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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Acebets70
    I agree with OP, im shocked at the majority of people here saying "just accept these crappy games now"  lol WHAT????  

    I'm surprised you don't get that we all like different things. Who are you to decide what is crap?

    The massive success of the Hearthstone beta threads should tell you all you need to know with regards to those who think everyone is of the opinion that "it's over".

    And I don't think anyone is saying that we should be playing crappy games. I think people are saying there are tons of games out there. Go play the fun ones (not the funyuns). If you can't find a fun game in this world, then maybe you're not a gamer.

  • FinalFikusFinalFikus Chicago, ILPosts: 906Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by NorseGod
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by jpnz

    I don't know about you,  I have never found myself "tricked" into having fun... I have it or I don't there's little in between. We're not stuck with anything, you individually may be, yet most of us don't feel forced to play games we don't like or compelled to.

    How do you know that you are "most"?

    Most people don't stay around for more than 30 days before hopping to the next game. Why is that? Why has this become such a big deal that game devs refer to these people as "content locust"?

    Who's right here? You or the game companies that see the data?

    Wow those are some pretty big claims you're making.

    Do you have something to support your claim that most people don't stay in a game (we're talking about mmos here right?) for more than 30 days? You know, you should show some proof of that just to retain credibility, but even if you did it doesn't matter, because revenue and growth trends show that to be irrelevant to whatever point you're trying to make. However, I think you're wrong because growth and revenue keeps increasing annually. People are playing more.

    Wait, who's right with what? You didn't ask a question. You're making a statement that isn't answering a question in support of a premise you haven't clearly defined or argued.

    I'll tell you why I think he speaks for a majority of gamers because game revenues, especially online game revenues keep increasing year to year. The people happier with gaming are playing and paying and the number of people playing are increasing. This report here: http://www.newzoo.com/trend-reports/mmo-trend-report/ supports my claim and his.

    Do you have any facts at all to support what you claim or are you basing it all, like most of the disgruntled here, on your wishes. You wish that what you feel is true so you keep saying it and then start believing it to be truth. Sorry but facts don't support you. Back in the day, that same old school day you're all pining for, gamers had to support their claims with facts or they were called on the carpet. You want oldschool? Here it is. Put up some facts.

     

    The article says the number of games is outpacing growth of consumers. Your link doesn't back up anything.

    "If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"

  • iridescenceiridescence Elliot Lake, ONPosts: 1,486Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Acebets70
    I agree with OP, im shocked at the majority of people here saying "just accept these crappy games now"  lol WHAT????  

    I'm surprised you don't get that we all like different things. Who are you to decide what is crap?

    The massive success of the Hearthstone beta threads should tell you all you need to know with regards to those who think everyone is of the opinion that "it's over".

    And I don't think anyone is saying that we should be playing crappy games. I think people are saying there are tons of games out there. Go play the fun ones (not the funyuns). If you can't find a fun game in this world, then maybe you're not a gamer.

    Yeah, this is the flaw in the OP's argument. I'm also frustrated with "dumbed down" gameplay in many new games but I don't assume, like the OP, that the people who  like these games are drooling idiots, just that they have different tastes than I do. If you think playing complex games means you are automatically smarter, all you have to do is download the EVE free trial and read the Jita chat for 5 minutes on an average night to disprove that theory :)

     I also know for a fact that many professional people who are far smarter than I am play FarmVille and similar games on a regular basis which I consider completely brain dead in terms of gameplay .

     HearthStone is a perfect example. I can't for the life of me figure out why a reskinned version of Magic:The Gathering with tacky Blizzard art is the latest rage, I have no interest in playing it at all, but if you're having fun with it, knock yourself out.

    Insulting people for liking different things is a sign of immaturity, not intelligence.

     

     

  • Ender4Ender4 milwaukee, WIPosts: 2,253Member

    Hearthstone isn't a MMORPG so I'm confused how it matters in this discussion in any way?

  • MMOManiacsMMOManiacs New York, NYPosts: 189Member

    The last time I checked, many of those "old school MMOs" are still up and running, with healthy communities to boot....why are u searching if those games still exist?

    Go play them....

  • sanshi44sanshi44 BrisbanePosts: 1,088Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jpnz

    So another 'Back in the old days MMO' rants?

    Sorry but that gameplay is now niche.

    Sometimes what you like is niche and that means the market might not cater to what you want.

    How do you know it is niche 90% of the MMO population has come when WoW came out due to mass advertising most dont even know they were MMOs before WoW and think its the first one to come out. so majority of player have never tried a old school type MMO to even know if they like it or not all they ever known are the current day MMOs. So i ask are they realy a niche game or a game type that hasnt been discovered by many.

    As for OP im pritty much the same maybe im gettong too old but i realy hope not considering im only 22 atm :( and realy do miss those meaningful games that provided some challenges and the communitys and so on :( :( :(

  • BurntvetBurntvet Baltimore, MDPosts: 2,941Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by deniromonk

    The last time I checked, many of those "old school MMOs" are still up and running, with healthy communities to boot....why are u searching if those games still exist?

    Go play them....

    Can't play original SWG on a supported server, or original UO, or original WoW for that matter.

    Some of the games from the "old days" are gone, the rest bear almost no resemblance to the games they originally were: the companies monkeyed around with the gameplay too much, so those games are gone for all intents and purposes, too. Even Eve is falling into that category as well.

    Go play them? From the time when they were actually good? Cant.

  • KissThaRingKissThaRing Sacramento, CAPosts: 71Member
    Originally posted by deniromonk

    The last time I checked, many of those "old school MMOs" are still up and running, with healthy communities to boot....why are u searching if those games still exist?

    Go play them....

    OH WoW, SWG, CoH.. well, the ones I liked atleast are gone.

    I enjoy undercutting people in the market place - it's the only PvP a crafter gets.

  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
         I have pretty much given up hope that I'll find another MMORPG that resembles and reminds me of paper and dice AD&D.. I loved EQ for all those reasons.. The management of your character that took in account for weight encumbrance, food and drink, FIZZLES, mana restoration.. etc etc..  I occasionally play GW2, but not as a RPG, but just a cheap shooting arcade game.. Same reason why I play Diablo 3..  As long as devs and producers keep chasing the pipe dream of being the next World of Warcraft, we'll continue to see more failed attempts, then a serious game designed for a smaller market.. 
  • vort3xvort3x Jebem vam materPosts: 129Member
    Originally posted by ThomasN7
    Unless Blizzard comes up with something amazing in their next mmo I think the mmo genre is pretty much done for if they keep on making the same type of mmos. Games like Star Citizen, Destiny, Shroud of the Avatar  and The Division which are all non mmos that will be a totally superior gaming experience compared to what we have now.

    Blizzard will NOT come up with something amazing... and it's not because they aren't capable of doing it. It's because they're going for the big masses. Which means a stupified game with a whole lot of question and exclamation makrs, pointers, hand-holding mechanics... That's how games are made today, OP mentioned it, and a few people above me mentioned it too. And we all know Blizzard likes the moneyz... And they're going for the moneyz, why would they give a fuck about a few of us that are unhappy with current direction of MMORPGs... And let's all face it, it's not only MMORPGS that went down the toilet of stupidity.

    Look at where BioWare went from Bladur's Gate II and how Dragon Age II turned out? Stupified.

    And actually also where Bethesda went from Morrowind to Skyrim when it comes to character mechanics and depth of character developement. Fuck action RPGs, seriously. Fuck quest pointers. Fuck health, magica and stamina choice when i level up. And I'm not saying Skyrim is a bad game, it was enjoyable, but right now I'm replaying Morrowind and i can see just how much depth it has and how much more the game allows me to mold my character. To really ROLE-PLAY IT! 

    Anyway back to on-topic. I don't really expect anyone to make a real hard, unforgiving adult MMORPG anymore. The current state of gaming industry just doesn't allow that.

    I am curious about Elder Scrolls online, but i think that's just because I wanna see just how much they can fuck the Elder Scrolls PI up by making it even more shallow and straight forward, just to make sure any fucking ape out there that could buy the game will understand it and know how to play it.

    After all we wouldn't want stupid illiterate people to feel inferior, now would we? :S

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,762Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by sanshi44
    Originally posted by jpnz

    So another 'Back in the old days MMO' rants?

    Sorry but that gameplay is now niche.

    Sometimes what you like is niche and that means the market might not cater to what you want.

    How do you know it is niche 90% of the MMO population has come when WoW came out due to mass advertising most dont even know they were MMOs before WoW and think its the first one to come out. so majority of player have never tried a old school type MMO to even know if they like it or not all they ever known are the current day MMOs. So i ask are they realy a niche game or a game type that hasnt been discovered by many.

    As for OP im pritty much the same maybe im gettong too old but i realy hope not considering im only 22 atm :( and realy do miss those meaningful games that provided some challenges and the communitys and so on :( :( :(

    Its "niche" gameplay that the majority on this site would like to see more of and I see no reason why this site would be different from any other gaming website.

    We don't want the old gameplay lock stock and barrel. But we do want a return to MMOs that emphasise grouping, social and sandbox elements. Rather than soloing, pay to win and gambling lockboxes.

     

  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,144Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tristanryan

    Im honestly tired.

    Tired of trying.

    Tired of searching.

    Tired of gimmicks and false advertisement.

    Tired of rude communities.

    Tired of lazy and/or scamming developers. (usually both)

     

    Maybe im just getting old. What happened to the addictiveness, the spark, the magic, the difficulty and the competition. Every single game is the exact same bullshit. They are all one month wonders with zero longevity designed for someone with the intelligence of a gnat overpopulated with people that think they are genious. What the hell happened? I remember 10-12 years ago just day dreaming on what was ahead and what this genre would become. I remember wondering how amazed we would all be. I remember wondering about how amazing the virtual worlds would be that we would all explore. I remember real difficulty and the penalties if you died or failed. The comraderie and teamwork. I remember real communities. Real friendships and relationships that carried over off the screen. Now its just a huge cesspool no matter what game you enter its total rudeness and hate.

    Hmm... guess you have same problems with everything in your live. If you put it that way ... all time spent with your kids was useless, spend a lot of money, ...

    We should be treated with more respect. We spend thousands and thousands of dollars on games and keeping our systems up to spec to stay on top and its all just full of regret now. Total waste of time and money. Tell me a game thats worth the time and i will explain how ive played it and the problems it has.

    Have you enjoyed THEN? if yes about what waste of time and money are you talking??? Been in fitness ever, enjoyed and improved your health? Good, at THAT time was not waste at all and guess having better health from THAT time worked well even for older age.

    I work 40-60 hours per week, i take very, very good care of my family but i still have the night. I mostly drink beer, read forums and wonder what the fuck happened.

    Sorry for the rant.

    Wondering when you will start thinking same way about your family, friends, ...

    Stop living in PAST or FUTURE, start enjoying your life NOW, at time WHEN something is happening. If you are unable, do not blame games or family or friends ....

  • jesadjesad Posts: 753Member Uncommon

    I normally don't do this but I wanted to post the blog that this string inspired.

    I always get my inspiration from the stuff said in the forums, and this particular string acted as a huge muse for me last night.

    I hope that it makes some kind of sense to what you are all feeling.

    Becoming an O.G.

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  • page975page975 Scranton, PAPosts: 312Member
    Originally posted by vort3x
    Originally posted by ThomasN7
    Unless Blizzard comes up with something amazing in their next mmo I think the mmo genre is pretty much done for if they keep on making the same type of mmos. Games like Star Citizen, Destiny, Shroud of the Avatar  and The Division which are all non mmos that will be a totally superior gaming experience compared to what we have now.

    Blizzard will NOT come up with something amazing... and it's not because they aren't capable of doing it. It's because they're going for the big masses. Which means a stupified game with a whole lot of question and exclamation makrs, pointers, hand-holding mechanics... That's how games are made today, OP mentioned it, and a few people above me mentioned it too. And we all know Blizzard likes the moneyz... And they're going for the moneyz, why would they give a fuck about a few of us that are unhappy with current direction of MMORPGs... And let's all face it, it's not only MMORPGS that went down the toilet of stupidity.

    Look at where BioWare went from Bladur's Gate II and how Dragon Age II turned out? Stupified.

    And actually also where Bethesda went from Morrowind to Skyrim when it comes to character mechanics and depth of character developement. Fuck action RPGs, seriously. Fuck quest pointers. Fuck health, magica and stamina choice when i level up. And I'm not saying Skyrim is a bad game, it was enjoyable, but right now I'm replaying Morrowind and i can see just how much depth it has and how much more the game allows me to mold my character. To really ROLE-PLAY IT! 

    Anyway back to on-topic. I don't really expect anyone to make a real hard, unforgiving adult MMORPG anymore. The current state of gaming industry just doesn't allow that.

    I am curious about Elder Scrolls online, but i think that's just because I wanna see just how much they can fuck the Elder Scrolls PI up by making it even more shallow and straight forward, just to make sure any fucking ape out there that could buy the game will understand it and know how to play it.

    After all we wouldn't want stupid illiterate people to feel inferior, now would we? :S

    Vort3X is right,

    +1

     

    I too think its over.

  • AdamaiAdamai derbyPosts: 469Member
    Ops right... All games are identicle.. either same machanics and systems or packed with horrible little know it all good for nothing children. I honestly cant say ive played an amazeing game though eve came close until it was invaded by wow players now thats shit too.
  • donpopukidonpopuki Dearborn, MIPosts: 591Member

    The best thing any of these old school reminiscers can do is go play the old games. Sure the games aren't what they used to be granted but they are closer to what they want than anything else out there. [mod edit]

    I enjoy the old, the current  and hopefully the new. EQN seems to be going in a new and unique direction. The Wow clone days are numbered but keep in mind it's not going to revert back to 1999.

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by Acebets70
    I agree with OP, im shocked at the majority of people here saying "just accept these crappy games now"  lol WHAT????  

    Not sure what makes you or the OP able to judge what is "crap" and what is not. This is actually dangerously close to the way various zealots think all over our world... "we know better than you what is good for you, and I must tell you how to behave properly!".

     

    Originally posted by Vermillion_Raventhal
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    [mod edit]

     

    [mod edit]

    Looks like Donpopuki struck a nerve here... image

    Truth often hurts... a bit... or more.

     

    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Don't drink too much while consuming your self-pity cookies.

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    My computer is better than yours.

  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,556Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    [mod edit]

    So people that want something that is not a linear no freedom themepark don't have a legit complaint?  It has nothing to do with reliving anything, many of us prefer the type of MMO that has not been made for the last 9 years (other than Darkfall) but looks to be in developement...thankfully.  Many of us that want a virtual world with risk vs reward and consequences for our actions do have hope coming in the next two years from smaller developers.  Possibly one of these games will take some of us away from this forum.  Keep your fingers crossed!

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member

    Another Doom and Gloom thread...

    The truth is the MMO genre is moving forward with or without you.  Sure, there are LOTS of things I would love to see in modern MMOs that existed in old MMOs, some of which are important to me, but that's not going to happen.  To all the people out there claiming it's over and there is nothing to play, you can still play almost every popular old school MMO and many have a fairly thriving community (for instance I heard a rumor that the population of EQ is about on the level of EQ2's) so the question is why aren't you still playing those?

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  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon

    I like how you guys are saying the genre is over... Ok, so maybe for the 300 SAME people that post here everyday, it may be over. Honestly, most of you seem to play to much to begin with... It may benefit you for the "genre" to be over. 

    As for me? I'm still having fun. 

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by Praetalus

    I like how you guys are saying the genre is over... Ok, so maybe for the 300 SAME people that post here everyday, it may be over. Honestly, most of you seem to play to much to begin with... It may benefit you for the "genre" to be over. 

    As for me? I'm still having fun. 

    Indeed.

    MMOs at the times of UO, AC1 and EQ? Less than 1 million players.

    Today? More like 50 million players.

    But yeah, it's over... whatever you say, heh ;-)

    My computer is better than yours.

  • UserUndeletedUserUndeleted SomewherePosts: 121Member

    I agree that the MMO(RPG) genre is in a dismal state, but surely you have to have a broader interest in gaming. I'm looking forward to so many games, half of them are actual MMORPGs, that I don't know where i'll find the time to play them all.

     

    The Repopulation

    Divergence

    Camelot Unchained

    Elite Dangerous

    Star Citizen

    The Long Dark (one of the most interesting games to come along in years IMO)

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by CobraMKIII

    I agree that the MMO(RPG) genre is in a dismal state...

    ... with more players than it ever had. Yep, dismal seems to be the proper word to describe it.

    (/sarcasm)

    My computer is better than yours.

  • BossalinieBossalinie Hattiesburg, MSPosts: 683Member Uncommon
    For a minute, I thought I was reading a thread on a Republican party site...
  • LoverNoFighterLoverNoFighter Star CItyPosts: 294Member
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by jesad
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    If all 12 of you quit what will the other 48 million of us do ?

    Continue to waste your time and money until you become us?

    The day I decide games are a waste of time and or money...I wont be sitting around on a forum complaining about it.

    Forums > most games tbh.

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