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[General Article] Diablo 3: Hey Blizzard! Thanks for the Crusader!

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  • MaelzraelMaelzrael Las Cruces, NMPosts: 354Member Uncommon
    I think if you avoid the ah and just play it for the gameplay and story then the game itself is fantastic. The expansion will make this slot easier to do so it's all good.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by kilun
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by DamonVile
     

    OHHH I didn't know I was talkign to the voice of millions....

    I'm not the "voice of the millions." You want proof which one the playerbase liked better? Okay.

     

    Look at the user score for Diablo 3.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii

     

    Now look at the user score for Torchlight 2:

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight-ii

     

    Based upon that most players agree Torchlight 2 is better.

    yes that user group gave it a 3.3. Sounds legit when the real critics gave them the same score ( an 88 ).  IGN users gave it an 8.3 weird how that's way closer to what every paid critic seems to be scoring it.

    Sounds more like you went looking for ppl that agreed with your opinion instead of actually finding out what " most" people think

    That is what "most" people think. I just provided proof of it. And yes "PAID" (or "paid-off") critics did give it a better score, but guess what matters in the end? The players, and obviously from the horrid user score of 3.3 most players didn't like Dioblo 3 or hated the auction house, RMT, and always online DRM policies enough that they didn't feel as if it deserved a very high score.

     

    On the other hand Torchlight 2 has a 8.8 user score and it had none of those problems... Huh, you think there just maaaay be a connection to that?

     

    So yup, a crap ton of people did buy Diablo 3. Because of 1) the reputation of Diablo and Diablo 2 helped it make those sales. 2) Blizzard's massive advertising campaign for the game (Diablo 2 never had T.V. commercials for it). 3) An increased population of gamers. 4) The fact that people that signed up for the World of Warcraft annual pass got Diablo 3 for free.

     

    In the end listing off how many units of Diablo 3 were sold proves absolutely nothing because of those four things.

    And your whole post proves nothing as well.  When the expansion sells whatever percentage of the original, it'll deem whether the game has improved.  But to say that TL2 or POE are in the same category is a fluke.   I own both and neither are solid ARPGs.  Dungeon Siege(1) was IMO the closest thing to a successor of Diablo franchise than any other game produced.

    Apparently thousands of positive user reviews for TL2 and thousands of negative ones for D3 proves "nothing at all." Alrighty... I guess denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

     

    And yeah, the expansion will probably sell a lot. Simply for the reason because it's Blizzard and they spend a crap ton of money advertising and promoting their games. Not to mention you see Diablo 3 on MMORPG news sites like these... When Diablo 3 is no way or form an MMORPG.

     

    Ever seen Torchlight 2 on here? No, and that's because they aren't spending massive amounts of money for advertisements like Blizzard is.

    Wow had millions of haters giving it bad reviews. That didn't stop 12 million people from having a sub. Metacritic doesn't require you to actually even own the game, so wow you found a site that people can troll a game and this some how proves a point. Can you prove that even a single person that gave a review there actually owns the game ?

    It just shows any fact can be twisted to ONE forum posters opinion when they need that ONE opinion to count for more than it really does. It wouldn't be good enough for you to say you think tl2 is better because who cares what one guy thinks. Now that you have a "most people" ohh suddenly it proves some fact.

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by kilun
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by DamonVile
     

    OHHH I didn't know I was talkign to the voice of millions....

    I'm not the "voice of the millions." You want proof which one the playerbase liked better? Okay.

     

    Look at the user score for Diablo 3.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii

     

    Now look at the user score for Torchlight 2:

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight-ii

     

    Based upon that most players agree Torchlight 2 is better.

    yes that user group gave it a 3.3. Sounds legit when the real critics gave them the same score ( an 88 ).  IGN users gave it an 8.3 weird how that's way closer to what every paid critic seems to be scoring it.

    Sounds more like you went looking for ppl that agreed with your opinion instead of actually finding out what " most" people think

    That is what "most" people think. I just provided proof of it. And yes "PAID" (or "paid-off") critics did give it a better score, but guess what matters in the end? The players, and obviously from the horrid user score of 3.3 most players didn't like Dioblo 3 or hated the auction house, RMT, and always online DRM policies enough that they didn't feel as if it deserved a very high score.

     

    On the other hand Torchlight 2 has a 8.8 user score and it had none of those problems... Huh, you think there just maaaay be a connection to that?

     

    So yup, a crap ton of people did buy Diablo 3. Because of 1) the reputation of Diablo and Diablo 2 helped it make those sales. 2) Blizzard's massive advertising campaign for the game (Diablo 2 never had T.V. commercials for it). 3) An increased population of gamers. 4) The fact that people that signed up for the World of Warcraft annual pass got Diablo 3 for free.

     

    In the end listing off how many units of Diablo 3 were sold proves absolutely nothing because of those four things.

    And your whole post proves nothing as well.  When the expansion sells whatever percentage of the original, it'll deem whether the game has improved.  But to say that TL2 or POE are in the same category is a fluke.   I own both and neither are solid ARPGs.  Dungeon Siege(1) was IMO the closest thing to a successor of Diablo franchise than any other game produced.

    Apparently thousands of positive user reviews for TL2 and thousands of negative ones for D3 proves "nothing at all." Alrighty... I guess denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

     

    And yeah, the expansion will probably sell a lot. Simply for the reason because it's Blizzard and they spend a crap ton of money advertising and promoting their games. Not to mention you see Diablo 3 on MMORPG news sites like these... When Diablo 3 is no way or form an MMORPG.

     

    Ever seen Torchlight 2 on here? No, and that's because they aren't spending massive amounts of money for advertisements like Blizzard is.

    Wow had millions of haters giving it bad reviews. That didn't stop 12 million people from having a sub. Metacritic doesn't require you to actually even own the game, so wow you found a site that people can troll a game and this some how proves a point. Can you prove that even a single person that gave a review there actually owns the game ?

    It just shows any fact can be twisted to ONE forum posters opinion when they need that ONE opinion to count for more than it really does. It wouldn't be good enough for you to say you think tl2 is better because who cares what one guy thinks. Now that you have a "most people" ohh suddenly it proves some fact.

    First of all, Diablo 3 isn't a sub-based game (for someone who is so heavily defending it, I'd think you'd know that...). Secondly I reiterate, "1) the reputation of Diablo and Diablo 2 helped it make those sales. 2) Blizzard's massive advertising campaign for the game (Diablo 2 never had T.V. commercials for it). 3) An increased population of gamers. 4) The fact that people that signed up for the World of Warcraft annual pass got Diablo 3 for free."

     

    Most of my friends didn't even know about Torchlight 2 because it had almost no advertising at all, yet it still managed to hit a modest 2 million sales. Pretty good for a game that had such little advertising (in fact, I'm not really even sure it had any advertisements for it at all as I've certainly never seen any). On another note... All my friends knew about Diablo 3.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    First of all, Diablo 3 isn't a sub-based game (for someone who is so heavily defending it, I'd think you'd know that...). Secondly I reiterate, "1) the reputation of Diablo and Diablo 2 helped it make those sales. 2) Blizzard's massive advertising campaign for the game (Diablo 2 never had T.V. commercials for it). 3) An increased population of gamers. 4) The fact that people that signed up for the World of Warcraft annual pass got Diablo 3 for free."

     

    I think we're done here. 

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,899Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razeekster

    I'm not the "voice of the millions." You want proof which one the playerbase liked better? Okay.

     

    Look at the user score for Diablo 3.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii

     

    Now look at the user score for Torchlight 2:

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight-ii

     

    Based upon that most players agree Torchlight 2 is better.

    The problem there is many aren't even reviewing the game in and of itself, they're reviewing the service. We saw the same thing with Simcity, XBOX one (before MS changed their policy), Ubisoft games, etc..etc.. Many are reviewing the DRM, and basing their opinion solely on that.

    While it's fair to critique a game for anything that turns you off. It's not exactly telling of the actual game in and of itself. In terms of how it plays, how fun it actually is, how polished (which online had a huge and expected impact on that overall opinion. {it even turned into a bullet fired back at Blizz, EA, and Ubi policies}. DRM is simply a barrier, once you're past it it hardly diminishes game-play.

    Personally I can't stand just about any isometric ARPG or hack and slash in general. The few I did were short lived thrills, and not much more. I have never liked diablo, but that doesn't cloud my opinion on this, people had a &^%$ fit over the DRM and bad launch, everyone saw that. That had to have an impact on those ratings.

     

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,494Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razeekster

    Ever seen Torchlight 2 on here? No, and that's because they aren't spending massive amounts of money for advertisements like Blizzard is.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/view/reviews/loadReview/236

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/6745

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/6739

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/6691

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/4544/Travis-Baldree-Interview.html

     

    If Torchlight II was having an expansion, they would be talking about it. Diablo III is having an expansion and so they are talking about it. They rated Torchlight II higher than Diablo III by the way.

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by Razeekster

    Ever seen Torchlight 2 on here? No, and that's because they aren't spending massive amounts of money for advertisements like Blizzard is.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/view/reviews/loadReview/236

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/6745

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/6739

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/6691

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/432/feature/4544/Travis-Baldree-Interview.html

     

    If Torchlight II was having an expansion, they would be talking about it. Diablo III is having an expansion and so they are talking about it. They rated Torchlight II higher than Diablo III by the way.

    Guess I missed those. 

    Smile

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Razeekster

    I'm not the "voice of the millions." You want proof which one the playerbase liked better? Okay.

     

    Look at the user score for Diablo 3.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii

     

    Now look at the user score for Torchlight 2:

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight-ii

     

    Based upon that most players agree Torchlight 2 is better.

    The problem there is many aren't even reviewing the game in and of itself, they're reviewing the service. We saw the same thing with Simcity, XBOX one (before MS changed their policy), Ubisoft games, etc..etc.. Many are reviewing the DRM, and basing their opinion solely on that.

    While it's fair to critique a game for anything that turns you off. It's not exactly telling of the actual game in and of itself. In terms of how it plays, how fun it actually is, how polished (which online had a huge and expected impact on that overall opinion. {it even turned into a bullet fired back at Blizz, EA, and Ubi policies}. DRM is simply a barrier, once you're past it it hardly diminishes game-play.

    Personally I can't stand just about any isometric ARPG or hack and slash in general. The few I did were short lived thrills, and not much more. I have never liked diablo, but that doesn't cloud my opinion on this, people had a &^%$ fit over the DRM and bad launch, everyone saw that. That had to have an impact on those ratings.

     

    My favorite AARPG is still Diablo 2. I feel like Diablo 3 was dumbed down.

    Smile

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    First of all, Diablo 3 isn't a sub-based game (for someone who is so heavily defending it, I'd think you'd know that...). Secondly I reiterate, "1) the reputation of Diablo and Diablo 2 helped it make those sales. 2) Blizzard's massive advertising campaign for the game (Diablo 2 never had T.V. commercials for it). 3) An increased population of gamers. 4) The fact that people that signed up for the World of Warcraft annual pass got Diablo 3 for free."

     

    I think we're done here. 

    Not really sure what you're trying to prove by highlighting that in red. You did say "sub" and implied they had 12 million when it isn't even a sub-based game...

    Smile

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,899Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razeekster

     

    My favorite AARPG is still Diablo 2. I feel like Diablo 3 was dumbed down.

    Not a sentiment I haven't heard before in regard to 3. There may be some truth to that, personally I like Marvel Ultimate alliance ( even though I'm not a comic fan, it just had a great co-op style IMO, Titan quest was pretty fun for a bit as well. (mythology fan here). I could never really get into the lore with Diablo, nor really any other Blizz product.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,378Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    First of all, Diablo 3 isn't a sub-based game (for someone who is so heavily defending it, I'd think you'd know that...). Secondly I reiterate, "1) the reputation of Diablo and Diablo 2 helped it make those sales. 2) Blizzard's massive advertising campaign for the game (Diablo 2 never had T.V. commercials for it). 3) An increased population of gamers. 4) The fact that people that signed up for the World of Warcraft annual pass got Diablo 3 for free."

     

    I think we're done here. 

    Not really sure what you're trying to prove by highlighting that in red. You did say "sub" and implied they had 12 million when it isn't even a sub-based game...

    Although I agree with you that TL2 was better than D3 (for me it was much funner), the portion in red is highlighted because he was talking about WoW and not D3. Go back and read it cause I'd hate to see your debate end on a minor technicality when I am having so much fun reading your responses in comparison to that fluff piece the OP posted. 

    I'd like to add I am thankful that I am not the only one that sees just how shallow the third installment of a beloved title was. I am still holding out hopes that some sort of info gives me reason to believe they can turn it around but I am jaded at this point.

     

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Razeekster

     

    My favorite AARPG is still Diablo 2. I feel like Diablo 3 was dumbed down.

    Not a sentiment I haven't heard before in regard to 3. There may be some truth to that, personally I like Marvel Ultimate alliance ( even though I'm not a comic fan, it just had a great co-op style IMO, Titan quest was pretty fun for a bit as well. (mythology fan here). I could never really get into the lore with Diablo, nor really any other Blizz product.

    I like Marvel Heroes for what it is, but the disappointment I feel over it not being a 3D Marvel MMO makes it hard for me to get into the game without a sense of bitterness.

    Smile

  • RPGForeverRPGForever PortoviejoPosts: 120Member
    Thanks for the information.
  • YizleYizle Atlanta, GAPosts: 517Member
    Originally posted by exile01

    im just generaly against all advertizements, especially those hiden in articles like those.

    pls just dont do this anymore, this lowers your rating. Its not like there are no new alternatives for information.

    I barely come to this site anymore maybe every few weeks because its Mods do retaliate against free speech and hide blatant advertisements in the form of articles. Their fluff pieces are horridly biased and it shows.

     

    This use to be actually a good site with solid articles and contributions from its staff. It has changed.

  • Yoottos'HorgYoottos'Horg Colorado Springs, VAPosts: 287Member
    Originally posted by SBFord
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    95% of my time is spent on the forums where people actually discuss the games good and bad attributes.  I'm not looking for "hater" sites.  I'm looking for honest discussion and preferably a site whose writers are advocates for the players, not the advertisers.  I haven't found that site yet.

    Simply because writers don't agree with your view of things, that makes their opinions less valuable than yours. I see now. Thanks for clearing that up. :P

    Is it possible that I advocate for, you know, the players who like Diablo 3 as it is, was and forever shall be, Amen? :D

    Well...yes. I mean the very notion of an opinion demands that the person with said opinion must BELIEVE they are correct and that all others without their opinion are wrong/less valuable. I can't honestly think of anyone who knowingly holds a wrong/less valuable/inferior opinion. Why would I or any other sane/rational person believe something they know to be wrong? If you believe someone is in fact insane then why bother discussing the issue with them in the first place?

     

    So yes, your differing opinion is less valuable because it is (according to the other individual) wrong.

     

    When the hell did society become so intolerant of others intolerance?! The world would be so damned dull if we all held the same opinions.

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    If you got nothing else out of this thread at least you got to see attractive women in bikinis.

  • BethelsBoyBethelsBoy South Bend, INPosts: 216Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by baphamet

    SMH @ the comments here.

    when i think the community here can't get any worse i am proven wrong yet again.

    just horrid.

    reason why i barely come to this site anymore. pure negativity on every article and every post about a game.

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  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Razeekster

    Based upon that most players agree Torchlight 2 is better.

    The problem there is many aren't even reviewing the game in and of itself, they're reviewing the service. We saw the same thing with Simcity, XBOX one (before MS changed their policy), Ubisoft games, etc..etc.. Many are reviewing the DRM, and basing their opinion solely on that.

    if you look at the recent metacritic player reviews- they are reviewing the game, not the service

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviews?sort-by=date&num_items=100

  • This article was way too close to an advertisement. I get that Suzie likes D3 (I don't,) but I come to this site to read objective articles, not a gushing praisefests.

    "Hey Blizzard! Thanks for the Crusader!"

    Really?

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