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Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Vutar I think the thing that always makes these models hilarious is that there are people still deceived into thinking the game is free to play. People on this site will defend to their grave the model called free to play when in reality it costs more to play than a sub game if you want the same benefits the sub game gives.
I think it's hilarious that after at least 4 years spent on this site and 600 posts later you still pretend that F2P is something other than "no sub required to logon". That is fricken hilarious.
What is it the P2P proponents always say? It's just $15/mo. That's only 50 cents a day and if you can't afford that then you should find another hobby. So why are they so cheap if it comes to spending more than that $15?
Because $20 for one fucking virtual ship or hero unlock, out of maybe 20-30 is ridicilous. I dont mind spending $1500 on my gaming rig because I know it is going to last me a couple of years and tons of games and gaming hours. But I am not going to bloody spend $20 for one bloody virtual item. And if I dont, then I know there will be other people who have more money than sense and who I will have to compete with.
F2P is shit. It should be banned.
There is a big problem and picture if one chooses to look at the truth.
If there is no reason to black market then there is nothing worth anything in game and all worthwhile stuff will be RMT only.The simple reason is that RMT don't have to trade just gold to make money,they can use the gold and sell items just as easily,unless as i said there is nothing worthwhile in game aside from rmt.
So there is two points,either black market will always exist or the game is a real shambles in that in game is worthless and you MUST spend untold amounts to get anything worthwhile.
Even if another player wanted gold there are ways around it,like black market person buys 5000 sticks of wood,trades yo uthat wood for RMT and then you sell that wood back to NPC for gold.Unless you totally remove all trading period,there is no way around removing the black market,only law suits could do that.
A really good game cannot pretend to operate free if selling the wanted items through cash shop.Many of us no longer accept the "we expect it attitude",i prefer straight out the truth nothing misleading or i will not support it,this goes for any game not just AA.
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Originally posted by Yamota Originally posted by dutchman And thats another game that is not getting my moneys..... What is it with this pay to win bullshit, loved the days where a subscription was enough.
Companies got (more) greedy and gamers got lazy and felt entitled to get to endgame and get endgame items just by opening their wallets. That's what happened.
It's really quite simple. A PvP/region owning game where you can buy strategic advantages with real money is unbelievably.... (how to put it to not get another warning....) distorted.
But I also lost almost all interest in AA after it went live and they started their "improvements".
Originally posted by xAPOCx Originally posted by Yamota Originally posted by dutchman And thats another game that is not getting my moneys..... What is it with this pay to win bullshit, loved the days where a subscription was enough.
I feel like I'm actually to lazy for this p2w scheme. The first thing I thought when I saw the chart posted in this thread was, Isn't there some way I can just pay you some money every month and play the game? I can't be bothered to figure out what the hell all those currencies mean to me as a player. Maybe I'd feel compelled to figure it out if I was already a player, but seeing it up front.. it reminds me of trying to figure out the best car insurance or something, no thanks.
Originally posted by LlexX Originally posted by Daemoneyes 1. Crystals 2. Arcs 3. Gold That makes it a TRIPLE currency system, goddammit..
4. Tears (daily quests, exploration, etc)
5. Gold Coins (from trading, it's different from the other gold currency)
6. Lulu Coins (cash shop coins, probably going to get removed after adding the arches)
hmmm which ones did i forget... (Rice Cake, Labor Points)
Just realized why he said "dual currency system"
because there will be only 2 that matter and you can bet that none of them will be Gold or Tears..
Step in the arena and break the wall down
Because it is pay to win.
I wouldnt blink an eye if the sub was 60€ a month, if it has to be because the server costs/game/service etc plus a nice margin of profit for them costs that much, sure go for it.
But dont try to sell me a pay2win system in a competetive game, this is absolute bull.
As the Diablo 3 guys recently said, its about feeling good.
You do not feel good when you finally after tons of grinding crafted that epic item and the guy next to you tell you he bought the same or even better item for 5€.
This completely ruins your feeling of achivement!
A lot of devs and people then try it with the fstupid argument that the entry into the game is so hard without a p2w.
But that is even more bull, do not make the freaking char advancement vertical.
Give player more options and not more power per level!
Quack. Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. It's a quacked up quacking quack of quacking quackery. Quack off.
"Arcs are tradable currency, and it can be earned from some game contents or trade with other users. User in need of Arcs can earn it by selling the items that they produced during their game play through auction or PvP trade system."
And thus, there will be a black market. Instead of "gold sellers" there will be "arc sellers".
They will bot/farm whatever is needed to trade for arcs, which they will then in turn sell for less than what they can be bought for from XLGames.
You cannot stop the sellers unless you just plain remove currency from the game or sell it so cheap yourself that it would never be worth their time.
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I and my friend all ready decided that we will not play any of this bad Pay models and we were waiting for years this game when first trailer came out with some ships battles .
Except that Xlgame introduce some outrageous Pay models look at the updates in last 6 months
Dolphins pink with some avatar navis tentacles on head Teddy bear bear Pirate Teddy bear pirates teddy bear on a pink dolphin with navis tentacles or starbucks inns this game is broken...
Its no more lore relates it overhaul immersion feeling is destroyed game is filled with stupid cheat junk as in all cheap F2p pushed to western korean games.
This game should have became a legend but because of Asian community where a game like Blade and Soul with big plastic ass and boobs needs 120 servers to keep all people who wants to play.
Still Archage could be a huge success in EU USA for it European medieval style . But this won't happen because of XL game next patch are very Asian like with dump kawai shit with retarded armors from anime or from AION . So yeah game is a fail
I will not even download it EVEN IF IT WILL BE FREE even if XLgame I will pay me to play this game I will not play it.
AND yea there will be 1000 of bots farming rare junk to sell and make tons of arcs
it will start slow but after a while bots will farm so much mats that price and amount for them will be crazy.. this model is just a greedy way to steal money from brainless people. Also F2P model is even more favorable for bots.
In Silkroad I was a simple player not a gold seller and I was runing 20 + bots I had hundreds millions of gold and I was farming even more to keep with prices same will be with this game easy F2p game have no limit from this point of view and no danger because account is free so yeah spam bots all they say is a lie I've play mmo for 12 years Ive see lot of shit but this is over the limit FUCK XLGAMES
TRION Please listen to community some people most of their lives here played video games and we are the customers we know whats better and I talk about grown half of gameing community not about these kids who are bored of 2 days and wants all ready press 1 to kill boss press 2 to loot. After Ru Archage fail you're the only hope if you pick same model BB you lose your first customer.
Trion if you fail at this game your dead
i have never had a monetization system literally cause my brain to ooze out my skull until now.
I hope trion straightens that clusterf**k up a LOT for the american one. Or perhaps just implements a nice simple monthly fee? (wishful thinking)
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I don't think I'll play this now, and it's a shame because I thought it would be the only good game since Lineage 2. This is WORSE than a botfest or pay to win.. I could always get what I wanted in other games.. these new currency systems and bind everything you pick up/equip sucks...
Now it just like a mashup of Lineage 2/WoW with Forsaken World's god awful pay to win cash shop system that makes it so you can't play without cash shopping. (literally - all the gold in FW is from cash shop, and ingame stuff doesn't really sell)
Plain subscription > Free To Play.
With F2P as the main model, a lot of the design in the game goes towards how they can direct people towards the cash shop. Not interested in ArcheAge anymore, unfortunately.
Originally posted by Params7 Plain subscription > Free To Play. With F2P as the main model, a lot of the design in the game goes towards how they can direct people towards the cash shop. Not interested in ArcheAge anymore, unfortunately.
It's starting to get that way. It's going to be sad watching what was a promising change for the better copying the same failed tactics that got the genre into the rut it's in to begin with.
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