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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn: Client Side Exploit Discovered

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,588MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

According to information revealed on several sites and in a thread on MMORPG.com's forum, a new client side exploit for Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn has been discovered. While developers have yet to acknowledge the issue, all threads reporting the issue are being dismissed and deleted.

This is, as yet, unconfirmed and we are unwilling to post the details of the exploit. Keep in mind that any "instructions" how to exploit the game will result in the thread being closed. Discussion only please.

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon

    So it's an unconfirmed story with no real evidence?

    Why is this news?

     

    Sorry this reminds me of the real news, where they sensationalize things without any proof anymore...

    I'm not saying this isn't happening, I have no idea, it just seems l like you guys have no idea either :-(

     

    Edit: Reminds me of the last season of newsroom...

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon

    It would be nice to know in what way the game is affected. Is this related to character/level modification, gold/item duping, or other areas?

    I'm glad you're reporting on this and hopefully Squeenix will feel pressure to acknowledge a problem.

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon

    What are we supposed to discuss exactly?

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    It would be nice to know in what way the game is affected. Is this related to character/level modification, gold/item duping, or other areas?

    I'm glad you're reporting on this and hopefully Squeenix will feel pressure to acknowledge a problem.

    That would follow the line of reasoning that SE isn't already working on the problem IF it exists.

    I've heard rumors of said problem, yet very limited evidence if any, only ONE screen shot and a bunch of shady throw away accounts claiming they can do anything they want to.

    It's all unconfirmed and very early to say anything about any of this really.

    I'm sure if it IS a problem SE is already working on it, and if it isn't, well that's probably why SE has not commented on it.  You don't comment on things that don't exist.  You also don't comment on exploits in such a way as to make more people abuse them when you don't have a solution to the problem yet. 

    Which is sorta what MMORPG just did...

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member

    Why did you post this?  Bored?

    I know as much about this topic as I did before I clicked the link to read it. /facepalm

  • GrakulenGrakulen Staff Writer St. Charles, MOPosts: 460MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Grakulen
    This thread has most of the info about it already. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397896/page/1

    So what does MMORPG.com gain by bringing attention to a problem that is trying to be kept under wraps by the development?

    I'd say that's undermining their authority and their game.

    It's going to get more people to research this exploit (if it in fact is real) and actually abuse it. 

    I feel this article is unethical.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SBFord

    According to information revealed on several sites, a new client side exploit for Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn has been discovered. While developers have yet to acknowledge the issue, all threads reporting the issue are being dismissed and deleted.

    This is, as yet, unconfirmed and we are unwilling to post the details of the exploit. Keep in mind that any "instructions" how to exploit the game will result in the thread being closed. Discussion only please.

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     Since you all are not up to date on this "exploit" SE has already done some counter measures to the "exploit". Apparently they're tracking all of those who are exploiting the issue since it went public. The downside has to do with this "exploit" being in the game since the 1.0 release.

     It's not really an exploit so much as it is a design flaw in the game.

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  • GrakulenGrakulen Staff Writer St. Charles, MOPosts: 460MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    I feel this article is unethical.

     

    Noted
  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon

    If you all don't want to disclose the exploit then why do you allow this post to exist?

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397896/page/1

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  • HeretiqueHeretique Posts: 1,101Member Uncommon
    Game is poorly designed, yes this should get more media attention because SE is doing things backwards. What's unethical is how SE treats their customers, this is just bad design and a flaw like this should of never seen the light of day.

    Originally posted by salsa41
    are you have problem ?

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Heretique
    Game is poorly designed, yes this should get more media attention because SE is doing things backwards. What's unethical is how SE treats their customers, this is just bad design and a flaw like this should of never seen the light of day.

    Yeah, I completely agree. Why would a company ever have the client control what the server gives to them? This is a recurring issue with many new games as well. The most recent one I know of that also did this was Defiance.

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  • AlamarethAlamareth Cincinnati, OHPosts: 570Member

    Seriously?  You are referencing a post in your forums that links to Reddit and calling it news?

    Whoa there Giraldo.

    SE knows about the exploit, confirmed on 10/1 on the Japanese forums.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    Seriously?  You are referencing a post in your forums that links to Reddit and calling it news?

    Whoa there Giraldo.

    SE knows about the exploit, confirmed on 10/1 on the Japanese forums.

    Yeah, MMORPG is way late on this post ;). Don't you love when media coverage is incredibly slow?

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    Seriously?  You are referencing a post in your forums that links to Reddit and calling it news?

    Whoa there Giraldo.

    SE knows about the exploit, confirmed on 10/1 on the Japanese forums.

    Then they should acknowledge on their NA forums as well. Transparency is better than not and instills confidence in their players that they are concerned and moving on the issue. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in complex software ecosystems. Squeenix has a very old guard, sweep it under the rug, sort of mentality. That should change. What highlighting these issues can do is keep companies honest.

    Do you think Sony would have just come out and publicly said "Oh, sorry we put rootkits on your hard drive. We realize now we shouldn't have done that and just wanted to divulge our horrible behavior. Here's how you clean it up." or when they were hacked and had to acknowledge the breadth and scope of their problem. No, they would have hid that unless they were called to task.

    This doesn't necessarily change the quality of the game. This can keep the spotlight on them and motivate them to take greater care with quality assurance. You don't have to abandon the game or publisher as a result, but you should expect them to treat you and your sub dollars with greater respect.

    Trion had some horrible security issues when they first launched. They were called to task and chose to be transparent about the issue. It garnered a lot more respect from their players and the press over the issue.

    Don't just give the company a pass because you love the game and wish there were no problems. Expect them to respect you as much as they demand you respect them.

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  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by Heretique
    Game is poorly designed, yes this should get more media attention because SE is doing things backwards. What's unethical is how SE treats their customers, this is just bad design and a flaw like this should of never seen the light of day.

    +1.

    I am glad i un subbed.

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  • AldersAlders Jack Burton'sPosts: 1,857Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    Seriously?  You are referencing a post in your forums that links to Reddit and calling it news?

    Whoa there Giraldo.

    SE knows about the exploit, confirmed on 10/1 on the Japanese forums.

     

    Trion had some horrible security issues when they first launched. They were called to task and chose to be transparent about the issue. It garnered a lot more respect from their players and the press over the issue.

     

    That exploit, much like this one, wasn't fixed until the player base got involved.  Hell, Trion even had the person that discovered that exploit show them how it was done.

    This exploit has been at least known for a month now, and possibly more.  It obviously wasn't getting fixed until the players got involved.

  • AlamarethAlamareth Cincinnati, OHPosts: 570Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    Seriously?  You are referencing a post in your forums that links to Reddit and calling it news?

    Whoa there Giraldo.

    SE knows about the exploit, confirmed on 10/1 on the Japanese forums.

    Then they should acknowledge on their NA forums as well. Transparency is better than not and instills confidence in their players that they are concerned and moving on the issue. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in complex software ecosystems. Squeenix has a very old guard, sweep it under the rug, sort of mentality. That should change. What highlighting these issues can do is keep companies honest.

    Do you think Sony would have just come out and publicly said "Oh, sorry we put rootkits on your hard drive. We realize now we shouldn't have done that and just wanted to divulge our horrible behavior. Here's how you clean it up." or when they were hacked and had to acknowledge the breadth and scope of their problem. No, they would have hid that unless they were called to task.

    This doesn't necessarily change the quality of the game. This can keep the spotlight on them and motivate them to take greater care with quality assurance. You don't have to abandon the game or publisher as a result, but you should expect them to treat you and your sub dollars with greater respect.

    Trion had some horrible security issues when they first launched. They were called to task and chose to be transparent about the issue. It garnered a lot more respect from their players and the press over the issue.

    Don't just give the company a pass because you love the game and wish there were no problems. Expect them to respect you as much as they demand you respect them.

    Not ignoring, but rather poking fun at this "news" article.  Your point about the communication between lead teams is valid.  It's a bad issue and the communication between JP and NOC_NA is wanting - at best.

    However, it doesn't forgive lazily researched information and/or needless fearmongering.  The official forums exist for a reason, to confirm or deny things like this.  It's been beaten to death on the NA forums alone, at least half a dozen threads all with the same picture.  Granted they lock the threads that specifically call out a player, but that is forum moderation SOP.

    Also, let's not mix security issues with exploits.  The existence of this specific exploit poses no risk to your account.

     
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Good points. This is a good start by mmorpg, but I would like to see them reach out to SE and push the issue a bit and report back even if it's a "no comment".
  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    Just fyi for everybody. ... I didn't know about it until I read it here. Do with that what you will.
  • VassagoMaelVassagoMael Covington, LAPosts: 555Member
    It is called journalism! Show the public problems that companies or governments are trying to hide is the base role of a journalist.

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  • spankybusspankybus Orlando, FLPosts: 1,154Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Laughing-man
    Originally posted by Grakulen
    This thread has most of the info about it already. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397896/page/1

    So what does MMORPG.com gain by bringing attention to a problem that is trying to be kept under wraps by the development?

    I'd say that's undermining their authority and their game.

    It's going to get more people to research this exploit (if it in fact is real) and actually abuse it. 

    I feel this article is unethical.

    Which should motivate SE to fix it faster, if it really is an issue.

     

    Covering things up seldom helps anybody.

     

    Hope its dealt with fast..because its making all my work feel like a complete joke.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon

     You could turn a blind eye all you want. But this entire "exploit" has been discussed already on the forums and the employees at mmorpg.com are slow to the coverage.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397896/page/1

     Not only are they slow to the coverage, but they stated that they won't disclose the information on how to do this is even though it has already been released on their website and has been on their website since 10/11/2013.

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  • AlamarethAlamareth Cincinnati, OHPosts: 570Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Good points. This is a good start by mmorpg, but I would like to see them reach out to SE and push the issue a bit and report back even if it's a "no comment".

    Right, because when I've already officially addressed an issue - I'd treat a 3rd party who declined to even read said address really kindly.

    I'd give the folks over at Massively a ton more attention....at least they research and have dedicated/paid columnists that focus on a limited set of games.
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