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Do you youtube dungeons or raids before your first run?
bronzephishy
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So I can understand the purist mmo players who want to run dungeons without spoilers but I've ran Garuda trial 20 times and each time there's at least one or 2 pug players that don't youtube and always cause a wipe to fail....I always youtube before dungeons so we can you know ...maybe beat the dungeon? do you youtube or not?
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I choose YES and I do sometimes watch you tube but generally I prefer to read the tactics of the fight this generally gets me more info what each power the boss has dose if it has specific rotations what percentage health adds spawn were they spawn and there powers and health. Videos on youtube sometimes good but a lot of them have no description of what's doing what.
On a another note I generally don't mind if people have no idea what's going on as long as they say before we start. I find it really frustrating after a few wipes someone saying they have no idea what's going on.
I never do in any game i play... it ruins the fun of discovery..
But if i play a dungeon for the first time, i tend to do that as DPS, just so i can mark tactics and make mental notes (unless its a new and fresh game in which case i just play my favourite roles of tank or healer)
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If reading up or watching a guide is required before hand outside of the game, then whilst it might be good to do so, the game itself has failed. If clues to the mechanics aren't readily available/explained in the game itself, it is poor design. Remember people worked it out without the guide in order to bring you said guide.
A lot of the enjoyment is removed when you require everything to be read up on before hand.
How will you cope when there is no guide?
EQ Next hints at this possibility. Dungeons that are randomly generated, with random end bosses/sub bosses.
Running EQ and EQ2 raids way back when, there were no guides, no you tube. You were forced to apply sounds judgement and a healthy dose of common sense.
A whole sub culture of elitists has been created by guide requirement, the shouts for, xyz class must know tactics? A little part of me dies every time I hear this. So you were lucky enough to have some one walk you through it the first time you did it but you yourself are not willing to walk the uninitiated through it yourself? Give me 8 - 16 - 24 - 100 other people who want to have fun and have the patient and common sense to do their respective best over this subset any day.
Efficiency is fast replacing exploration and entertainment. Dungeons should be an adventure not an exercise in towing the dotted line.
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Same here. That`s one of the main reason I play videogames. I'm not the "walkthrough" type, but I'm probably old fashioned...
As for people saying that it's "disrespectful" and that everyone should do it or else create their own group or FC, well, one could throw it back at you. If you group via the dungeon finder, you know what you sign up for (basically: anything!).
If you can't handle it and don't want to "lose your time" with noobs, you can create your own group or join an FC of like minded people. I don't see why this would not also be applicable to the "you must youtube first" crowd.
The discussion about "why won't MMO's let you fail" gets touted on these forums all the time, but I've always said that the availability of information is what has done the most to kill challenge in MMO's.
People should not be looking up guides or videos of content before they encounter it. You SHOULD have to fail and flop through it until you learn it. That's part of the fun. I know that in the middle of those moments of failure it can be frustrating to endure them, but that's what people keep saying they miss. That feeling of accomplishment.
This is also one of the reasons I laugh to myself when I see people talk about how easy WoW raids have become. The truth is the literal opposite of that. Blizzard has continued to add depth and complexity to their raid design over the years, going back to Vanilla is hilarious when you look at what bosses used to do. 1-3 special abilities, only a few had more than one phase.
Now days, you get 3-5 phases, different responsibilities for various groups within the raid, multiple things going on.
Guides + addons like deadly boss mods have essentially sucked all the challenge out of content. How can you fail if you know what to do? It just becomes about gear after that and then it feels shallow.
People don't attribute enough of the decline in MMO challenge to this.
Nope.
In case you were going to ask, I don't look up how a book ends before I read it, either.
i do let the team know its my first time and ask that they let me know why thing they want me to know. So far, no issues. Just be honest about your knowledge of the dungeon and listen to the players who have done it before.
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must be the last thing missing, to make MMOs the absolutely worse gaming experience...make a video fly through of how to beat all nameds in an instance...
what a sick idea to spoil the minimal newness there is in an MMO - the only fun in an instance is to figure out, as a group, how to beat it, and to explain the fight abit for people who havent done it before. Ofc you could argue there is no diffrence between watching a video and getting it explained, but tbh it is the last straw of social interaction left in MMOs.
Why should i care about your time when im enjoying my time playing a game? If you think it's wasting your precious time then maybe you should not be playing games.
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Nope. Takes away the thrill of learning the content. I play just like everyone else and shouldn't have my enjoyment of how I like to play the game lessened just so others aren't inconvenienced by my 'noobness'.
As others have said, I'll let the group know it's my first time and will take any advice given, but resorting to vids and walkthroughs for me is a detriment to my enjoyment.
The only raids I remember, are the ones that the group wiped over and over with the win being so satisfying because of the work involved. I like the challenge, as a previous poster pointed out the raids are not getting easier people that do them lack the confidence and time to do them the way they were intended to be played.
With that said I do watch the videos and read up on the fights, but it does kill some of the fun. Just wish all the videos were not posted then content would last a little longer. Sure a few well organized guilds would have content on farm, but there would be many others still trying for the win.
in general
raids yes
dungeons no
edit: especially raids that are pugs. In an FC raid I can expect more friendly explanation. Or if its new to us all we can agree to learn it together.
I Youtube and read up on a dungeon or primal before every 1st run and sometimes after.
If I was running a dungeon for the 1st time with FC buddies I certainly wouldn't. Then it wouldn't matter if we wiped a dozen times to learn the thing. If im going to be doing the thing via DF then I will read up etc in case Im the only noob so I don't completely waste peoples time.
Yeah I perhaps shouldn't but I'd prefer not to be pretty clueless about whats coming while adventuring with strangers.
Its Garuda tonight when I get home.. Only the story version at the moment though.
Not before my first run - I don't have any context to base it off of, so trying to watch it before is meaningless to me, and I think it's fun going into something new and trying to figure it out on my own before having it spoon fed to me.
In fact, I don't watch Youtube for any dungeons. If I've wiped a few times and am having trouble with something, I'll go look for a written guide with nice pretty pictures, but videos are largely useless to me.
I do let players in a group know if it's my first time. So far I've been lucky and they explain what needs to be explained (99% of it is "stay out of the red" anyway), and that's been enough to get through. If it's something like memorizing a pattern (Titan HM, for instance), no amount of watching videos can substitute for just getting in there and practicing.