when I played) would take 10-15 minutes on one fight alone and I believe Akylios in Hammerknell took about 30 minutes on average to down.

    Many F2P or Korean MMOs have long drawn out fights especially at high levels.  Soloing takes a ridiculous amount of time with downtime in between.  I remember one where killing 20 MOBs an hour was an excellent speed.

    I really think the only AAA games still running strong that fit your criteria are FFXI and Everquest.

    (Actually if you are looking for non-traditional MMO combat, things like Puzzle Pirates and even Pirates 101 and such take a very long time.  A typical ship battle in Puzzle Pirates takes several (15?) minutes)

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  • DirkinDirkin Manassas, VAPosts: 78Member
    To be fair, you picked just about the worst example of a long fight in VG. There are plenty that take longer. That said, no, the fights aren't several minutes long unless you're raiding or kiting something above your level. There are a few that take a good long while if you're doing that.
  • UtinniUtinni Richmond, VAPosts: 380Member Uncommon


    Try out p99. With EQMac closed down there are a lot more people in the lower level range to play with. If you want an even longer combat experience roll a necro or druid and solo!

  • TheUnscathedTheUnscathed Lawrenceville, GAPosts: 22Member
    Originally posted by Utinni


    Try out p99. With EQMac closed down there are a lot more people in the lower level range to play with. If you want an even longer combat experience roll a necro or druid and solo!

    What is P99? Link?

  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,556Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by LoboMau
    Go try Secret World. 

    Are you joking? I solo 10-12 guys my level with blade/ar build in less than 20 seconds, its a complete faceroll.

    I am not aware of a single MMO with slow paced combat (where solo it takes a couple of minutes to kill a regular trash mob, other than old school EQ1)

     

    Make a less than perfect build and soloing two guys at the same time (later in the game) is a challenge. 

     

    Sorry OP, EQ1 is about it.  The crowd that wants to kill 30 mobs with one aoe has brainwashed MMO devs.

  • Faust666Faust666 Monroe, GAPosts: 1Member
    Originally posted by TheUnscathed
    Originally posted by Utinni


    Try out p99. With EQMac closed down there are a lot more people in the lower level range to play with. If you want an even longer combat experience roll a necro or druid and solo!

    What is P99? Link?

    Probably referring to Project 1999

    http://www.project1999.com/

    It's an EQ1 Emulator server that has a max level of 60 and only has the Kunark expansion active. It's setup how the game was in 1999 so it's a lot more "hardcore".

  • bobbyk45248bobbyk45248 Cincinnati, OHPosts: 28Member Common

    Pirate101 is a MMO that has turn-based strategy combat with real time ship battles. It is for players of all ages. I am a middle age adult and I thoroughly enjoy the game. It kind of reminds me of the old school Final Fantasy battles but the graphics and moves and way better!

     

    If you like long drawn out combat, you must give this game a try! Battles will make you think about your every move beforehand if you are like me and like to strategize your moves.

     

    I never thought I liked turn based games until I gave Pirate101 a shot and it changed my way of thinking.

     

    You can play the entire first storyline/quest for free, which will take about three hours and you should know by then if it is your cup of tea. It only costs $9.95 a month if you want to subscribe.

     

    If you do decide to create an account, feel free to message me and I can give you a friend code and help you out leveling and such. I am always looking for more friends in this game and I really would like to see it get the recognition it deserves. I would give it an 8.5 out of 10 rating personally. The graphics are very good and the gameplay is very fun and addictive.

     

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