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  • Psion33Psion33 La Crosse, WIPosts: 248Member

    OP: Might I suggest something? I just had a brainstorm reading this thread. I'd rather not make a new thread over it cause well, I simply don't know if it's the case. But something we should definitely consider is:

     

    Is the backlash against gold buyers inherently from F2Pers? I mean as in a majority. As I cross reference and double check members on this thread a good vast majority of them are F2Pers pushing F2P.

     

    Something to munch on I would think? :)

  • Siris23Siris23 Minneapolis, MNPosts: 217Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.

     

    Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it...

    And yet in video game land, its par for the course.

    A better analogy would be "I like watching the most popular movies, but I don't have the time to stand in line, so I pay my little brother to stand in line fro me, then I pay him for the ticket and enjoy the movie"

    I have yet to play any game, MMO or otherwise, where grinding in game currency was part of it's entertainment value.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.

     

    Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it...

    And yet in video game land, its par for the course.

    "avoiding content" and "convenience" are the two arguments you guys like rally against. It's amusing. I say it's amusing because you either refuse to understand or categorically reject any reason other than those as those allow you the moral high ground. You waggle your fingers at those reasons as if they were the only reason anyone spends money in an MMO, despite many saying otherwise. 

    Why is that? 

     

    But to get back on point.... what you're saying is that his problem isn't that he's a bad movie watcher, he just sucks at choosing movies.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon

    There is no backlash against gold buying, it is been embraced by the NA and global game communities as evidence by the increasing rising number of people supporting those games and the increasing revenue of that market.

    It is just this community, insulated in their bubble of self-induced isolation, that thinks there is a backlash.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • BlizzardShillBlizzardShill BlizzardshillvillePosts: 37Member

    Everyone has a certain tolerance to grinding.  Some people enjoy the grind as it gives them something to do while listening to music or whatever.  Others want to play the game and minimize the time they spend on repetitive tasks that they do not consider fun.

     

    Like several people mentioned before me, a mere ten minutes working our regular jobs would bring in enough money to buy in-game currency that would take hours to grind.  From this perspective, it's simply more efficient to work and then use some of the money to buy gold.

     

    The follow-up argument is 'well, why are you paying for someone else to play the game? do you not like it?'  But this assessment is flawed because an MMO typically consists of more activities than just grinding for currency.  The gold buyer may not like grinding, but may love the activities that grinding benefits (read: most all of them, given how important gear is in many games).

     

    That is the reason why most buy gold.  Its impact on MMO economies is an entirely separate discussion, and I'll avoid going into that here.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
     

     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.

    I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.

    Yeh, and by that measure, EQ was a horrible game.

    I wanted to skip 99% of the game including down-time, slow travel, camping in a queue, and death penalty.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Psion33

    OP: Might I suggest something? I just had a brainstorm reading this thread. I'd rather not make a new thread over it cause well, I simply don't know if it's the case. But something we should definitely consider is:

     

    Is the backlash against gold buyers inherently from F2Pers? I mean as in a majority. As I cross reference and double check members on this thread a good vast majority of them are F2Pers pushing F2P.

     

    Something to munch on I would think? :)

    Now when you consider there are a dozen or so sub games and about 100 or so F2P games, what you've got there sir is a rather meaningless piece of data. 

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Foomerang   Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by Silverchild Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.   Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it... And yet in video game land, its par for the course.
     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.

    I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.



    Thats cool. Works great with games that have a lot of options already built in for how you can play the game. Its a bit different when you make a game with only one way to progress, and it is intentionally bad so that it encourages you to pay to skip it.


  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

    Originally posted by Foomerang  

    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.   Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it... And yet in video game land, its par for the course.
     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.

     

    I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.


    Thats cool. Works great with games that have a lot of options already built in for how you can play the game. Its a bit different when you make a game with only one way to progress, and it is intentionally bad so that it encourages you to pay to skip it.

     

     

     Naw.  If there is only one thing to do in the game and I like doing it, no problem.  If I don't like doing it I won't play it.

    Remember games are my entertainment, if there isn't anything the game that is entertaining, it isn't doing the job.

    There might be something entertaining 50 hours later, but again it's my entertainment, that means it should have something I feel is entertaining every second I'm playing it.  So I'll never see the good part 50 hours later, and really wouldn't want to.  That much boringness would make me gauge my eyes out.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
     

     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.

    I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.

    Yeh, and by that measure, EQ was a horrible game.

    I wanted to skip 99% of the game including down-time, slow travel, camping in a queue, and death penalty.

    What you have left would probably have been a decent hack-n-slash MMO. 

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Foomerang   Originally posted by VengeSunsoar Originally posted by Foomerang   Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by Silverchild Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.   Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it... And yet in video game land, its par for the course.
     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.   I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.
    Thats cool. Works great with games that have a lot of options already built in for how you can play the game. Its a bit different when you make a game with only one way to progress, and it is intentionally bad so that it encourages you to pay to skip it.    
     Naw.  If there is only one thing to do in the game and I like doing it, no problem.  If I don't like doing it I won't play it.

    Remember games are my entertainment, if there isn't anything the game that is entertaining, it isn't doing the job.

    There might be something entertaining 50 hours later, but again it's my entertainment, that means it should have something I feel is entertaining every second I'm playing it.  So I'll never see the good part 50 hours later, and really wouldn't want to.  That much boringness would make me gauge my eyes out.



    i agree for the most part.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

    Originally posted by Foomerang  

    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.   Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it... And yet in video game land, its par for the course.
     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.

    I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.


    Thats cool. Works great with games that have a lot of options already built in for how you can play the game. Its a bit different when you make a game with only one way to progress, and it is intentionally bad so that it encourages you to pay to skip it.

     Naw.  If there is only one thing to do in the game and I like doing it, no problem.  If I don't like doing it I won't play it.

    Remember games are my entertainment, if there isn't anything the game that is entertaining, it isn't doing the job.

    There might be something entertaining 50 hours later, but again it's my entertainment, that means it should have something I feel is entertaining every second I'm playing it.  So I'll never see the good part 50 hours later, and really wouldn't want to.  That much boringness would make me gauge my eyes out.

    I gauged my eye out once. Went to the doctor and he asked me what I was doing with a micrometer so close to my face. 

    I had no answer. image

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
     

     I've never played a good game then, MMO or spg.  There is always something in them I get bored with and want to skip so I can continue to do the things I do enjoy.  That must be why I've never actually finished a video game in my life.  They must all be bad.

    I'm resigned to the fact that a game will never be created just for me, nuts.  I will continue to play a game if I enjoy the majority of it... and continue to skip the parts that bore me.

    Yeh, and by that measure, EQ was a horrible game.

    I wanted to skip 99% of the game including down-time, slow travel, camping in a queue, and death penalty.

    What you have left would probably have been a decent hack-n-slash MMO. 

    yeh .. that would be nice.

     

  • MosenwrathMosenwrath East Elmhurst, NYPosts: 2Member

    Buy gold & lose more than RL cash!

    I personally don't buy currency nor do I recommend anyone to buy from goldfarmers or any sites selling gold for whatever mmo you currently play. They will rob you of your account or worse more real life $$. Besides look at any good game out there plagued with gold spammers wasting chat space with constant bs to buy their cr@p. Bottom line just add them to your in game ignore list and work for whatever money you need in the long run you'll be glad you did.

    PT Barnum once said "There's a sucker born every minute" .. don't be one of them =)

  • KrimzinKrimzin Fort Worth, TXPosts: 545Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by qombi
    Originally posted by Krimzin   Originally posted by Aori Originally posted by Krimzin I can only speak from my own opinion. People who buy gold are typically people who have disposable income. Someone who has disposable income typically has a good job so it limits the time they can play. They still want to keep up but don't have the time to farm gold and raid. So they buy gold to save time. I get it and could care less if they do. They work for their money and should be able to spend it how they like. I would rather someone work and buy gold then to be unemployed and have massive amounts of gold. Gold Buyer > Deadbeat any day of the week. Again.. Just my opinion.
    Yes it is your opinion and it isn't correct. I've had contact with many people who squandered their real cash for money. Some failed to pay rent, some had to use savings, others had to "pawn" their account. I've even known people who were suits that got landed in to trouble from dumping 10s of thousands of dollars in virtual goods.   Many people don't have the money to spend on it but like what it does for them.
      First off, How can my opinion be incorrect? Its my opinion. Get over yourself. As to my point. It doesn't matter if someone has a good job or not, poor judgment is poor judgment. If you make 10k a month and spend 9k on stupid shit, then your a fool. If you spend $20 here and there to buy gold, who cares. I spend $20 at lunch most days because I refuse to eat the garbage at most fast food places. Does that mean I have poor judgment.. no, it means that I watch what I eat and don't mind paying for it. What you are posting is a matter of semantics. You think your opinion is the only one that's right and everyone else is wrong.
    I don't think people despise you for your money. Good for you. They probably despise your self entitled attitude, bragging, and all around conceded attitude. Truth is there are plenty people out there probably smarter than you and not as smart as you. Having money usually doesn't mean you are smart, it means you kiss butt well. Money doesn't make you are likable person. But that is okay, I think you like yourself enough to make up for it.

    Wow, you have some issues.
    I was simply trying to give an example that money is different for every person. To some, $20 may be several hours of work and thus means more. While others look at $20 as being lunch, as in my example.

    As for your assumptions and attitude about having money is laughable. Kissing butt, as you so eloquently put it doesn't get you a solid education. Serving my country and the GI Bill did. Having a solid education doesn't always mean a good job. Ive worked my tail off for everything that I have and yes, I am proud of it. Maybe one day you will understand. If not, that's your problem.

    Back to the original statement. If someone buys gold.. WTFCares. It doesn't hurt you, well it may hurt your ePeen if they have more gold than you, but get over it.

    Just because I'm a gamer doesn't mean I drive a Honda.


    It's an Orange thing
  • nottunednottuned st.paul, MNPosts: 92Member
    Originally posted by Krimzin

     


    Originally posted by qombi

    Originally posted by Krimzin  

    Originally posted by Aori

    Originally posted by Krimzin I can only speak from my own opinion. People who buy gold are typically people who have disposable income. Someone who has disposable income typically has a good job so it limits the time they can play. They still want to keep up but don't have the time to farm gold and raid. So they buy gold to save time. I get it and could care less if they do. They work for their money and should be able to spend it how they like. I would rather someone work and buy gold then to be unemployed and have massive amounts of gold. Gold Buyer > Deadbeat any day of the week. Again.. Just my opinion.
    Yes it is your opinion and it isn't correct. I've had contact with many people who squandered their real cash for money. Some failed to pay rent, some had to use savings, others had to "pawn" their account. I've even known people who were suits that got landed in to trouble from dumping 10s of thousands of dollars in virtual goods.   Many people don't have the money to spend on it but like what it does for them.
      First off, How can my opinion be incorrect? Its my opinion. Get over yourself. As to my point. It doesn't matter if someone has a good job or not, poor judgment is poor judgment. If you make 10k a month and spend 9k on stupid shit, then your a fool. If you spend $20 here and there to buy gold, who cares. I spend $20 at lunch most days because I refuse to eat the garbage at most fast food places. Does that mean I have poor judgment.. no, it means that I watch what I eat and don't mind paying for it. What you are posting is a matter of semantics. You think your opinion is the only one that's right and everyone else is wrong.
    I don't think people despise you for your money. Good for you. They probably despise your self entitled attitude, bragging, and all around conceded attitude. Truth is there are plenty people out there probably smarter than you and not as smart as you. Having money usually doesn't mean you are smart, it means you kiss butt well. Money doesn't make you are likable person. But that is okay, I think you like yourself enough to make up for it.

     

    Wow, you have some issues.
    I was simply trying to give an example that money is different for every person. To some, $20 may be several hours of work and thus means more. While others look at $20 as being lunch, as in my example.

    As for your assumptions and attitude about having money is laughable. Kissing butt, as you so eloquently put it doesn't get you a solid education. Serving my country and the GI Bill did. Having a solid education doesn't always mean a good job. Ive worked my tail off for everything that I have and yes, I am proud of it. Maybe one day you will understand. If not, that's your problem.

    Back to the original statement. If someone buys gold.. WTFCares. It doesn't hurt you, well it may hurt your ePeen if they have more gold than you, but get over it.

    epeen? says the guy who buys gold so he can compete with those who can get the gold without cheating.

  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Llandrindod WellsPosts: 364Member

    I've purchased currencies in pretty much every MMO I've played, and I'm really not ashamed to admit it.

    The first time in I purchased currency for a game was back in the days of vanilla World of Warcraft. I LOVED PvP. I WANTED to PvP. I didn't want to raid, or grind, or farm, or craft, or do instances. I ENJOYED battlegrounds and dueling, but nothing else. Sadly when I hit 60, I was in greens/poor blues, so I tended to bounce off most of the decent PvPers in BGs and duels quite convincingly. Thing was... I knew I was capable of beating most of those players in a "fair" (ish) fight (see: in equivalent gear), but I really wasn't interested in having to do all of the time consuming, arduous, boring content that I didn't enjoy to get to that level...

    A few guilds on my server offered "paid for epics". Pay gold, get loot. So I decided to buy gold. I bought some gold, paid for some best in slot items, and filled up my other slots with better blues and BoE epics from the AH as well as some PvP items I'd got from my many hours PvPing.

    After that, dueling was even more fun. The players that outgeared me previously, and dueled me merely to show off how much of a gear advantage they had over me, started to duel me because I actually presented a challenge. They still had better gear than me, but I'd closed the gap enough that my skills as a player gave me a meaningful advantage in most fights, so much so that there were only 3 or 4 players on the server that beat me (and at this point they were beating me not because they had a gear advantage, but because they were actually more skilled than I was). And the game became even more fun for me at this point: every night when I logged on I would be greeted with 5 or 6 instant whispers asking me to join groups for WSG, and I was also a mainstay on my servers "rank 14 premade" even though I wasn't even vaguely close to being rank 14.

    So yeah, it made the game more fun for me. Didn't diminish the accomplishment of other people in any way either; I have the utmost respect for anyone who puts the time and effort in if that's what they want to do. But my priority is my own enjoyment, and buying gold - specifically in the context outlined above - led to my own enjoyment being increased.

    And no one died because of it.

  • iJustWantiJustWant Somewhere, WAPosts: 81Member

    I bought once, way back in original EQ. I'd wanted to level up a fairly expensive skill (Enchanting), and I knew it would take forever. Between full time work and part time school, I only played Friday nights & weekends. I bought gold, leveled up the skill, and sold +resist rings on Ebay to cover the cost. Overall, this was more of a pain than it was worth.

     

    Years later, a RL friend & guildmate bought gold in WoW. His account was hacked, perhaps a week later (what a coincidence), and he lost everything. Blizzard restored his characters to a point in time, before the gold purchase, so his net experience was that he got ripped.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by iJustWant

    Years later, a RL friend & guildmate bought gold in WoW. His account was hacked, perhaps a week later (what a coincidence), and he lost everything. Blizzard restored his characters to a point in time, before the gold purchase, so his net experience was that he got ripped.

    Buying gold from 3rd party is always risky. If you want to have the option of buying your way past boring grind, go to games with a cash shop, or a player-to-player auction house. Those are much safer.

     

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by Foomerang   Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by Silverchild Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.   Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it... And yet in video game land, its par for the course.
    "avoiding content" and "convenience" are the two arguments you guys like rally against. It's amusing. I say it's amusing because you either refuse to understand or categorically reject any reason other than those as those allow you the moral high ground. You waggle your fingers at those reasons as if they were the only reason anyone spends money in an MMO, despite many saying otherwise. 

    Why is that? 

     

    But to get back on point.... what you're saying is that his problem isn't that he's a bad movie watcher, he just sucks at choosing movies.

     



    Wait, who are you categorizing here? I was just commenting on a bad analogy.
  • SilverchildSilverchild Grand-Mere, QCPosts: 118Member
    Originally posted by dotdotdash

    I've purchased currencies in pretty much every MMO I've played, and I'm really not ashamed to admit it.

    The first time in I purchased currency for a game was back in the days of vanilla World of Warcraft. I LOVED PvP. I WANTED to PvP. I didn't want to raid, or grind, or farm, or craft, or do instances. I ENJOYED battlegrounds and dueling, but nothing else. Sadly when I hit 60, I was in greens/poor blues, so I tended to bounce off most of the decent PvPers in BGs and duels quite convincingly. Thing was... I knew I was capable of beating most of those players in a "fair" (ish) fight (see: in equivalent gear), but I really wasn't interested in having to do all of the time consuming, arduous, boring content that I didn't enjoy to get to that level...

    A few guilds on my server offered "paid for epics". Pay gold, get loot. So I decided to buy gold. I bought some gold, paid for some best in slot items, and filled up my other slots with better blues and BoE epics from the AH as well as some PvP items I'd got from my many hours PvPing.

    After that, dueling was even more fun. The players that outgeared me previously, and dueled me merely to show off how much of a gear advantage they had over me, started to duel me because I actually presented a challenge. They still had better gear than me, but I'd closed the gap enough that my skills as a player gave me a meaningful advantage in most fights, so much so that there were only 3 or 4 players on the server that beat me (and at this point they were beating me not because they had a gear advantage, but because they were actually more skilled than I was). And the game became even more fun for me at this point: every night when I logged on I would be greeted with 5 or 6 instant whispers asking me to join groups for WSG, and I was also a mainstay on my servers "rank 14 premade" even though I wasn't even vaguely close to being rank 14.

    So yeah, it made the game more fun for me. Didn't diminish the accomplishment of other people in any way either; I have the utmost respect for anyone who puts the time and effort in if that's what they want to do. But my priority is my own enjoyment, and buying gold - specifically in the context outlined above - led to my own enjoyment being increased.

    And no one died because of it.

     

    I kinda understand your point, but if you like "fair" pvp, why dont you play a game that actually support that game style? FPS, MOBA, or MMOs designed for it? I know it wasnt arround in that time, but GW2 comes to mind.

     

    I have to admit I was in the same boat as you. I played WoW, I PVPed, and when my own player skills didnt work anymore and I had to "grind" to gear up, I simply left and looked for a game that put more emphasis on player skills. Buying gold is just a temporary "fix" IMO. What happen when they release more gear? Buy more gold?

     

    I totally despise 3rd party RMT, they ruin games, they will never get any money out of me.

  • qombiqombi Unknown, LAPosts: 1,180Member
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.

     

    Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it...

    And yet in video game land, its par for the course.

    Perfect post right here. The people that are willing to pay to skip these bad parts are who continue to support games made like this. My preference is to let bad games die as I would with bad movies.

  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon

    I never have bought gold but I have sold it as well as leveling up accounts and selling those too, years ago before it was popular to do so.

    People do it because they don't want to grind for the gold, and/or they only play a few hours here and there and don't have time to gold grind. Casual players will always buy micros and gold.

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    What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  • MeowheadMeowhead New Carlisle, INPosts: 3,716Member
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     

    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.

     

    Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it...

    And yet in video game land, its par for the course.

    You must be old.  Movies are totally like that nowadays.

    They have been for a while.  I mean, not the directors putting things in, but people pay for the option to skip the commercials in between.  Not just that, but even back in the day, VCRs have had the ability to go fast forward, skip past the boring parts.  I've heard tell that many people watch porn that way.  (Not that I would know personally, of course)

    Also, that's a horrible comparison because if directors had to make movies that lasted 2000+ hours (Comparable to the amount of time a good MMORPG can last you), you better believe those movies would be full of really crappy boring parts.

    Not to mention that MMOs, in general, are in part simply rewarding you for patience and dedication.  Not skill, or for enjoying dramatic story or something.

    An MMORPG generally has less story than a single player RPG, yet stretches it out over a drastically longer period of time, with amounts of grinding and loot gathering that puts even old fashioned RPGs like Dragon Quest to shame. :)

    So people paying to skip parts of an MMO aren't, in general, missing a whole lot, sad to say.

    But MMOs have found out there are people who want to experience the story (In your average MMO, the whole story would handily fit in a 30 minute TV episode, and that's including the commercial breaks), and some of the challenge (High level dungeons and raids or whatever) and the ability to hang out with their high level friends who have more spare time...

    ... without paying the time/repetition tax.

    If you can beat a dungeon once... and then twice.... beating it 50 times to get a certain item isn't showing you've suddenly developed some drastic new skill, other than an ability to tolerate repeating yourself. :)

    I like doing it only because of the social aspects. Take out the social aspect and almost any MMO becomes pretty bad.  But what if you want to socialize with your friends online, but have less time because you work a lot of overtime at work?  Turning their RL money into game money for the chance to be with their friends in a game is, for some people, a fair trade, and the only one they can afford to make (Time is pretty precious).

    So I don't really judge those people negatively... or the games themselves, since being ridiculously long experiences, MMORPGs are, by nature, filled with lots of padding.  They can't help it.  Even the most sandboxy of sandboxes requires a certain amount of repetition.  RPGs themselves do the same thing, just less so (Fighting the 80th goblin is not any more of a challenge than say, the 10th one, generally).  Most video games have a certain amount of padding.

    edit:  Note - movies are drastically edited down BEFORE you watch them.  Movies are built to be streamlined, fast, moment to moment, moving along at a constant clip with a specific conclusion within a span of a few hours at most.  An MMORPG cannot be designed that way.  Well, not one that most people here would enjoy. :P

     

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by qombi
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by jdnewell You hold up the term " Gamer" like its a badge of honor that comes with a code of conduct. For most people its a form of entertainment they do in free time, not the Marines. Its just not that serious. And I am not sure what would even classify someone as a " bad gamer". It is entertainment, saying bad gamer is like calling someone a Bad Movie watcher. You are free to have your opinion, and others are free to ignore it. You just stay busy being a true hardcore gamer, that way you can make yourself feel good while you look down on the rest of us =)
     My hobby is watching movies. I dont have much time, though, so I pay my little brother to watch the first hour of movies, then I watch the endings. Bad movie watcher?
    Not a bad movie watcher but definitely someone who isn't too tech savvy, because everyone else has been just using the free Fast Forward button for decades now. A better use of your money would be to pay your brother to teach you how to use the remote. 
    You don't skip through good movies. Same with games I guess. Bad ones let you pay to avoid the parts that suck. Worse ones intentionally put in bad parts in order to entice you to pay to skip them.

     

    Could you imagine if movies were like that? Directors putting in hours of pointless dialogue with the option to pay to skip past it...

    And yet in video game land, its par for the course.

    Perfect post right here. The people that are willing to pay to skip these bad parts are who continue to support games made like this. My preference is to let bad games die as I would with bad movies.

    Naw. IMO that is not really reasonable.

    The only way a game would not have any parts I feel are bad or dull was if the game was completely tailored for me.  Since they are not it stands to reason that there is some part of the game I won't like.

    I'll skip that part and continue with the parts I do like.

    and I do definately skip parts of movies I'm bored with.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

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