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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by goldtoof
     

    I've never got mobas, i've tried both LOL and DOTA2 - hell Valve have bombarded me with at least 20 keys for DOTA2.  But I never saw the point to them.

    It is ok. You don't have to tens of millions of gamers that like something else, nor the pro e-sport athletes who devotes their life on the games.

    Not everyone reads Jane Austin either.

  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Oxon Hill, MDPosts: 1,147Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by iridescence
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by iridescence

    The lesson I wish MMOs would learn from LoL is "It's better to do one thing and do it better than anyone else than try to be all things to all people. Know your core audience and give them what they want."

    Too many games try to please everyone and as a result end up pleasing no one.

    If by "pleasing no one" you mean "multiple millions more than the narrow-focus titles", you might be accurate.

    Let's remember, damned few of Ye Olden Games of Yore Most Revered and Holy have ever pushed a half-mill. Ever.

    The esteem we hold them in has little or nothing to do with commercial success.

    WoW is the only MMO to count itself its subs in "multiple millions" and I think it's an anomaly.  Better to have a smaller but loyal audience than start with a slightly larger one but then lose most of them after a month or two and soon have to go F2P. I would be willing to bet that an MMO will never see 10 million subs again. That's just not the natural size of the market and new MMOs just hurt themselves a lot by trying to be the "WoW killer"

     

     

    LoL is really good at the kind of team arena combat it does and has attracted tons of users by focusing on that. The current generation of MMOs could definitely learn something from that.

     

     

    Exactly this.  Not to mention in a time when the market is flooded with generic quest hub grinders and failing to hold subs that games would diversify to fill other niches.  Because at this point outside WoW most of these games have niche number anyways.  

  • SilaxSilax Daytona Beach, FLPosts: 250Member
    This just in!  Soccer more popular than Football!  ESPN now dropping NFL contracts for FIFA.  Americans thrilled.
  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    A fat, bald middle aged professional bowler is more of an athlete than an e-sport "athlete" ever will be.

    BTW, World of Tanks claims to have around 70 million registered users, too, and had over 800k users playing at one time on the Russian servers.  I have a feeling they probably make more money than LoL.

    http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/46/world-tanks-sets-new-guinness-world-record/

     

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  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    A fat, bald middle aged professional bowler is more of an athlete than an e-sport "athlete" ever will be.

    I'm sure it's just a vocabulary issue - if it were called a 'competitors' visa, it would be more accurate. They deserve a visa for being involved in a competition, not because they are 'athletic'. Because they named the visa an 'athlete's' visa, likely before the computer was invented, it does not mean that the visa controls the definition of an 'athlete' for the future.

    But that being said, would a e-sport "athlete" be more of an athlete than the bowler if he/she could also run marathons? Maybe they game on an exercise bike with ankle weights......

     

  • RabidMouthRabidMouth Charlotte, NCPosts: 196Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

    You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

  • agentsi1511agentsi1511 columbus, OHPosts: 20Member Uncommon

    It's kind of crazy the extent of which fan boys will go to get the point across that their favorite game at the moment is more popular than WoW.

     

    I've played my fair share of MOBA's, and its very clear to anyone who plays them often. LoL is for the lesser skilled crowd(overall). It's easier to get into, easier to learn, a lot more forgiving when you're a new/bad player. DotA2/HoN are way more fast paced(HoN gameplay is actually 25% faster than DotA2's) with a much steeper learning curve. Faster pace, requires quicker reactions, requires strategizing differently to adapt. Now the top LoL players are different, they would be top players in HoN, or DotA2 simply because they're good. But on average, if you're new, you play LoL. Once you've learned it you move onto the adult games ie: DotA2 and HoN.

     

    But back on topic... WoW has to be the most successful in terms of revenue generated of any game period. I would be surprised if a game has generated more than them. So many years at the top of the heap, and they still are.. It's crazy. No one has 1/10 of wow's current subs. FFXIV would be the closest game but I doubt even that is close.

     

    So no, LoL is not more popular than WoW in terms of finance. In terms of being free and appealing to the young adults in this world? Probably. But it will NEVER make anywhere close to the amount of money WoW has produced for Blizzard.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

  • RabidMouthRabidMouth Charlotte, NCPosts: 196Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Xthos
     

    I am not so sure that they are losing faith, I think they are unsure of what needs to be next.  They originally took the EQ model imo, and looked at ways to make it more casual/quick.  Then, if anything new was coming out, that people were excited about, they adapted it to WoW.  

     

    That is losing faith. They are no longer "sure" that MMORPG is needed to be next.

     

     I don't really consider that losing faith...A unemployed person may know they need a job, but be unaware of what it will be.  They made too much off of WoW to turn their backs on mmos.  They haven't had a ton of reason to risk their cash cow until recently, and their subs dropping...I would think internally they have a number at which they only see upside to releasing another mmo, would of made no sense while WoW was at its peak imo.

  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    How about cup stacking?  Those guys are crazy fast but I would never call them athletes, either.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_stacking

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Xthos
     

    I am not so sure that they are losing faith, I think they are unsure of what needs to be next.  They originally took the EQ model imo, and looked at ways to make it more casual/quick.  Then, if anything new was coming out, that people were excited about, they adapted it to WoW.  

     

    That is losing faith. They are no longer "sure" that MMORPG is needed to be next.

     

     I don't really consider that losing faith...A unemployed person may know they need a job, but be unaware of what it will be.  They made too much off of WoW to turn their backs on mmos.  They haven't had a ton of reason to risk their cash cow until recently, and their subs dropping...I would think internally they have a number at which they only see upside to releasing another mmo, would of made no sense while WoW was at its peak imo.

    I always wondered how many people  would be playing WoW if it was f2p...and how many would be playing LoL if it was p2p.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Xthos
     

    I am not so sure that they are losing faith, I think they are unsure of what needs to be next.  They originally took the EQ model imo, and looked at ways to make it more casual/quick.  Then, if anything new was coming out, that people were excited about, they adapted it to WoW.  

     

    That is losing faith. They are no longer "sure" that MMORPG is needed to be next.

     

     I don't really consider that losing faith...A unemployed person may know they need a job, but be unaware of what it will be.  They made too much off of WoW to turn their backs on mmos.  They haven't had a ton of reason to risk their cash cow until recently, and their subs dropping...I would think internally they have a number at which they only see upside to releasing another mmo, would of made no sense while WoW was at its peak imo.

    You have a very funny notion of what losing faith means.

    I don't consider a company who is not pushing MMORPG as their #1 priority as having "faith" in it, particularly when they have already done a ton of work on a new one.

     

  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

    If we're going full retard on this, then how about those kids that do spelling bees?

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  • HalandirHalandir nnPosts: 758Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Silax
    This just in!  Soccer more popular than Football!  ESPN now dropping NFL contracts for FIFA.  Americans thrilled.

    Soccer? Oh you mean what most countries outside North America calls Football... (The other thing is referred to as "American Football".) Never mind that...

    Yes football is, worldwide, far more popular than "American Football". (American football DOES have a niche following in some countries outside NA.)

    Guess the same applies to LoL/WoW... Within a defined demographic WoW is definately king. Expand to worldwide scale: Not so much ;-)

     

    We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
    (repeat ad infinitum)

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

    If we're going full retard on this, then how about those kids that do spelling bees?

    well, you are not the US govt, nor the Olympic committee, right? So your opinion really does not count much but theirs do.

     

  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

    If we're going full retard on this, then how about those kids that do spelling bees?

     Everyone is special and a athlete by todays standards....Well the olympics had to drop those wrestlers for a bit, it wasn't a traditional Olympic sport, but they ended up letting them back in.

     

  • RabidMouthRabidMouth Charlotte, NCPosts: 196Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

    Last time I checked chess was not featured in the olympics. But you neglected to answer my question. Would you say playing the piano is a sport? Is playing the guitar a sport? Should singing be a sport? These are all talents people have that I would bet you couldn't hold a candle to. These people are talented at video games, that does not mean they should be classed as athletes.

    You seem to be having difficulty seeing through your fanboism.

    You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

    If we're going full retard on this, then how about those kids that do spelling bees?

     Everyone is special and a athlete by todays standards....Well the olympics had to drop those wrestlers for a bit, it wasn't a traditional Olympic sport, but they ended up letting them back in.

     

    Really?

    I doubt you can beat Kasparov on chess, any of those korean pros on SC2, any of those e-athletes on LoL, and probably not even those kids who won spellling bees.

     

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
     

    Last time I checked chess was not featured in the olympics. But you neglected to answer my question. Would you say playing the piano is a sport? Is playing the guitar a sport? Should singing be a sport? These are all talents people have that I would bet you couldn't hold a candle to. These people are talented at video games, that does not mean they should be classed as athletes.

    You seem to be having difficulty seeing through your fanboism.

    You should ask the US govt and the olympic committee, i am not the one who is doing the classification.

  • RabidMouthRabidMouth Charlotte, NCPosts: 196Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
     

    Last time I checked chess was not featured in the olympics. But you neglected to answer my question. Would you say playing the piano is a sport? Is playing the guitar a sport? Should singing be a sport? These are all talents people have that I would bet you couldn't hold a candle to. These people are talented at video games, that does not mean they should be classed as athletes.

    You seem to be having difficulty seeing through your fanboism.

    You should ask the US govt and the olympic committee, i am not the one who is doing the classification.

    Don't hold your breath. There are many sports that haven't been added and all of them require much more from the human body.

    You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon
    Call me skeptical but I have a real hard time believing 32.5 million people log into thsi game every day...First of all how could the servers even come close to handling anywhere near that number?...These gaming companies are always spewing out numbers that are totally false, im sure this is just one more.
  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Theocritus
    Call me skeptical but I have a real hard time believing 32.5 million people log into thsi game every day...First of all how could the servers even come close to handling anywhere near that number?...These gaming companies are always spewing out numbers that are totally false, im sure this is just one more.

    They don't.  World of Tanks set a Guinness record with the most users on at one time with 800k on their Russian servers.  I have an account for LoL that I made a few years ago but I couldn't tell you the last time I played.  The OP is just trying to convince us that LoL is a superior game to WoW because it has more players.  I thought people used that argument against WoW the other way around?  In any case, WoW is pay2play while LoL is f2p.  If LoL was p2p I highly doubt it would come close to 70 million users.

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  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by CowboyHat
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dontneed
    so eventually make kids think as if  'esports' is same as real sports.

    Not only kids. The US govt agrees that e-sport is same as real sports and e-athletes can be classified as athletes for visa purposes.

    And if olympics recognize e-sport .. what more do you need?

    I will need a bullet to the head. Just the idea that they might even consider adding esports to the Olympics makes me cringe. There is not even a comparison in the difference in talent between a real athlete and one of these "eathletes." It already makes me sick that the US passed that law.

     

    "comparison in difference in talent" .. .i don't suppose you think you hold a candle to those e-athletes? Have you seen the koreans playing SC2 (another e-sport games). They can do hundreds of actions every min. How many can you do?

    I doubt many current olympians can beat those e-athletes in their respective games too.

    But guess what, you can cringe all you want but you are not the one who is making the decision, are you?

     

    Are we going to make playing the piano a sport too?

    Isn't playing chess one already?

    If we're going full retard on this, then how about those kids that do spelling bees?

    well, you are not the US govt, nor the Olympic committee, right? So your opinion really does not count much but theirs do.

     

    The reason the US government may classify e-sport participants as "athletes" is because the entry rules for these type of people is in a bit of a grey area now seeing as how current laws probably haven't been updated in years and don't reflect what these people are.  They're not entertainers and they're not athletes but they are in a competition so classifying them as "athletes" is more appropriate than as an entertainer. 

    Oh, and FYI, e-sports aren't even on the radar of the Olympics and probably never will be.  If they are ever given a spot and e-sport "athletes" march out with swimmers, sprinters and weightlifters from their countries, then that's when the Olympics will have officially jumped the shark and becomes completely meaningless.  As I said earlier, fat ass bowlers are more worthy to be called athletes than anyone involved in e-sports.   Just because someone threw together the name e-sports, doesn't mean it is a sport.

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    Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

    Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

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