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Originally posted by Grahor What's wrong with current longevity? SWTOR is still alive, Rift, Tera, GW2... All of them! They still have users and bring profit. Do you mean wow-like kind of success? Not gonna happen, ever again - not even with Blizzard's games. Or do you mean "longevity for me, personally"? Huh.
Will the game have longevity for your typical poster here.....no
Will the game go on for years oblivious to what people here think about it...yes.
Originally posted by Rusque TESO - It all hinges on what you can do at level cap. Yes, I'm all for the journey, but "adventure zones" or whatever they're going to call them and the RvR need to be solid systems to have that longevity. I'm in the beta and I know what the current gameplay feels like but NDA.
So far my clans have good hope for ESO & Star Citizen, and a few other games like Rust.
If the game companies did exactly as I sent to their developers with feedback, and suggestions then they should have no problem keeping me actively playing as a subscriber, if they start doing lame things like massive nerfs, changes, don't add customization, nickel and dime its consumers for changing appearance instead of making it 100% free in game then I will not play the game or support it I dropped every other MMO that has done this so far and have no problem doing it again with any future MMO.
The exception being games like EVE Online which allows players to freely change their character appearance at any time, StarTrek Online one time purchase of content you can freely customize the character any time, and I hope Star CItizen/ The other games are like this.
I honestly have no faith in NCsoft anymore as a company, as Lineage 2 was my very first NCsoft MMO, I started playing that around the same time I did Guild Wars, which was around 2005, the game was great, except for the fact at high levels you have constant down time and that is the only reason I quit Lineage 2.
So the game went F2P my account gets hacked NCsoft does nothing to roll back my account says its my fault when it was safe for years until the game went F2P meaning perhaps it wasn't even hacked but all my gear was gone others had the same issue too.
Then Aion same exact thing it goes F2P, but the game had many cheaters/exploiters, and not only did it go F2P But the cosmetics shop holy Cash-Shop they want to charge me not only a monthly fee but for plastic surgery tickets to customize before going F2P that is when I dropped the subscription to their game.
I have no faith in NCsoft after the years which I have had some good experiences but those experiences ruined by their decisions. I like F2P Games, but I feel NCsoft needs to get developers who know what they are doing, take GW2 for example Its a okay game for F2P I don't have to spend money can customize quite a bit without spending cash/in game gold, but the problem, no housing, can't learn all crafts on a single character so I don't even bother playing it much, and with the new ascended its constant grind. So I have no hopes for WildStar.
No to all those you list
Yes to Elite Dangerous & Star Citizen
Originally posted by Kuviski From the titles I've been following I think Wildstar is currently the only one that might have a chance at lasting for a relatively long time. That is if they manage to attract the ex-WoW player crowd that are essentially looking for a more hardcore version of the game they're so used to.
I think this will only remain true if they actually do target the properly hardcore market. And I mean from bottom to top. Not just raiders, but anyone who wants an MMORPG that requires a little more work.
Right now, this is not being done. If they only target the raiders and give everyone else what WoW currently offers, I don't think they'll get very far. If I want current WoW's hyper-linear questlines, well, guess what, I am going to go play WoW.
Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoWCurrently playing: GW2, EVEExcited for: Wildstar, maybe?
Well I have played nearly about 15 - 20 MMOs and only 2 I got so involved in, that they lasted me 2 - 3 years each.
Do I expect something like that with these new games coming? No, not really. Besides EQN, I don't really see anything all that new. I don't know why anyone would expect these games to change anything.
ESO: I am excited about it, it looks interesting, but unless they change the payment model to B2P or F2P, I won't be touching it. Either that, or I will play on a private server. Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge F2P fan, I much rather games use a B2P model with at most a very minor cash shop. The reason I don't see it lasting very long for myself though, is because I honestly have played plenty of MMOs like it.
Wildstar: Again, looks good. Pretty much same as ESO.
EQN: If they deliver ... I think this could actually prove me wrong. I just feel like .. it's not going to happen.
If last means they will have more than 500k subs after 6 months.
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It depends on what you mean by "Last."
If you mean Last as in have 1 million+ subs for years and years like WoW then NO.
If you mean simply still in operation then yeah. Even the failed MMOs are still around. Vanguard servers are still UP even though it was declared a failure 7 years ago. Rift is still around, AION, TERA, SWTOR, Neverwinter, FFXIV are all still operational.
Whether you are having fun in these games is up to you. Speaking for myself I am having fun right now in my little niche games that I play. Game hoppers bring about their own misery because they are always focused on the next game rather then living in the now.
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Originally posted by salsa41 are you have problem ?
Originally posted by PerfArt EQN absolutely. Their model is airtight. If the delivery matches, it could be unstoppable for some time. SOE is playing a very smart game right now. Wildstar might be a success, but I doubt it will have real legs. Seems a bit too surface level to last very long, but time will tell. ESO will most likely be a beautiful, fireworks-drenched extravaganza of failure. That or a resounding triumph. I truly can't call that one. Too many variables involving the IP and the real content... but if pressed, I would predict the former. My pick for "longevity" is therefore EQN.
I agree with you on EQN, although the whole founder packs "fiasco" might actually hurt them, if only in the beginning.
I also agree with you on Wildstar, although I'm a tad more optimistic than you, because I it's "real legs" is it's humor, and it's good humor at that (I have laughed at at least one thing per dev video, so I think that shows how good it is)
I think ESO will be a fireworks-drenched extravaganza of resounding triumph. Judging by gameplay videos, it looks almost identical to Skyrim with some differences, and let's face it, Skyrim was an awesome game.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
I'm not expecting any MMO to last, nor do I think they should. Games are only fun for a certain amount of time and then people go elsewhere. I cannot imagine staying with a single game, no matter how fantastic it is, forever. I think every game coming out is going to do fine for a while, then lose players, then go F2P and eventually fade away, leaving only the few fanatics that all games come up with.
Why should they be any different than the vast majority of games on the market?
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Originally posted by asrlohz Originally posted by delete5230 With the anticipated newer mmos around the corner, and as fun as they seem, are you really expecting Deep, Rich, Long lasting enjoyment. An mmo as you perceive it ......I'm asking you to put aside features, and asking you if you expect to call one home for a long time.......Yes, my question is Longevety...Are you finally expecting it ? Examples : -Wildstar -Elder Scrolls Online -EverQuest Next, -any other near future mmo. My Opinion : I for some reason was expecting FF14 to be that game, I don't know why. Maybe because it was Square Enix and they have a solid history. I went into the game with my Built-in-forgetter that it was a rush job to fix a broken release.....I seem to romance only to be disappointed over and over.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Square Enix is great and I usually trust that their High Profile games are going to be good. But I haven't had a single gaming experience with them without some massive oversight since their early Final Fantasy years. Albeit, FF14 was probably a pretty good entry to the MMO scene but they have to tries to even get it remotely right. And from what I played in the beta, the first twenty minutes were courier quests supposed to be a tutorial that figuratively bored the crap out of me.
Still, I their games are usually a good bet, but I was still bummed out after having to purchase a 360 controller to be able to play one of my PC games.
Square was great, Square-Enix is not.
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Of your list, EQN will last the longest if you see it as the others will all be F2P in a short time to continue after the money grab. EQ Landmark also has a chance to last even longer due to players being able to create just about anything...Shroud of the Avatar WILL last long if not just due to the fact that they have it planned out to release the base game in chunks over several years, top it off with also being able to create just about anything and the typical fantastic Ultima story/world.
And those are just western made games. If Ein and Black Desert turn out to be even HALF what it seems it is, we will finally have two decent sandbox games in fully fleshed out worlds.
But I do understand your bleak outlook on the MMO genre, being so trapped in the rutt its been in for so long and several top upcoming MMOs like Wildstar and TESO being the exact same thing. But don't fret, there are SOME developers that don't have their heads trapped in that small box.
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Wildstar is the only one i am interested in and just hope i won't be totally disappointed.
EQN is not my cup of tea and from what i saw of TESO it will be the worst of the bunch, i just don't understand what Zenimax is doing with that one.
Lineage Eternal is the only one from NCSOft that has the chance to last as long as Lineage 1 that still makes 50-60-80+ million dollars per quarter for NCSoft since 1998. It all depends on the development direction taken by the dev team.
Wildstar won't even last for two years.
Personally I play games untill I get bored. So that's how long any game gets with me. It differs from game to game mind.
More often than not, if the game hasn't shutdown I return.
Seeing as the games some people claim that failed are still alive and kicking, I'm guessing these new bunch won't be any different. they will be around for a while.