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Is it just me or D3 is one of a kind?

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  • SinakuSinaku Austin, TXPosts: 481Member Uncommon

    I personally like Path of Exile. Felt more Diablo to me than D3 did but I honestly thought the story and tree line of diablo 3 was really bad.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Ligi

    "but the combat out of the window"

    That’s the all point of my first post, D3 is one of a kind in what concerns combat mechanics, physics and dynamics.

    And that on my book is much more important than creating a good AH or a lot of content in order to rival other mmorpgs on the market

    This is an ACTION rpg,,  not a monopoly typhoon or a sandbox multiplayer economy like Project Entropia or EVE Online .

    The main purpose of this game is hack and slash and that my friends , D3 does is better like no other

    The end of the  real money  and gold auction house announcement enforces this and if Blizzard manages to  implement all the upcoming changes on the next patch and expansion, we have an awesome game for the next years to come.

    Yeah. The game is already pretty awesome just because combat is done so well. Now other aspects of the game will be improved too.

    I especially like the loot run concept .. that is the key for long term play.

  • sportsfansportsfan BlankenbergePosts: 431Member
    Originally posted by Ligi

    "but the combat out of the window"

    That’s the all point of my first post, D3 is one of a kind in what concerns combat mechanics, physics and dynamics.

    And that on my book is much more important than creating a good AH or a lot of content in order to rival other mmorpgs on the market

    This is an ACTION rpg,,  not a monopoly typhoon or a sandbox multiplayer economy like Project Entropia or EVE Online .

    The main purpose of this game is hack and slash and that my friends , D3 does is better like no other

    The end of the  real money  and gold auction house announcement enforces this and if Blizzard manages to  implement all the upcoming changes on the next patch and expansion, we have an awesome game for the next years to come.

    Fully disagree. The economic game of D3 was interesting since players traded.

    After patch 1.05, you didn't need to use the AH at all to down Diablo in Inferno.

    D3 WAS unique in hardcore mode solo play and an in game Auction House with limited means and sudden death ...

     

    It was awesome while it lasted, now without a central AH it is just number 15 in a dozen. Boring because 50% of the game was deleted.

    Blizzard simply cut the RMAH because it no longer made enough money. So smart marketing, but is was just a revenue decision.

     

  • SwordianSwordian SingaporePosts: 10Member
    Originally posted by madnessman13
    Dude there are so many games like Diablo 3! have you never played any other game like Diablo? Diablo is an action RPG where looting and character advancement are the main attractions to the game. There are many games like Diablo such as torchlight 1 and 2, Akanerio demon hunters, Marvel heros, kingsroad, path of exile, champions return to arms, ect ect it goes on for awhile.

    I have tried torch light 1 and 2, I didn't like the graphics, combat, animation.. makes me feel bored after a while.

    As for marvel heroes.. besides the itemization is good. the rest is mediocre. skills tree, combat lacks impact..

    Path of exile.. hit box issue, combat is frustrating. skill system is good though.. mix and match, you can have lots varations.

    KingsRoad the pace is too slow. and the map is level by level stage which i didn't like.

    Haven't try champions return to arm and Akanerio demon hunters.

    Despite Diablo 3 tons of issue, i still pretty much enjoy playing Diablo 3.  I couldn't find a APRG as polished as Diablo 3.

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  • PWN_FACEPWN_FACE SeoulPosts: 670Member

    I'm glad you are enjoying it OP. I can go for about 10-15 minutes max now, if I log in. I just get bored because no good lootz. So, I'm looking forward to the update with the new lootz. Hopefully, it will be better. As to your point about combat, I like the berserker. I think Torchlight II has combat that's equally as good in it's own way, but I do like the Diablo world better. However, I could use some more random maps, or some larger open areas like fields with stuff to discover, caves, crypts, etc.

     

    I will pop in again and give D3 another look after the loot update if it's not part of the xpac. I'm not buying that unless there are major changes to D3.

     

    EDIT: And I'd like to see more complex skill trees. Maybe not as out of control as Path of Exile, but certainly a lot more than what they have now.

  • BTrayaLBTrayaL BucharestPosts: 595Member Uncommon

    @OP: It's just you.

    One good example would be Path of Exile.

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  • Ender4Ender4 milwaukee, WIPosts: 2,253Member

    D3 was a heavily flawed game but so are TL2 and PoE, that genre of game just doesn't have a strong release lately. The last good one I played was Titan's Quest which to be honest was better than D2. The only thing that made D2 good was that you could mod it into a better game and now they are saying that was a mistake on their part~.

  • BanaghranBanaghran HuisoPosts: 869Member

    Hmm, confusingly heartwarming to see that months can pass and nothing changes, hey narius :)

    Anyways, the combat argument.

    I see this claim that combat is cool fluid and in general good in this game a lot.

    I dont get it.

    - when i play i find i am very often in a situation where my movement is blocked by something, i am stunned, interrupted and thrown around, outside ofcourse the "OP" builds that avoid these mechanics

    - when i choose a slow weapon i find i do not only attack slowly (which is expected), but i am also rooted in place by some windup/down animations of my character

    - while i can play games on overseas servers @ 200ms ping if i want, d3 servers seem to have the same ping and greater on the same continent (normally 30-40ms in other games), resulting once again in my character being rooted at times for 0.5-1s if i use a skill that requires more communication, like skills that change your position, vault, teleport....

    So where is the great fluid satisfying combat everyone talks about? Or is it a feature reserved for "OP" builds that also have 3 aps ? :)

    Or does the sheer fact that your screen constantly features stuff that flies around count as fluid combat? Rise of the Triad had that too, in EKG mode :)

    Flame on!

    :)

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,134Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ligi

    Sometimes I just start short D3 sessions  because I love the combat on this game. I love the physics, the feeling off destroying objects and reaping countless mobs in a very fast pace.

    been playing it over a year in short sessions and I still love it,  lately been playing  on hardcore and its a blast! 

    The upcoming expansion seems to adress alot of problems pointed by the community so IMO the future seems bright for D3 , just keep the dungeons dark :)

    Do you guys played any game where the combact  feels so great as in D3? I really would like to know your opinion.

    Please leave the RMAH subject out of this thread.

    3 of a kind actually, lol.

     

    Diablo, D2 and D3 all have similar physics and game mechanics. Only differences are gear progression and configuration, classes available and graphics, really.

  • BanaghranBanaghran HuisoPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

    3 of a kind actually, lol.

     

    Diablo, D2 and D3 all have similar physics and game mechanics. Only differences are gear progression and configuration, classes available and graphics, really.

    In the same way a beetle is similar to a ferrari, same four wheels, combustion engine, steering wheel...

    Flame on!

    :)

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by BadSpock
    I have been SO tempted to pick up D3 for my PS3...
    I know me too. I would have to make time where there is none though :(
  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Ligi
    Sometimes I just start short D3 sessions  because I love the combat on this game. I love the physics, the feeling off destroying objects and reaping countless mobs in a very fast pace.been playing it over a year in short sessions and I still love it,  lately been playing  on hardcore and its a blast! The upcoming expansion seems to adress alot of problems pointed by the community so IMO the future seems bright for D3 , just keep the dungeons dark :)Do you guys played any game where the combact  feels so great as in D3? I really would like to know your opinion.Please leave the RMAH subject out of this thread.

    when it comes to ARPG's, i have not played a game with better more fluid combat than D3

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Banaghran
    Hmm, confusingly heartwarming to see that months can pass and nothing changes, hey narius :)

    Anyways, the combat argument.

    I see this claim that combat is cool fluid and in general good in this game a lot.

    I dont get it.

    - when i play i find i am very often in a situation where my movement is blocked by something, i am stunned, interrupted and thrown around, outside ofcourse the "OP" builds that avoid these mechanics

    - when i choose a slow weapon i find i do not only attack slowly (which is expected), but i am also rooted in place by some windup/down animations of my character

    - while i can play games on overseas servers @ 200ms ping if i want, d3 servers seem to have the same ping and greater on the same continent (normally 30-40ms in other games), resulting once again in my character being rooted at times for 0.5-1s if i use a skill that requires more communication, like skills that change your position, vault, teleport....

    So where is the great fluid satisfying combat everyone talks about? Or is it a feature reserved for "OP" builds that also have 3 aps ? :)

    Or does the sheer fact that your screen constantly features stuff that flies around count as fluid combat? Rise of the Triad had that too, in EKG mode :)

    Flame on!

    :)


    name an ARPG with more fluid combat. being stunned is a game mechanic, which has nothing to do with the combat animations being fluid LOL

    it also seems you have internet issues because my ping is a lot better than yours (62-65 on average). that's not an issue with combat being fluid either.

    every other ARPG i have ever played doesn't compare when it comes to combat. there are other games with other features that you can argue that's better but not combat, at least not IMO

  • LlexXLlexX HungaryPosts: 197Member
    Originally posted by Ligi

    Sometimes I just start short D3 sessions  because I love the combat on this game. I love the physics, the feeling off destroying objects and reaping countless mobs in a very fast pace.

    been playing it over a year in short sessions and I still love it,  lately been playing  on hardcore and its a blast! 

    The upcoming expansion seems to adress alot of problems pointed by the community so IMO the future seems bright for D3 , just keep the dungeons dark :)

    Do you guys played any game where the combact  feels so great as in D3? I really would like to know your opinion.

    Please leave the RMAH subject out of this thread.

    D3 is nothing compared how great games were D1 and D2, it's a trash overmarketed attempt to make a crap look like gold, it's too easy, too shallow, too simple compared to it's predecessors.

    Path of Exile is way more challenging and enjoyable than D3 is!

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by LlexX
    Originally posted by Ligi Sometimes I just start short D3 sessions  because I love the combat on this game. I love the physics, the feeling off destroying objects and reaping countless mobs in a very fast pace. been playing it over a year in short sessions and I still love it,  lately been playing  on hardcore and its a blast!  The upcoming expansion seems to adress alot of problems pointed by the community so IMO the future seems bright for D3 , just keep the dungeons dark :) Do you guys played any game where the combact  feels so great as in D3? I really would like to know your opinion. Please leave the RMAH subject out of this thread.
    D3 is nothing compared how great games were D1 and D2, it's a trash overmarketed attempt to make a crap look like gold, it's too easy, too shallow, too simple compared to it's predecessors.

    Path of Exile is way more challenging and enjoyable than D3 is!


    i played POE extensively, i completely disagree. there are less viable builds in POE than there is in D3.

    when you first start playing it and look at that skill jungle they have going on, it seems like its a lot more customization, it really isn't.

    there is only a few viable builds and every class ends up getting a lot of the same things, because its necessary.

    also, the combat is more clunky and the overall game feel and theme is just so unoriginal, its just their version of diablo.

    its a good game considering its free but its not better made or more enjoyable IMO

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by LlexX

    Originally posted by Ligi Sometimes I just start short D3 sessions  because I love the combat on this game. I love the physics, the feeling off destroying objects and reaping countless mobs in a very fast pace. been playing it over a year in short sessions and I still love it,  lately been playing  on hardcore and its a blast!  The upcoming expansion seems to adress alot of problems pointed by the community so IMO the future seems bright for D3 , just keep the dungeons dark :) Do you guys played any game where the combact  feels so great as in D3? I really would like to know your opinion. Please leave the RMAH subject out of this thread.
    D3 is nothing compared how great games were D1 and D2, it's a trash overmarketed attempt to make a crap look like gold, it's too easy, too shallow, too simple compared to it's predecessors.

     

    Path of Exile is way more challenging and enjoyable than D3 is!


     

    i played POE extensively, i completely disagree. there are less viable builds in POE than there is in D3.

    when you first start playing it and look at that skill jungle they have going on, it seems like its a lot more customization, it really isn't.

    there is only a few viable builds and every class ends up getting a lot of the same things, because its necessary.

    also, the combat is more clunky and the overall game feel and theme is just so unoriginal, its just their version of diablo.

    its a good game considering its free but its not better made or more enjoyable IMO

     

    "enjoyable" is subjective. PoE is certainly not more enjoyable than D3 to me. D3 has better (to me) combat, and more (to me) interesting builds.

    I will be playing RoS a lot more than PoE, for sure.

  • kilunkilun Apopka, FLPosts: 709Member Common
    Originally posted by Thomson

    Wow, more than half of those builds are crap and almost non existent past casual play.

    Archon or freeze specs are the only played builds.
    For example here are the top 500 players by herocsore.

    http://www.diabloprogress.com/top_skills/stat_heroscore_500

    See how there are only 11 Skills above 20% usage?
    Meteor is used by 2.20%, Blizards also by 2.20% and Disintegrate by 0.6%
    So try again?
     

    What is heroscore?  What I'm saying here is, one I've never heard of it, nor do I care.  Like WOW, the average player is a casual player, not a hardcore bang my head against the wall raid monster (MP 10 ubers in D3 terminology)  And yes, I have a solo Hardcore Inferno Sorceress.  Using Arcane Torrent as my main damage dealer.

    Is this really any different than any MMO, each class has roughly the same playstyle and 1-3 styles of playing.  Not really much more into it than that one ANY game.

     

    www.ozumgames.com

  • sunshadow21sunshadow21 Omaha, NEPosts: 354Member
    Calling it unique or one of a kind is a stretch. It does what it is designed to do well, and has a lot of polish, but it's far from the best speciman that the arpg genre has seen (when it's remained hugely popular for a full decade, it might have a chance of challenging D2) and its not the best work that Blizzard has put out (again, D2 is a better overall game). Sure, the combat may be the best out there, but without decent supporting systems, the combat system by itself cannot carry the game. The skill system is decent, but has as many weaknesses as it does strengths, and the rest of the game is ordinary at best. In the end, it a good game for those that like that kind of quick, easy to access combat, but it's not unique, particularly special, or overly outstanding as a whole; it's one of many solidly built games, each one with a slightly different focus, that feed off of the legacy of it's predecessors, nothing more, and nothing less.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by sunshadow21
    Calling it unique or one of a kind is a stretch. It does what it is designed to do well, and has a lot of polish, but it's far from the best speciman that the arpg genre has seen (when it's remained hugely popular for a full decade, it might have a chance of challenging D2) and its not the best work that Blizzard has put out (again, D2 is a better overall game). Sure, the combat may be the best out there, but without decent supporting systems, the combat system by itself cannot carry the game. The skill system is decent, but has as many weaknesses as it does strengths, and the rest of the game is ordinary at best. In the end, it a good game for those that like that kind of quick, easy to access combat, but it's not unique, particularly special, or overly outstanding as a whole; it's one of many solidly built games, each one with a slightly different focus, that feed off of the legacy of it's predecessors, nothing more, and nothing less.

    I disagree.

    D2 don't get to its godlike status until the expansion, and D3 is getting there.

    D3 has better combat, and i like the skill system better .. much more open for experimentation, and different builds.

    The AH is a mis-step which is corrected. We will see if the new lengendaries will be as good.

    Lastly, the different game modes and essentially infinite number of random dungeons will be good.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,928Member Uncommon

    Best combat but few classes, poor itemization and very little content.   Definitely not worthy of Blizzard in my opinion.

     

    The expansion improves but doesn't fix all of it's major issues.  It too bad they abandoned D2 when designing D3 and its expansion.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,928Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    D2 don't get to its godlike status until the expansion, and D3 is getting there.

    No it's not.  Even the D3 expansion is just a dumbed down D2.  They've removed almost all choice and complexity from the Diablo franchise.

  • KhinRuniteKhinRunite ManilaPosts: 879Member
    I'm not at all thrilled by Diablo style combat. I prefer real action and combo based combat like Devil May Cry, and Darksiders. Even Starwars: Force Unleashed is better than any isometric clickity clack I've played.
  • AnirethAnireth Posts: 599Member Uncommon

    I played Diablo II, both regular and with Median just a few months before the beta of Diablo III began. I do not play games several times often, but even after all this years, i played the sh*t out of Diablo II. I did play like 10 minutes of Diablo III, and only actually finished the beta later when some friends got access, too. None of us picked it up, despite all of us being huge Diablo II (and arpgs in general) fans.

    One is playing PoE most of the time, not really my kind of game either, though. I enjoyed Torchlight II, certainly better than Diablo III, though it's not as good as Diablo II.

    My issues:

    One thing is the skill system. The runes or whatever is was called was pretty much pointless, and several skills felt way too similar.

    Another thing are the maps. Not only are they not randomly generated, they are rather small and narrow. While they might open up a bit (but didn't feel anywhere close to what DII had) at times, they force you though a chokepoint every now and then. You just run along the single path and hit the next area within two minutes.

    I didn't notice the AH dependency in that short time obviously, but seeing that complaints were already all over the place, it was another reason to not pick it up.

    There whole "community" deal was stupid, too. I managed to play with friends the last 10-20 years when i felt like it. I don't need always-online and  "random" people joining my game. Even worse was their reason behind it. Not only would have it been perfectly possible to seperate LAN games/characters and always-on, it didn't even work. There were private servers while it was still beta, and no MMO ever managed (or will ever do so) to get rid of bots completely. Some of you guys here already mentioned that the economy was ruined by bots.

    So what did they ultimately achieve with their always-on and server/client based infrastructure? They even allow offline play and removed the AH. Both things must have worked out really well.

    If you like it, good for you, it's not easy these days to find a game you really like. If not..well, at least there are quite a lot of games being released or just around the corner at any time.

     

     

    I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • IsilithTehrothIsilithTehroth Unknown, AZPosts: 193Member Uncommon

    The only thing D3 has done which is better than the other isometic dungeon crawling, loot based rpg game is the combat. Everything else is subpar; such as the looting(although it has been reworked for consoles), runeskill system is horrible and really doesn't offer much uniqueness, only 4 players, low amount of mobs on the screen at any give time, bland story line compared to the previous games. I'm not sure why people praise the game when it is a step backwards.

    The graphics and combat are the only better things about the game and they are charging us $40,00 to fix that via the expansion pack.. The only reason the game sold so many was the fact it was made by blizzard with their fanbase and the diablo fans; not to mention all the reviewers who got kickbacks from praising the game.

    MurderHerd

  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    As a massive fan of D1 and D2, I prefer both TL2 and PoE over D3.  It just wasn't very good in my opinion.
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