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[General Article] Diablo 3: Diablo Redux

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,643MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Diablo is a huge franchise for Blizzard Entertainment with ardent fans following the game for almost two decades. In Diablo Redux, we take a look back at the history of the IP. Join us on Memory Lane and then leave your own remembrances in the comments.

Diablo changed things for RPG fans like me. It brought to life a frightening world full of atmosphere and danger. The game's graphics were incredible, its music instantly branded itself on your brain, and best of all, you and your friends could experience it simultaneously. You'd expect this dark vision to have been built inside an abandoned castle or hidden bunker, but in fact, Diablo took form in the sunny clime of the Bay Area peninsula. It was the collective brainchild of three close friends: David Brevik and brothers Erich and Max Schaefer (Fun fact: the Schaefers were born in my home state of New Mexico.) The three formed a company called Condor Inc., within which they employed their distinctive garage-band approach to make games like Justice League Task Force, and NFL Quarterback Club '95 and '96.

Read more of Neilie Johnson's Diablo Redux.

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  • SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News Manager The Land of AZPosts: 16,643MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

    Man...just looking at those piles of gold, the remembrance of my gear spewing all over a dungeon if I died and hysterically searching for a guildy to help me retrieve it after spending all that gold on alternate equipment and...failing. 

    Good times. :D

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  • sketocafesketocafe StoupaPosts: 803Member Uncommon
    I personally find the new battlenet to be simply awful. I spent as much time socializing on battlenet as I did playing starcraft using it, and they ditch it for some kind of ladders only anti-chat "upgrade" because of reasons.
  • jbombardjbombard SapporoPosts: 531Member Uncommon
    The first 2 were great, but with number 3 they basically took the deep skill trees replaced them with superficial toggles, the took the awesome loot formula that was working since day one and replaced with a money grab AH.  They then went on to fix the loot problem on consoles yet are making the PC crowd wait to get it in the expack, just sad.  Also note a great many of those first day sales were free with a WoW 1 year subscription.  It was a game that was acclaimed by the critics yet rejected by much of the loyal diablo fan base that stuck with Blizzard from D1.  They look to be doing a nice expack, but fool me twice and all that, I'll just wait and see this time.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,191Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jbombard
    The first 2 were great, but with number 3 they basically took the deep skill trees replaced them with superficial toggles, the took the awesome loot formula that was working since day one and replaced with a money grab AH.  They then went on to fix the loot problem on consoles yet are making the PC crowd wait to get it in the expack, just sad.  Also note a great many of those first day sales were free with a WoW 1 year subscription.  It was a game that was acclaimed by the critics yet rejected by much of the loyal diablo fan base that stuck with Blizzard from D1.  They look to be doing a nice expack, but fool me twice and all that, I'll just wait and see this time.

    Yep, as will a lot of us.

  • BTrayaLBTrayaL BucharestPosts: 595Member Uncommon
    I have played D1 and D2 for.. oh, god knows how many long hours. Played through D3 once and that was it..

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  • AnirethAnireth Posts: 599Member Uncommon

    I actually played Diablo II again just a year or so before Diablo III was released. But i couldn't even bear to play through the beta until some of my friends got access, too. And none of us bought it, we simply couldn't justify spending €50+ on this when there are games like Torchlight 2 etc. that cost €20 and less. Heck, the 4-pack costs what one copy of D3 costs, and thats without any sale - something D3 will never see.

    I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • PoliticaldadPoliticaldad Port Angeles, WAPosts: 72Member Uncommon

    D1 was great for my self and hometown friends .... until we started 'pranking' each other in the harder areas...

    Picture this .... You and your friends in modem mode happily delving into the beasts lair .... One of you has a full pack and needs to go topside to sell ... pop out a townport and go up , sell your items and then let your buddies know your ready to come back.... One friend says to the third ... "Hey watch this" ... He opens a return portal ... "inside the area with the Boss Mob" and says "Okay, Come on down" ... **snicker, snicker**.... Sploosh ... cash and gear everywhere.... GOOD times  :)  ..... usually followed by swear words and Hours later ... "yay, yay.... this time it's SAFE" ... **snicker,snicker**

     

  • Manic.MinerManic.Miner WroclawPosts: 44Member
    Diablo 1 - great game, Diablo 2 - boring like hell, Diablo 3 - good game, Diablo 3 + Ex will be great game again.
  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,398Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by franko79
    Diablo 1 - great game, Diablo 2 - boring like hell, Diablo 3 - good game, Diablo 3 + Ex will be great game again.

    Interesting you state that about D1 and D2. I have one other friend that has the same opinion, despite it being a generally unpopular opinion. So, that makes me wonder..what was it about D1 that makes it better then D2?

  • MaelzraelMaelzrael Las Cruces, NMPosts: 354Member Uncommon

    *rant*

    THEY BETTER GIVE US PC PLAYERS SOME COOL STUFF TO GO WITH THE EXPANSION FOR SUPPORTING THEM ALL THIS TIME(though most did not) CUZ CONSOLE EXCLUSIVES FOR A PC GAME REALLY PISSES ME OFF. 

    /rant.

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  • RadooRadoo Reggio EmiliaPosts: 176Member Uncommon

    HA!

    I still have my copy with the Hellfire update. This is what got me fascinated and started me on the genre. Diablo 2 and its LoD expansion was a good followup, Diablo 3 was a major let down.

    The original Diablo version brings back many memories of countless hours spent trying to unlock those "never seen before" skill animations (and skill concepts)  for back then :)

  • StrayfeStrayfe Los Angeles, CAPosts: 189Member Uncommon
    Diablo 3 doesn't deserve to be called Diablo.
     
    The relentless simplification of the game killed what was the franchise's main selling point: it's customization and replayability.  No two games of D1 or D2 were ever alike.  In D3, I never really had any incentive or feeling like I wanted to roll another of the same character class.
     
    I'm really starting to feel like Bobby Kotick ripped the heart out of Blizzard.
  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member
    Too bad Blizzard North is no longer. They would have made a great D3.
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  • BraindomeBraindome Posts: 769Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TheHavok
    Originally posted by franko79
    Diablo 1 - great game, Diablo 2 - boring like hell, Diablo 3 - good game, Diablo 3 + Ex will be great game again.

    Interesting you state that about D1 and D2. I have one other friend that has the same opinion, despite it being a generally unpopular opinion. So, that makes me wonder..what was it about D1 that makes it better then D2?

     

    Better more straight forward dungeoneering and progression, more simple and to the point while challenging, perfect balanced gameplay "not easy, not impossible" while being not overly complicated, easy to join games and find people even if they didn't want to be found, lol.

    I also prefer D1 and I respect that they tried to make the core design of D3 similar, yet they forgot the magic as listed above, it is overly complicated and unbalanced.

    Like all older classic games the main thing I would say is perfectly balanced difficulty is what made D1 king. 

  • VicodinTacoVicodinTaco Erie, PAPosts: 735Member Uncommon

    I enjoyed D3 for a bit until I realized how incomplete their loot system was at launch.  As soon as I get one whiff that major game systems are going to get revamped at some point I'm out right away.  

     

    It seems like they are still working on it.  I was surprised to remember that D3 was released in 2012!  It seemed like this summer lol.

     

    Best thing about D3 is I found out about Path of Exile in the process.  About level 30 I started to realize just how much meat is in POE.  The game has loads of substance.

     

     

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ThomasN7
    Too bad Blizzard North is no longer. They would have made a great D3.

    Maybe but the Blizzard North alumni have made nothing that's lasted since D2. People forget how much The rest of Blizzard put into D1 & D2 and how many names in the credits have remained at Blizzard.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jbombard
    Also note a great many of those first day sales were free with a WoW 1 year subscription.  It was a game that was acclaimed by the critics yet rejected by much of the loyal diablo fan base that stuck with Blizzard from D1.

    So.. if "a great many" of the 3.5 million launch day sales were free with WoW subs.. do you have an excuse handy as for why it sold another 10.5 million copies since then? Despite the fact that "much of the loyal Diablo fan base" rejected it?

    Honestly, I don't know why kids on the internet find it so incredibly difficult to accept that just because they didn't like a game, it doesn't mean that nobody liked it.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,931Member Uncommon

    I'd love to know why Blizzard never chose to make a sequel to LOD.  I'm sure they could have come up with some great stuff.

     

    Diablo 3 was one of my biggest disappointments in gaming history. :(

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    I'd love to know why Blizzard never chose to make a sequel to LOD.  I'm sure they could have come up with some great stuff.

     

    Diablo 3 was one of my biggest disappointments in gaming history. :(

    Blizzard never made a sequel to LoD because the story was over. All three prime evils were defeated. They went right into planning for D3. Then Dave Brevik and the Schaefers imploded Blizzard North. Vivendi Universals bad management played a big part in that.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,057Member Uncommon

    In my opinion D3 has great gameplay.

    Yes I think the modularity and lack of unchangable builds adds to fun. Although some permanent choices would be welcomed too. (like for instance socketable skills as they planned to do but scrapped)

    But , it fails in everything else. Making it all together horrible game.

     

    I could only point to first D3 reveal and promised features. Which sounded awesome but most of them were scrapped by the release.

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  • jbombardjbombard SapporoPosts: 531Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Banquetto
    Originally posted by jbombard
    Also note a great many of those first day sales were free with a WoW 1 year subscription.  It was a game that was acclaimed by the critics yet rejected by much of the loyal diablo fan base that stuck with Blizzard from D1.

    So.. if "a great many" of the 3.5 million launch day sales were free with WoW subs.. do you have an excuse handy as for why it sold another 10.5 million copies since then? Despite the fact that "much of the loyal Diablo fan base" rejected it?

    Honestly, I don't know why kids on the internet find it so incredibly difficult to accept that just because they didn't like a game, it doesn't mean that nobody liked it.

    It is fine that people like it.  But if you flash back to when it launched a lot of the people who went out and bought based solely on their love of past Diablo games were upset.  It wasn't a small number of people who were upset.  There is a reason it has such a terrible meta score from user reviews, because obviously many users weren't happy with the game.  What I find just as interesting is when somebody loves a game so much they are willing to ignore the reality around them.  Financially it was successful by selling on the coattails of D2, however the response from people bought the game was terrible, and is one of the lowest rated games on metacritic.  

  • Yoottos'HorgYoottos'Horg Colorado Springs, VAPosts: 287Member

    Diablo III is just...not good. I truthfully almost failed out of High School because of Diablo II. There were just so many addictive qualities to the game; homework couldn't hold a candle to a MF Hell Baal run on my  bowazon (wielding a socketed n00b cannon) and a teleport necklace. Ah, good times...

     

    I'd be hard pressed to think of a "happy" memory in Diablo III.

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  • PWN_FACEPWN_FACE SeoulPosts: 670Member

    I bought D3 because I unquestioningly trusted Blizzard to come out with an amazingly awesome and addictive game (in spite of my disappointment with Cataclysm). But Blizzard has lost that trust. I'm not saying Blizzard is fail or anything. Obviously, they do alright for themselves. I'm just saying that from now on I will be as skeptical of their products as any other company's, maybe a little more so. 

     

    I understand a lot of people like D3 and that's great. But D3 is a departure from D2 -- in an unexpected and, to me, disappointing way. For me, it was a snoozefest after beating once. Then again. And again and again? Same thing? And we all know about the loot and AH, etc. But the direction WoW has taken is another indicator of what Blizzard is now, for better or worse. 

     

    At least I still have fun with StarCraft II, though I haven't played the Heart of the Swarm stuff yet. 

     

    And like another poster said, at least we got Path of Exile and Torchlight II. We are in a good position as gamers, regardless of where Blizzard goes. And they will still have lots of fans.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jbombard
    Originally posted by Banquetto
    Originally posted by jbombard
    Also note a great many of those first day sales were free with a WoW 1 year subscription.  It was a game that was acclaimed by the critics yet rejected by much of the loyal diablo fan base that stuck with Blizzard from D1.

    So.. if "a great many" of the 3.5 million launch day sales were free with WoW subs.. do you have an excuse handy as for why it sold another 10.5 million copies since then? Despite the fact that "much of the loyal Diablo fan base" rejected it?

    Honestly, I don't know why kids on the internet find it so incredibly difficult to accept that just because they didn't like a game, it doesn't mean that nobody liked it.

    It is fine that people like it.  But if you flash back to when it launched a lot of the people who went out and bought based solely on their love of past Diablo games were upset.  It wasn't a small number of people who were upset.  There is a reason it has such a terrible meta score from user reviews, because obviously many users weren't happy with the game.  What I find just as interesting is when somebody loves a game so much they are willing to ignore the reality around them.  Financially it was successful by selling on the coattails of D2, however the response from people bought the game was terrible, and is one of the lowest rated games on metacritic.  

    Metacritic is the most easily abused rating system in existence. Political polls conducted in totalitarian regimes have more validity. Until you can actually define "a lot" in reliable numbers it's meaningless. Also if the game were that bad word of mouth would have killed it in a month. It happened to a few hundred other games. The truth is even with it's flaws the game is a success. An award winning bestseller of epic proportions. Millions of people worldwide liked it enough to keep playing it. Millions will buy Reaper of Souls.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,229Member Uncommon

    I love the diablo series, even #3 - actually I think D3 has the most strategic, tactical and in depth combat system of the series.

    The first diablo was amazing because it was a really atmospheric dungeon crawler, the gameplay was simple enough, but utterly addicting.

    D2 took it to an epic scale and took you on a journey with much much better character building.

    D3 took away the permanent character builds (which I think was a mistake) and ruined the precious loot system (which they will rectify in the xpac), but the way your character interacts with the environment and when fighting enemies is really robust and enjoyable. Shame they ruined the addictive loot drops with the AH.

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