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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    It's pretty tragic to see how many ppl are ignorant ( by choice or just don't care ) to where this gold comes from. Apparently ppl have no issue with buying stolen property just as long as they don't have to see someone do it.

    What goes around comes around I guess.

    What stolen property? Aren't we talking about buying gold from cash shop operated by the devs?

     

     

     


    No... That would be like asking why someone spends money on a cosmetic item. The answer is obvious.

    Gold from "china" is stolen from other players accounts.

    The OP does not say it is about gold from "china" and MANY cash shop sell in-game currency.

    And how is it the same as spending money on a cosmetic item? Buying gold in a cash shop is more p2w, and even not, can change the in-game economy, while cosmetic items do not.

     

  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    By paying to skip parts of the game you don't like or to avoid long / boring grinds you are indirectly advocating that design.  Wouldn't a better use for your money be putting it toward games that don't have said "features"?

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elikal

     

    I don't mean that in an asshole way. Seriously. My dad was always honest, modest, hard working, never made a single day sick in his job. And many of his collegues were crooks and thieves and brown-nosers. And guess who always got the wager raises and better positions?

    It's true that just because you "work hard" are honest, put in your time, learn everything you can that you won't necessarily rise through the ranks.

    The reason that "the crooks, brown nosers, etc" rise through the ranks is that they are using a tool that is proven to work "networking".

    Heck, that's the whole idea behind "Linkedin".

    But you know what? You can also be a hard worker and put in your time, be honest and "still network". I realize that some might have disdain for this and it can seem slimy. I have a good friend who always got top grades, has an excellent academic pedigree but couldn't get a college position to save his life.

    I know others who also have good pedigrees but who work hard at making contacts, following up, "brown nosing" in some cases and yes they tend to get what they want.

    One doesn't have to cheat in order to get what they want. But ask yourself this: "who are you more likely to hire; the person you don't know but they have good stats on paper or the person you do know who you think can do the job"?

    In any case, bringing it more to "on topic" I think all the valid reasons to buy gold have been covered in the thread. And yes it comes down to devs putting something in the game they think will be satisfying but for many they would rather just pay and bypass it.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by dave6660
    By paying to skip parts of the game you don't like or to avoid long / boring grinds you are indirectly advocating that design.  Wouldn't a better use for your money be putting it toward games that don't have said "features"?

    Not if said games don't have the game mechanics or IP/setting that i like, and the F2P have them.

    Plus, i don't see games that do not have grinds. It is actually good to let the players decide what to avoid, instead of having a one size fit all design.

     

  • HarikenHariken Brighton, MAPosts: 985Member Uncommon
    I'VE done also and my reason was because i couldn't afford anything.  The first game i did this was wow. My character always had the crappiest gear. All from quest or if lucky drops. I finally just gave in to it. And don't forget to blame this on greedy players. Those AH prices come from them. So What you gonna do. 
  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Virginia, VAPosts: 2,131Member
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by GwapoJosh

    I feel sorry for people willing to sacrifice years from their life for money.. So sad.

    You do realize that's pretty much the definition of a "job", right?

    Not if you love your "job". 

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Virginia, VAPosts: 2,131Member

    If a game isn't enjoyable at a casual level (casual in the sense of time-commitment), then simply just quit the game and play a game that is actaully enjoyable given your time constraints.

     

    I stopped playing several games due to the realization that they are too time demanding. This is specially true about games where you need to participate for an event/spawn that only happens a specific time of the day. Games where daily quests are very important also makes me less motivated to play; so yeah qutting is always an option.

     

  • nottunednottuned st.paul, MNPosts: 92Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by nottuned

    my hobby is building model cars.

    I pay someone else to build em cuz it takes to much time and patience to build myself.

    I have a very nice collection. Merica

    Again, you are all still working on the premise that everyone or even a majority buy gold or items to bypass 'work'. I don't doubt that's the most convenient point to take a high ground on and argue against, but it isn't the only reason or even the main reason people buy things in MMOs. 

    You build model cars. That means you probably have bought some models that are exotic or rare. You may have bought collectible models that never leave the box. If you're like my buddy who builds model cars, you also have bought display stands and lighting for your models. 

    You probably also travel to hobby expos and conventions, too, right?

    nottuned, do you make your model cars from scratch with plastic, and metal ore? If not, you are already paid others to do part of the work for you.

    It is just a matter of degree.

    No, I pay people to do that for me, all of it.

    The only thing I do is brag to my friends at how good I am at building model cars.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

    If a game isn't enjoyable at a casual level (casual in the sense of time-commitment), then simply just quit the game and play a game that is actaully enjoyable given your time constraints.

     

    I stopped playing several games due to the realization that they are too time demanding. This is specially true about games where you need to participate for an event/spawn that only happens a specific time of the day. Games where daily quests are very important also makes me less motivated to play; so yeah qutting is always an option.

     

    This is what I think most people do.  They just stop playing. 

    The disconnect is between what these boards complain about and what actually happens. 

    Most people just stop playing.  The devs see those numbers stop playing and say, uh oh, the devs themselves then want to change the game.  The devs are chasing the casuals.

    These boards see it the other way around, that casuals are demanding change.  The casuals rarely come to the boards, they just stop playing.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • CrydexCrydex pacifica, CAPosts: 23Member Common
    Originally posted by bcbully
    It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

    Convenience.

  • OzivoisOzivois Phoenix, AZPosts: 598Member

    I never bought gold either but a few times when I leveled up tradeskills it can get expensive so if you want to level up tradeskills quickly and you don't have another character to "twink" the grind by sending your alt gold then I guess buying gold would be the answer.

     

    Otherwise, if you don't have the gold to buy crafting resources you would have to spend a lot of time gathering the resources by hand (killing certain mobs, harvesting nodes, etc.) which is exactly how I did it (and probably the intent of the game's design).

     

    Which brings me to a point to bring up: if these games didn't offer public auctions and forced players to trade goods manually (no bot-selling) then it would help minimize the gold farming.

  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    It's pretty tragic to see how many ppl are ignorant ( by choice or just don't care ) to where this gold comes from. Apparently ppl have no issue with buying stolen property just as long as they don't have to see someone do it.

    What goes around comes around I guess.

    What stolen property? Aren't we talking about buying gold from cash shop operated by the devs?

     

     

     


    No... That would be like asking why someone spends money on a cosmetic item. The answer is obvious.

    Gold from "china" is stolen from other players accounts.

    The OP does not say it is about gold from "china" and MANY cash shop sell in-game currency.

    And how is it the same as spending money on a cosmetic item? Buying gold in a cash shop is more p2w, and even not, can change the in-game economy, while cosmetic items do not.

     

    I'm not going to argue a red herring with you. If the money is going to the devs then it's part of the game...like it or not. If you're buying from an off site gold seller you're buying gold from someone that is stealing it from other players. If you're ok doing that....you're a pretty shitty person.
  • aspekxaspekx Brandon, FLPosts: 2,167Member
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    It's pretty tragic to see how many ppl are ignorant ( by choice or just don't care ) to where this gold comes from. Apparently ppl have no issue with buying stolen property just as long as they don't have to see someone do it.

    What goes around comes around I guess.

    What stolen property? Aren't we talking about buying gold from cash shop operated by the devs?

     

     

     


    No... That would be like asking why someone spends money on a cosmetic item. The answer is obvious.

    Gold from "china" is stolen from other players accounts.

    The OP does not say it is about gold from "china" and MANY cash shop sell in-game currency.

    And how is it the same as spending money on a cosmetic item? Buying gold in a cash shop is more p2w, and even not, can change the in-game economy, while cosmetic items do not.

     

    I'm not going to argue a red herring with you. If the money is going to the devs then it's part of the game...like it or not. If you're buying from an off site gold seller you're buying gold from someone that is stealing it from other players. If you're ok doing that....you're a pretty shitty person.

    i think a lot of folks forget that gold spammers are not always selling what they botted harvesting. quite a few are selling gold garnered from one source, and one source only, stolen accounts.

     

    as for a reason, a number of people i know that have done this have typically done it in a game with a top heavy population and bloated economy, simply to "catch up."

     

    not offering that as an excuse for them, but as a reason. while there may not always be an excuse, there is always a reason.

    "There are at least two kinds of games.
    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
    Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

  • DragimDragim Boring, KSPosts: 867Member

    I want to pose a question:  Is buying gold different than spending IRL cash on item shop items?

    Yes and No. 

    Yes it is different, because it flucks up the economy, (I am sorry but it does, especially in FFXIV, it has had an immense impact and I duno if it will ever be repaired.)

    Yes it is different, because usually buying item shop items means that the money goes into the companie's pockets, not into the economy.  Also, it isn't made using RMT/Bots/sweatshop-style work.

    No it is not different because you are paying IRL cash for pixels, A short cut.  Any way you slice it, you are spending extra cash on a game.  Buy an EXP booster for IRL cash?  "Thats Lazy" (air quotes for sarcasm).  Buy gil booster for cash. "Lazy".  Buy that super cool mount instead of raiding for it?  "Lazy".

    Either way...buying item shop items, buying Gil from gold sellers, you are taking a short cut.

    So..you buy an EXP scroll that "Saves You Time", that you otherwise might not have because you work/family all the time.  You buy in game gold because it "Saves You Time".

    ---

    Now my final example.

    Guild Wars 2.

    Guild wars 2, you can simply "Buy Gold" through the game.  "Hey let me exchange my 2000 gems for 50 gold."

    Ok ok before you cry FOUL!, I understand that people can also buy gems with gold, which makes it a 2 way street.  Gold goes in and out of the economy all the time keeping it "relatively stable."

    ---

    So yes, i hate gold sellers, they piss me off, it pisses me off to see people buy 1 million gil in FFXIV for $10, while I spent a month of hard crafting/marketing to get 1 million gil.

    On the other hand, I hate gold sellers, but I can understand why people would want to buy gil.

    If you do buy gil, please just don't buy a mega-ton. Because when you get banned for doing so, I don't want to hear you cry about it. Or cry about being hacked.  Or get me banned/my gil lost (like in FFXIV) because I sold you an item and you bought it with your IRL boughten gil.

    Also- when you buy tons of gil, then buyout everything in the marketplace, it really screws up the economy.  I don't have 300,000 gil to buy 1 item that should cost 100,000.  But it costs 300,000 because too many Gil buyers are driving up prices.

    Or...in FFXIV....Botters are mining items "auto-like" and putting tons and tons of them into the market for dirt cheap prices.  How can you compete with that which has no life?

    You gil buyers are then buying the botters items, which further drives down prices, making everyone poor and a top heavy United States type economy.

    I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,680Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nottuned
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by nottuned

    my hobby is building model cars.

    I pay someone else to build em cuz it takes to much time and patience to build myself.

    I have a very nice collection. Merica

    Again, you are all still working on the premise that everyone or even a majority buy gold or items to bypass 'work'. I don't doubt that's the most convenient point to take a high ground on and argue against, but it isn't the only reason or even the main reason people buy things in MMOs. 

    You build model cars. That means you probably have bought some models that are exotic or rare. You may have bought collectible models that never leave the box. If you're like my buddy who builds model cars, you also have bought display stands and lighting for your models. 

    You probably also travel to hobby expos and conventions, too, right?

    nottuned, do you make your model cars from scratch with plastic, and metal ore? If not, you are already paid others to do part of the work for you.

    It is just a matter of degree.

    No, I pay people to do that for me, all of it.

    The only thing I do is brag to my friends at how good I am at building model cars.

    And this is the reason why you can't have a meaningful discussion on the topic with the people who are against it. They have their assumptions, believe them as fact, and won't even attempt to rationally discuss anything that might contradict it. 

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,680Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

    If a game isn't enjoyable at a casual level (casual in the sense of time-commitment), then simply just quit the game and play a game that is actaully enjoyable given your time constraints.

    I stopped playing several games due to the realization that they are too time demanding. This is specially true about games where you need to participate for an event/spawn that only happens a specific time of the day. Games where daily quests are very important also makes me less motivated to play; so yeah qutting is always an option.

    This is what I think most people do.  They just stop playing. 

    The disconnect is between what these boards complain about and what actually happens. 

    Most people just stop playing.  The devs see those numbers stop playing and say, uh oh, the devs themselves then want to change the game.  The devs are chasing the casuals.

    These boards see it the other way around, that casuals are demanding change.  The casuals rarely come to the boards, they just stop playing.

    AAA +1 would read again image

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • iixviiiixiixviiiix GSPosts: 836Member Uncommon

    I buy gold because i need it and don't have time or don't have enough man power to get it from game.

    I never buy gold for my personal use but there are time i fund with my guild mates to buy gold to keep guild hall and other suit.

    Sometime you can't earn enough gold to use in game > RMT and buy gold.

     

    other case buy gold to keep they in game rank  because they hate to lost to other , they enjoy to stay in top and spend money to keep they seat

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    I can grind for 5 hours or I can work at my job for 10 mins and use that money to avoid the grind.

    Hmm... I wonder which one I'd choose; 5 Hours vs 10 mins

    Tough choice....

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    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • pierthpierth San Antonio, TXPosts: 1,503Member


    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    And this is the reason why you can't have a meaningful discussion on the topic with the people who are against it. They have their assumptions, believe them as fact, and won't even attempt to rationally discuss anything that might contradict it. 


    This is the problem I've found with every messageboard I've partaken in on the internet.

  • RenoakuRenoaku Posts: 1,005Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bcbully
    It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

    To answer you're question honestly.

    1.) Because buying gold is the way to progress faster in online MMO's take Dark Fall 1 for example, or World OF Warcraft which have been around for many years, or players are  able to farm up a lot of gold, well finally the auction house, or economy prices are so high that you're average newbie to the game can't afford top Tier level 20 gear and so on for their level 20 toon only the level 70's with alternate accounts can so the simple solution is to head over to a site and buy gold.

    The problem with buying gold however is that most games TOS its illegal, which I feel that Real Money Trading should be 100% legal in all MMO's.

    Real Money Trading should be at the players own expense and all trades in the game are final (X) Company will not interfere with such actions except those where players are doing illegal things such as (Spamming Chat) with RMT sales, or Botting in the game to illegally obtain money/gold. (This is the only time it should be illegal and offending sellers should be banned.)

     

    This is why Real Money Trading exists, if you take out all items from a game fix it so there is no auction house no way to trade items at all so the only way is a player can obtain items themselves everything 100% bound then there won't be a problem with RMT or gold sells.

    2.) Now you might think a solution is to increase the (Gold Drop) that a monster drops for lower levels or something, but all that really does in reality is the same thing that is happening in the U.S with government bail-outs basically it puts more gold into the economy for example in wow a level 10 murloc worth like 50 copper now worth 10 silver or something but the result is inflation it doesn't help the new players at all just makes it worse.

  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,145Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    I don't, but one of my guildmates in WoW bought gold a couple of times. Once was for the big mount with the vendor and smith on the back and the other time... I forget :)

    People will buy gold to buy in game items that cost in game currency, be it mounts, armors/weapons, mats, potions, high end items in the Auction House, what have you. There are many "guides" on how to make "easy gold" in almost any MMO, but many people just do not have the ability to follow them. Out comes the credit card to purchase what they want in the game.

    Does that help any?

    Agree fully with you. I never purchased any gold, would deny very idea why i play. But I admit I was tempted once just out of frustration when after months on trying to collect money for my first mount in one game I realized I will nover get to that ammount of money in honest way. Later left game. I'm not speaking of getting everything for free in any game ... but ingame prices (not even to mention that based on so called "economy" of ah) are many times so insane that are able to ruin all fun.

  • free2playfree2play Toronto, ONPosts: 1,869Member Uncommon

    People will always justify it. many people think it's all hand and glove anyway. Just another way for companies to make money. "Lets make time sinks really crappy and boring as shit so people will look for alternatives".

     

    Using bad content as a throttle is why gold farming can happen. When was the last time you saw someone buying gold in Lord of the Rings Online? Where you can literally farm 3 Gold an hour with a tier capped Farmer, just selling cook optional, herb loots you get to a vendor.

     

    Games use bad habits in their content and people use bad habits to combat it.

  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

    This is what I think most people do.  They just stop playing. 

    The disconnect is between what these boards complain about and what actually happens. 

    Most people just stop playing.  The devs see those numbers stop playing and say, uh oh, the devs themselves then want to change the game.  The devs are chasing the casuals.

    These boards see it the other way around, that casuals are demanding change.  The casuals rarely come to the boards, they just stop playing.

    AAA +1 would read again image

    Pretty much. Still, a minority of buyers make the invasion of games by farmers, spammers and account thieves possible.

    My computer is better than yours.

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,928Member Uncommon

    I have never bought gold in an online game.

    Hardcore gamers grind for stuff. They dont buy it.

    For me, RPG is about building up my character. Consequently, buying stuff just to skip the process would not make any sense.

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

  • KrimzinKrimzin Fort Worth, TXPosts: 545Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Psion33
    Originally posted by Krimzin   Originally posted by Psion33 Originally posted by bcbully It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 
        I despise the person buying the gold as much as I despise the person selling the gold. Now does that mean I wish he/she didn't have the option? No.    I have no problem with despising people. Yes, they can do what they want with their own money and I can cast any judgement about them as I want with no recourse and my chosen reaction is to despise them. Nothing at all wrong with it since it's a personal notion.   Jm2c. :)   EDIT: Someone told me the other day "bro, they just trying to make a buck." My response, "sucks to be them." :P (A chat we had in DCUO...but he didn't have a response lol.) That brings up another issue. Humanity in of itself doesn't care about one anohter if/when one's own needs are met. If one's needs are met it'd take a whole lot for someone to shift their thinking to another.
      Let me ask you a question. Do you have a good paying job.. Be honest. Most people who have the money could care less what other people do with their own money. People who don't have extra money tend to "despise" those who the ability to do something they don't. Just curious.
     

    I pay $0 in monthly bills other then $30/month for cell phone (which is entirely optional) and I sit on a $1100/month GI bill while going to college. Being a veteran I get free room and board on campus while receiving $1k a month play money...I don't know if that's "good paying" or not but I like the lifestyle.


    Being Ex Military myself, I get it. You have no bills and $1100 a month. Kinda like living in the barracks and eating on base.

    Realistically though, no $1100 a month to live on isn't that good.

    With that said, if you made 4k-6k or more a month.. would spending $20 on Gold be big deal? No, Its not.

    Yes, Ive done it a time or 2 in WoW, when I played. To me $20 is like going to lunch. Its nothing. So $20 vs 6-7hours of my time farming.. I would play $20 over the latter every time.

    Just because I'm a gamer doesn't mean I drive a Honda.


    It's an Orange thing
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