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  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    I vote 'None of the Above'.   A few are adequate...occasionally.  There is no longer any developer whose games I will buy based on their name and reputation.

    Sega used to be that way. Capcom too. Sadly, neither are what they used to be these days.

  • rodingorodingo Posts: 2,346Member Uncommon

    To bad this wasn't a poll so we could have seen a more general consensus instead of digging though teh threads.  However I agree with what appears to be somewhat of the majority and go with Blizzard.  The proof is in the pudding.  Pretty much everything they make is a financial success and at least 3/4 of their games can be real fun.  Not to mention they are one of the few dev studios that actually take their time, for the most part, to make sure their games have a high level of polish before release. 

    I also strongly respect Anet  for them to go against the grain of pretty much every other MMO trend on the market and doing it successfully.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
     If we're talking about "best" I'd simply define it by money profited off of their product(s) and to put it simply Blizzard is the one  I believe holds this position. This juggernaut of a gaming company has produced some of the best games on the market even to this day. Ranging from Hack and Slash, Real-Time Strategy, and MMORPG. While they haven't quite held up to their golden days with their most recent release of Diablo 3. They're still a heavy contender when it comes to their other titles.

    Ah, the popularity contest paradigm.   Was Brittany Spears really the best singer for a number of years?  Or was she the best marketed entertainment commodity?  Of course, the OP opened it to any and all reasonings, so either of those would be argueable stances.   Blizzard does know how to leverage its fan base real well.

     

     

     You can't argue with success like SC, Diablo SC2, Diablo2, Diablo 2 LOD, Warcraft 1-3, and WoW. They're some of the best products of their time and still remain so. While some companies might out do Blizzard in a single genre. You can't deny that Blizzards track record is incredibly good across all of the genres that they're in.

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  • goldtoofgoldtoof leedsPosts: 337Member
    Yeah we all rushed out to buy it because diablo 2 was so great.

    The expansion will not sell anything like as many copies.

    It's a shame though, blizzard look to be back on track, the wow expansion sounds decent, the MOBA appeals to me more than lol and dota, the card game maybe not, looks too much money involved compared to likes of scrolls & ironclad tactics, and non Of these card games have the whole outer meta game thing of card hunter, will probably be a competent mtg style game, but card hunter just blows the genre away.
  • xSagaixSagai Baton Rouge, LAPosts: 94Member

    Kudos on the topic!

     

    CD Projekt RED  is my favorite developer at the moment. Love the Witcher series and really excited for Cyberpunk 2077

     

    Blizzard gets my vote for BEST overall developer due to the polish, lore and yes the games themselves. CCP is a very close second and who I would call the "visionary" of the top tier developers.

  • goldtoofgoldtoof leedsPosts: 337Member
    Tibbs
    Yeah and if you'd have asked me a few years ago I would have put blizzard equal with valve.

    But diablo 3 really pissed me off. And cataclysm to an extent, but I think that was just I was bored if wow by then.
  • goldtoofgoldtoof leedsPosts: 337Member
    Foomer
    I will still by valve games on the name alone.

    God if half life 3 was announced!

    Almost there with a few others like bethseda, arkane, croteam, cdprojekt, blizzard etc..

    But devs change. Once over I would have rushed out to buy the latest games from Id, monolith, bullfrog & mythic. Vary wary on them now.
  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by goldtoof
    Tibbs
    Yeah and if you'd have asked me a few years ago I would have put blizzard equal with valve.

    But diablo 3 really pissed me off. And cataclysm to an extent, but I think that was just I was bored if wow by then.

    Yeah.. I have to agree. I personally bought D3's Collector Edition. In comparison to how good their older games were. Diablo 3 just doesn't feel like it's a quality product.

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  • goldtoofgoldtoof leedsPosts: 337Member
    Also lost vikings was great.
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by goldtoof
    Michael bay films are a huge commercial success, doesn't make them good.


     

    Doesn't make them bad either.

    When the "South Park" guys made "Team America" they were partially lampooning Michael Bay's movies. Afterward one of them said that they actually grew respect for him as they learned exactly how much work, effort, precision knowledge went into making such an action movie.

    Michael Bay makes great, polished glitzy popcorn movies. And for people who like that type of thing there really is no issue.

    If he couldn't make "great, polished, glitzy popcorn movies he wouldn't be as successful as he is.

    People like them, they want to see them therefore they are good.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by goldtoof
    Also lost vikings was great.

     How could I ever forget about Lost Vikings :D

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  • TibernicuspaTibernicuspa Amherest, MAPosts: 1,198Member
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

    CCP.

     

    They're the only MMO company that has managed to grow year after year, and learn from their mistakes.

     

    Blizzard is laughably bad. They never come up with any ideas on their own, just snip ideas from other games and make them casual and usually worse.

    At its core, WoW is a disaster, from a design standpoint.

    And all other companies I used to admire got too big for their britches and ruined their own games and communities. Turbine, Mythic, Verant, all fucking awful. But CCP has managed to stay level.

    You might not like blizzards games but saying they are laughable just makes you out to be a bitter hater. I am not a huge fan of their games but i can accept that their games are developed to a very high standard of quality that most other companies can't get near.

    I'm not denying that their games are polished and that their marketing is masterful. But the actual design of the game, and what they've done with WoW is laughably bad. Its got the most budget and devs of any MMO in history and they're only JUST adding housing. Their PvP and crafting are still terrible, there are no variety in their dungeons.

    They've done nothing but sit on WoW, really.

  • TibernicuspaTibernicuspa Amherest, MAPosts: 1,198Member
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
     

    Haha what? Bethesda gets disqualified for how bad Oblivion was and how poorly they treated PC and PS3 gamers with Skyrim.

    As for Funcom, never have I seen a company lie more in pre release than they did with Age of Conan.  Drunken Brawling?

    What was wrong with Oblivion?  What other games did open-world RPG better at the time?  And treating PC and PS3 gamers poorly with Skyrim?  What are you smoking?

    Oblivion was about a thousand step backwards in quality from Morrowind. The quest compass and level scaling alone made the game fairly unenjoyable.

    As for Skyrim, there was a widespread bug in the PS3 version that made it impossible to play if your save file had like, 20+ hours put onto it. It took a good year for them to bother fixing it.

    And on PC, not only did the game look awful, but the UI was the worst PC UI I've seen in years. None of the graphics features were available unless you tweaked the INI file. The mouse didn't work properly without modding. It was capped at 2 gigs of RAM. This was after promising the PC would get its own special UI.

  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

    CCP.

     

    They're the only MMO company that has managed to grow year after year, and learn from their mistakes.

     

    Blizzard is laughably bad. They never come up with any ideas on their own, just snip ideas from other games and make them casual and usually worse.

    At its core, WoW is a disaster, from a design standpoint.

    And all other companies I used to admire got too big for their britches and ruined their own games and communities. Turbine, Mythic, Verant, all fucking awful. But CCP has managed to stay level.

    You might not like blizzards games but saying they are laughable just makes you out to be a bitter hater. I am not a huge fan of their games but i can accept that their games are developed to a very high standard of quality that most other companies can't get near.

    I'm not denying that their games are polished and that their marketing is masterful. But the actual design of the game, and what they've done with WoW is laughably bad. Its got the most budget and devs of any MMO in history and they're only JUST adding housing. Their PvP and crafting are still terrible, there are no variety in their dungeons.

    They've done nothing but sit on WoW, really.

    You don't find it a tad bit arrogant to sit on a forum telling the most commercially successful game ever made they could of done it better ? And what they have done is....laughably bad.

    Do you make a billion dollars a year on your ideas ? Do you make anything off your ideas ?

  • goldtoofgoldtoof leedsPosts: 337Member
    Oblivion feels too much generic fantasy compared to Morrowind and skyrim.

    Also it was super buggy on pc. All bethseda games are a bit tempremental but we overlook that because they are great in other areas, but oblivion is by far the buggiest. Also forced bloody mouse smoothing.
  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

    CCP.

     

    They're the only MMO company that has managed to grow year after year, and learn from their mistakes.

     

    Blizzard is laughably bad. They never come up with any ideas on their own, just snip ideas from other games and make them casual and usually worse.

    At its core, WoW is a disaster, from a design standpoint.

    And all other companies I used to admire got too big for their britches and ruined their own games and communities. Turbine, Mythic, Verant, all fucking awful. But CCP has managed to stay level.

    You might not like blizzards games but saying they are laughable just makes you out to be a bitter hater. I am not a huge fan of their games but i can accept that their games are developed to a very high standard of quality that most other companies can't get near.

    I'm not denying that their games are polished and that their marketing is masterful. But the actual design of the game, and what they've done with WoW is laughably bad. Its got the most budget and devs of any MMO in history and they're only JUST adding housing. Their PvP and crafting are still terrible, there are no variety in their dungeons.

    They've done nothing but sit on WoW, really.

     Which is another concern I believe that Blizzard has hit their peak in quality. I don't believe they are capable of the quality of standards that they use to aim for. At the same time who else in the gaming industry can say that they're still making billions off of a product that was released 10 years ago.

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,418Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
     If we're talking about "best" I'd simply define it by money profited off of their product(s) and to put it simply Blizzard is the one  I believe holds this position. This juggernaut of a gaming company has produced some of the best games on the market even to this day. Ranging from Hack and Slash, Real-Time Strategy, and MMORPG. While they haven't quite held up to their golden days with their most recent release of Diablo 3. They're still a heavy contender when it comes to their other titles.

    Ah, the popularity contest paradigm.   Was Brittany Spears really the best singer for a number of years?  Or was she the best marketed entertainment commodity?  Of course, the OP opened it to any and all reasonings, so either of those would be argueable stances.   Blizzard does know how to leverage its fan base real well.

     

     

     You can't argue with success like SC, Diablo SC2, Diablo2, Diablo 2 LOD, Warcraft 1-3, and WoW. They're some of the best products of their time and still remain so. While some companies might out do Blizzard in a single genre. You can't deny that Blizzards track record is incredibly good across all of the genres that they're in.

    You can disagree,of course, but your argument is still pretty good...;)   My view is probably skewed by not particularly liking any of their games.  They definitely seem to be on a downward spiral now.   They could poot forth any turd of a game, and still sell millions.   But I guess that would back up your contentions too. 

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

    CCP.

     

    They're the only MMO company that has managed to grow year after year, and learn from their mistakes.

     

    Blizzard is laughably bad. They never come up with any ideas on their own, just snip ideas from other games and make them casual and usually worse.

    At its core, WoW is a disaster, from a design standpoint.

    And all other companies I used to admire got too big for their britches and ruined their own games and communities. Turbine, Mythic, Verant, all fucking awful. But CCP has managed to stay level.

    You might not like blizzards games but saying they are laughable just makes you out to be a bitter hater. I am not a huge fan of their games but i can accept that their games are developed to a very high standard of quality that most other companies can't get near.

    I'm not denying that their games are polished and that their marketing is masterful. But the actual design of the game, and what they've done with WoW is laughably bad. Its got the most budget and devs of any MMO in history and they're only JUST adding housing. Their PvP and crafting are still terrible, there are no variety in their dungeons.

    They've done nothing but sit on WoW, really.

    You don't find it a tad bit arrogant to sit on a forum telling the most commercially successful game ever made they could of done it better ? And what they have done is....laughably bad.

    Do you make a billion dollars a year on your ideas ? Do you make anything off your ideas ?

     It's not arrogant to think what's true. Lets face it. World of Warcraft hasn't improved much since its inception.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
     If we're talking about "best" I'd simply define it by money profited off of their product(s) and to put it simply Blizzard is the one  I believe holds this position. This juggernaut of a gaming company has produced some of the best games on the market even to this day. Ranging from Hack and Slash, Real-Time Strategy, and MMORPG. While they haven't quite held up to their golden days with their most recent release of Diablo 3. They're still a heavy contender when it comes to their other titles.

    Ah, the popularity contest paradigm.   Was Brittany Spears really the best singer for a number of years?  Or was she the best marketed entertainment commodity?  Of course, the OP opened it to any and all reasonings, so either of those would be argueable stances.   Blizzard does know how to leverage its fan base real well.

     

     

     You can't argue with success like SC, Diablo SC2, Diablo2, Diablo 2 LOD, Warcraft 1-3, and WoW. They're some of the best products of their time and still remain so. While some companies might out do Blizzard in a single genre. You can't deny that Blizzards track record is incredibly good across all of the genres that they're in.

    You can disagree,of course, but your argument is still pretty good...;)   My view is probably skewed by not particularly liking any of their games.  They definitely seem to be on a downward spiral now.   They could poot forth any turd of a game, and still sell millions.   But I guess that would back up your contentions too. 

     They can now (with Diablo 3 as a prime example). However, 10-15 years ago they weren't as much as a juggernaut as they are today. So 10-15 years ago them saying that they're aiming for perfection held true. Today that's a bold faced lie coming from their company.

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  • AsayagaAsayaga LeerdamPosts: 14Member

    I'm gonna throw in CIG.

    Why? They're making a game for gamers by gamers in a way that's never been done in the entire history of gaming.

    Their guts alone is enough for my nr 1 spot atm

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    I feel that gamers are unable to fairly assess publishers without the fog of Brand Loyalty.

    Many believe that they are (unbiased, that is). Until you can point out their consistent posting history as a fanboy or hater.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite

    I feel that gamers are unable to fairly assess publishers without the fog of Brand Loyalty.

    Many believe that they are (unbiased, that is). Until you can point out their consistent posting history as a fanboy or hater.

     So what you're saying. Is rather than giving your opinion on what you think is the "best" developer you'd much rather criticize everyone for being to "incompetent" or "fanboyish" in their ability to think what they believe is the "best" developer? Why are you in this thread again?

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  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,925Member Uncommon

    Well can't really say it being like "Hands down nothing can touch them" but I'd say Trion is a great developer providing  so much for their games and putting in so much effort . Rather then trying to 'pretend' of being original and  changing things like GW2 did, they went "it exists because people like it" and used it and built upon it, building a real strong class system and adding even new elements that were entertaining and added to the game without feeling tacked on, and felt 'new and fresh' despite the idea not really being that much of a varient. Says a lot when a game that took the everquest model  (Yes I know most call it wow model, but lets stop giving wow false credit even if it was a great game at one point) and ended up adding elements to it that the game it likely recieved much inspiration from (Wow) took that element (Chronicals) and added their own variety (Scenario) as a bigger part to the game.

     

    Otherwise my other choice would be Square Enix. Redoing a game majorly that flopped heavily, and doing it so well WITH the expectation it likely wouldn't make that crazy profits shows just how dedicated they are to redeeming themselves and making a good product and upholding their image, the new FF14 being so much better and an actual great game.

     

    In the end, I can't really say hands down any company stands above and beyond. They all have their flaws. i'm more about the game over the developer.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite

    I feel that gamers are unable to fairly assess publishers without the fog of Brand Loyalty.

    Many believe that they are (unbiased, that is). Until you can point out their consistent posting history as a fanboy or hater.

    Maybe just this once you could actually answer an OP and share with us who you really like as a developer?

    I'll go first  even. image

    CCP is my personal favorite.  They've stuck true to their original vision over the years and manage to deliver change to the game without ever really adversely changing the core game play.

    Sure, they've had missteps, but have backed off on bad decisions and shown a willingness to admit that sometimes they are wrong, even if it is their game.

    In fact, they seem to understand it really isn't just their game, it belongs to the players just as much and many times they do things that make great sense from a player perspective, yet when it's time to tell the player base, they're strong enough to do so.

    Are they perfect? Heck no, far from it, but I wish I could point out many other developers who stuck true to their core player base (no, not Blizzard, they sold out long ago).

    ANET seems to be solid as well, even if I don't care for their game design.

     

     

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  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Dorval, QCPosts: 871Member Uncommon
    Long term Turbine failed me but when LOTRO was p2p (prior to Skirmishes) they made a beautiful game. After them I would have to say I trust Blizzard to give me a nice looking game that may not be fantastic with content but enough to keep me occupied.
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