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Do people care about MMOs any more?

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Classicstar

    No im 100% solo rpg's now leave spoonfed mmo's to new generations.

    Now .. that is a narrow view.

    If you like solo RPGs, just play MMORPGs as such. There is no reason not to enjoy solo content in MMORPGs that is fun.

     

  • NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Classicstar

    No im 100% solo rpg's now leave spoonfed mmo's to new generations.

    Now .. that is a narrow view.

    If you like solo RPGs, just play MMORPGs as such. There is no reason not to enjoy solo content in MMORPGs that is fun.

     

    If your going to champion single player MMORPG's you should get a sidekick who wants to turn the "O" in MMORPG to offline. Just seems like the logical next step to me. That or get minions like in Despicable Me because from where I am sitting your an evil villain. I picture you doing the Mr.Burns evil hand rub and saying "excellent" every time a crappy new F2P game comes out because you get to come on here and proclaim how good Marvel Heroes or some other uninspired drivel is.

    Now don't get me wrong this is not a "You don't like what I like" thing it's more of a "You got what I liked changed into something I do not like" deal. If you have fun playing what I consider crap all the power to you it would just be nice if I had something to look forward to as well. Also I know it's not your fault the mass consumer appeal to make money cha-ching is all that these companies are chasing. Thing is there is a huge difference between being milked by a farmer by hand and being attached to a soulless machine that tries to milk you dry.

    Lowest common denominator, casual mass market, dumbed down, narrow, shallow, single player MMORPG's might be fantastic and fun for some people and all the power to them if they can enjoy them but I want a virtual world worth playing in again.

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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by goldtoof
    I think mmos are in decline, because there are more good games around these days that aren't mmos.

    The mid noughties when mmos were at their peak, there weren't that many great pc games coming out, so people had time to commit to THE ONE GAME

    now there seems to be a game worth trying out every week. People just don't have that much time

    It is great that there are so many games. I hate the idea of committing to one game. It would be very boring to me.

     

    one day you'll settle down, find that one special MMO and live together for eternity...

     

    and then you'll realise the reason you've been dissagreeing with us all this time was because we were just a little ahead, but on the same path nevertheless.

     

    to answer OPs question...an MMO is a really big thing. There are parts of it I care about. above all, the large-scale trinity-based raiding that requires strategy formulation to adapt mechanics and their counters to your group's exact composition, strengths and weaknesses.

     

    that is fading. in another 5 years it will be just a memory. as such I am forced out of MMOs little by little. And when this is complete, when the last raiding MMO fails, then I will no longer be interested. So I gotta keep raiding now while there's still time, before I'm forced into retirement.

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Ender4
    Now this is a post I can agree with at least :). I desperately want a game where the player has more control over the world.

    We can't even get a game (any more) where the player has complete control over his appearance. Basic cosmetics.

    Too expensive. Bad for PVP. Too hard. We'll sell it to you for $X more.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Robokapp

     

    one day you'll settle down, find that one special MMO and live together for eternity...

     

     

    Settle down in a game? You must be joking. It is probability more likely that i stop gaming than doing that.

    In fact, as i grew older, as opposed to spend more time in a single game, i spent LESS.

     

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    Define "people".

    There are definitely people who care about MMORPGs. I don't know if the number of people who "care" about MMORPGs are significant relative to the number of people who just care about games though.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • tixylixtixylix gfff, TNPosts: 1,208Member Uncommon

    I have to wonder though, are games more dumbed down and easier because the people who're making them are now older and have kids and have less time? We see younger indie developers come in and create some amazing hard games and bringing the challenge and diversity back. Do older developers just create stuff their kids want to play or create stuff because they feel like people don't have the time to play them as they do?

    I don't see the audience asking for it.

  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Riverside, RIPosts: 3,266Member Uncommon
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

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  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,989Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tixylix

    I have to wonder though, are games more dumbed down and easier because the people who're making them are now older and have kids and have less time? We see younger indie developers come in and create some amazing hard games and bringing the challenge and diversity back. Do older developers just create stuff their kids want to play or create stuff because they feel like people don't have the time to play them as they do?

    I don't see the audience asking for it.

    No?  Every new AAA MMO created with this more casual friendly design sells millions of copies.......and the largest sub based MMO for the past 9 years still dominates the market.

    That's what's driving the designs, not the audience.

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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  • jfoytekjfoytek tigard, ORPosts: 150Member
    Originally posted by remyburke
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

    This, its just regurgitated instanced theamparks with crappy crafting and no pvp....

     

    Just sick of the theampark!!!

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  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Ehrenfeld, PAPosts: 2,977Member

    For me, most of the magic is gone, maybe because I am older now and the freshness of a mmorpg for me just doesn't meet my expectations anymore.

    Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online and Star Wars Galaxies were my all time favorites and had depth for me, even when those games were in their prime. Today we depend to much on content the developer has to gives us and reaching end game in our mmorpgs. The sense of imagination is out the door and as a gamer now, I think I lost that element.

    When World of Warcraft was first released it was fantastic, but it was still missing that element for me about caring about my character even when I was offline. WoW characters for me felt more static and fake where as the other mmo characters I felt more compassion for if something happen to them (maybe its just me).

  • jfoytekjfoytek tigard, ORPosts: 150Member
    Originally posted by 7imelord

    For me, most of the magic is gone, maybe because I am older now and the freshness of a mmorpg for me just doesn't meet my expectations anymore.

    Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online and Star Wars Galaxies were my all time favorites and had depth for me, even when those games were in their prime. Today we depend to much on content the developer has to gives us and reaching end game in our mmorpgs. The sense of imagination is out the door and as a gamer now, I think I lost that element.

    When World of Warcraft was first released it was fantastic, but it was still missing that element for me about caring about my character even when I was offline. WoW characters for me felt more static and fake where as the other mmo characters I felt more compassion for if something happen to them (maybe its just me).

    For me it was UO, DAoC, Shadowbane, SWG

     

    But yeah I agree 100% The character was an extension of you in an alternate fantasy, was in a way like an enjoyable relaxing second life....  the New MMO's of today lack this, they lack Role Play they lack that special feel....

     

    But I wait and hope that a new Sandbox will be released that will bring back that UO feel again!

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by remyburke
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

     

    "want to love MMOs"? They are just games.

    May be you should find another hobby.

    Devs have the freedom to cater to anyone. We have the freedom to choose any entertainment we want.

     

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by remyburke
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

     

    "want to love MMOs"? They are just games.

    May be you should find another hobby.

    Devs have the freedom to cater to anyone. We have the freedom to choose any entertainment we want.

     

    he says he wants to love them...you're telling him to find another hobby.

     

    isn't it obvious he doesn't want another hobby?

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  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Llandrindod WellsPosts: 364Member

    I think it's telling that several major games of the coming generation are avoiding using the "MMO" label, even though they are blatantly MMOs (Destiny and Star Citizen come to mind).

  • sketocafesketocafe StoupaPosts: 801Member Uncommon
    Not so much. I'm very cautiously optimistic that Wildstar or Archage might offer some fun but I'm okay with skipping them and any other future mmos entirely if they feel like the same ol' shit. And shit is what i've been seeing in the genre for some time now.
  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,916Member Uncommon

    To me, MMO does not equal MMORPG.  I consider MMO as a broad term, with MMORPG being a subset of MMO.

     

    I like RPGs, especially those with multiplayer gameplay assuming PVP is optional / avoidable.  I'm really only interested in PVE.  Being PK'd by random players while I'm out questing is definitely not a positive event.

     

    I like adventuring and exploration.  I find questing for XP is a tedius chore.  I enjoy farming and crafting.  For me, the occasional dungeon run with friends is the highlight of my gameplay.

     

    I'm not involved in raiding because I play casually and can never meet the requirements needed to play with hardcore players.

     

    I guess what I'm waiting for is an exploration / adventure PVE virtual world that doesn't cater to hardcores.

     

    ...  I'm getting the feeling that this is isn't ever going to happen.


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  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by remyburke
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

     

    "want to love MMOs"? They are just games.

    May be you should find another hobby.

    Devs have the freedom to cater to anyone. We have the freedom to choose any entertainment we want.

     

    he says he wants to love them...you're telling him to find another hobby.

     

    isn't it obvious he doesn't want another hobby?

    If he doesn't like the hobby he has, why shouldn't he find another one?  This is what happens when people get unrealistically fixated on a single genre and can't do anything else.  If you no longer enjoy something that you used to enjoy in the past, you shouldn't spend all of your time whining about it, you should go find something else to do.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by remyburke
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

     

    "want to love MMOs"? They are just games.

    May be you should find another hobby.

    Devs have the freedom to cater to anyone. We have the freedom to choose any entertainment we want.

     

    he says he wants to love them...you're telling him to find another hobby.

     

    isn't it obvious he doesn't want another hobby?

    If he doesn't like the hobby he has, why shouldn't he find another one?  This is what happens when people get unrealistically fixated on a single genre and can't do anything else.  If you no longer enjoy something that you used to enjoy in the past, you shouldn't spend all of your time whining about it, you should go find something else to do.

    And if he said "he wants to", and give lots of reasons not to .. he is really not loving it. He may be just seeking justification to go somewhere.

    And even if he really wants to, i can always air my two cents, can't i? Who says "love" cannot change. Just look at all the divorces in this country.

     

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member
    Honestly no. I do not care about mmos as much as I used to thanks to developers trying to make mmos that please everyone.  We haven't had such a good mmo in such a long time now it is going to take a miracle to bring back the greatness of the genre. More interested in games like Skyrim, Destiny,The Division and Star Citizen.
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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    And even if he really wants to, i can always air my two cents, can't i?

    Sure...but so can I.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jDspIC4hY

     

    take a look at 2:46 thourough 3:45. He defines a 'game' as a subclass of interactive challenge involving conflict. Such a thing can not possibly be fun 100% of the time so while it's important and essential for it to be fun overall, sometimes it might be difficult to identify quickly what the overall sum is.

     

    by that definition, a lot of times when people say "it's just a game" also would make them wrong and are in fact talking about a "toy" not a game, it seems.

     

     

     

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  • jesadjesad Posts: 753Member Uncommon

    I still care about them.  They just don't care about me anymore.

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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Oxon Hill, MDPosts: 1,147Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by remyburke
    I want to still love MMOs, but developers aren't making them for me anymore sadly.....

     

    "want to love MMOs"? They are just games.

    May be you should find another hobby.

    Devs have the freedom to cater to anyone. We have the freedom to choose any entertainment we want.

     

    he says he wants to love them...you're telling him to find another hobby.

     

    isn't it obvious he doesn't want another hobby?

    If he doesn't like the hobby he has, why shouldn't he find another one?  This is what happens when people get unrealistically fixated on a single genre and can't do anything else.  If you no longer enjoy something that you used to enjoy in the past, you shouldn't spend all of your time whining about it, you should go find something else to do.

    And if he said "he wants to", and give lots of reasons not to .. he is really not loving it. He may be just seeking justification to go somewhere.

    And even if he really wants to, i can always air my two cents, can't i? Who says "love" cannot change. Just look at all the divorces in this country.

     

     

    So essentially if things don't go his way take his ball and go home?

    I seriously doubt the MMORPG world will stay the same. I am in the same boat as I don't like most of the current games but peak in to see if change happens. Ironic from someone who was around during the old schools and hates that style you surely did stick around.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    And even if he really wants to, i can always air my two cents, can't i?

    Sure...but so can I.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jDspIC4hY

    take a look at 2:46 thourough 3:45. He defines a 'game' as a subclass of interactive challenge involving conflict. Such a thing can not possibly be fun 100% of the time so while it's important and essential for it to be fun overall, sometimes it might be difficult to identify quickly what the overall sum is.

    by that definition, a lot of times when people say "it's just a game" also would make them wrong and are in fact talking about a "toy" not a game, it seems.

    You sure had a strange takeaway from that video. Good video, though. Definitely watch it again.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by jesad

    I still care about them.  They just don't care about me anymore.

    So lopsided. You really would care about products produced by uncaring developers?

    Personally i just treat them as replace-able products.

     

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