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Help me understand. Why do you buy gold?

bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,281Member Uncommon
It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAPosts: 2,365Member Uncommon

    I remember a time in Lineage 2 when I could not make gold on my own, it was a completely separate grind in a separate area of the game, and the leveling was such a giant grind at the time that anyone focusing purely on that missed out completely on the adena grinding. You had to have two accounts to make any decent money and even then it was making a margin of a profit off of a dwarf character sitting in town selling things for 2 to 5 more adena than you got them for, it was garbage unless you happened to be a very high level in a good clan who had bosses on farm and heroes, if you had that then you were an adena making machine. I had to buy gold at points just to be able to get gear to continue my leveling, just because gear was so insanely overpriced and the crafting took so many materials that I just didn't have the time to dump into every single aspect of the game. 

     

    Oh I forgot to add as well, back in the time when I bought gold, real item drops in Lineage 2 had maybe a 0.005% chance to happen, so in 3 years of playing from the launch I got maybe 2 real items that dropped both of which were complete garbage.

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member

    I don't, but one of my guildmates in WoW bought gold a couple of times. Once was for the big mount with the vendor and smith on the back and the other time... I forget :)

    People will buy gold to buy in game items that cost in game currency, be it mounts, armors/weapons, mats, potions, high end items in the Auction House, what have you. There are many "guides" on how to make "easy gold" in almost any MMO, but many people just do not have the ability to follow them. Out comes the credit card to purchase what they want in the game.

    Does that help any?

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member
    It's a simple matter of thinking only of oneself in the now, while ignoring or otherwise just not caring about the overall ramifications of participating in the real world to virtual world gold transaction system.  It is perhaps often coupled with a sense of personal insignificance; that is, if you don't buy it, one of thousands of other players will.  
  • DeathengerDeathenger atco, NJPosts: 463Member Uncommon
    because grinding resources/farming ad-nauseum sucks. I have bought gold many times. flame away
  • lufiazlufiaz HCM CityPosts: 106Member Uncommon
    I never buy gold but I guess some people may have too much money and too little time to do the pointless grind. If they can afford to throw a few hundreds buck to do away with the grind, more power to them. Now it's the publisher turn to stop those farmers or just go ballsy and ban both the sellers and buyers, no question asked.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,675Member Uncommon

    This was a big topic about 4 years ago, so if you decide to Google an answer to your question, adding "2009" will help you track down some good stuff. Some examples:

     

    One answer that rarely comes up when players talk about it is the fact that it's a hobby. As such, people like to buy extras for their hobby, and game gold is one of them. For many, it's as simple as that.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    One answer that rarely comes up when players talk about it is the fact that it's a hobby. As such, people like to buy extras for their hobby, and game gold is one of them. For many, it's as simple as that.

     

    it's a simple and elegant argument.

     

    my counter would be that this particular hobby is intended and best used in a slightly different way than what you describe.

     

    but then I realise most players ( I won't name any as I've had enough bans) don't really play MMOs the way they're designed to be played anyway so my argument becomes meaningless.

     

    Hell, I predict within the next 3 posts someone will question if an MMO really is 'designed to be played a certaian way" and 5 people will throw in generalities like "it's all about fun" with catchwords like 'bottom line', 'end of day' and 'simple as that'.

     

    so in light of all that, your argument becomes valid.

     

    non-mmo players playing MMOs will buy gold because they don't know any better...

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  • tmann50tmann50 CuencaPosts: 70Member

    Really simple answer there...Not every one can spend 50 hous a day gaming so they spend money to get items needed to compete. There are a lot of other ones but that is the most important one imho

     

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,675Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    One answer that rarely comes up when players talk about it is the fact that it's a hobby. As such, people like to buy extras for their hobby, and game gold is one of them. For many, it's as simple as that.

    it's a simple and elegant argument.

    my counter would be that this particular hobby is intended and best used in a slightly different way than what you describe.

    but then I realise most players ( I won't name any as I've had enough bans) don't really play MMOs the way they're designed to be played anyway so my argument becomes meaningless.

    Hell, I predict within the next 3 posts someone will question if an MMO really is 'designed to be played a certaian way" and 5 people will throw in generalities like "it's all about fun" with catchwords like 'bottom line', 'end of day' and 'simple as that'.

    so in light of all that, your argument becomes valid.

    non-mmo players playing MMOs will buy gold because they don't know any better...

    It's valid regardless of whether you feel they are playing wrong or not. You've seen enough bcbully posts to know that the spin is intention here. He asks about buying gold because he knows most posters here will assume 'illegal' or against the game rules. From the replies you can easily see that is the assumption here, despite EQ2, NWO, GW2 and many other games making it doable within legal means.

    Why do they do that? Because people like to spend extra for their hobby. 

    A LOT of people do. If they're enjoying it, they don't mind throwing more money at it. In none of the three games I mentioned, where one can legally get game funds, does it give a player any significant edge over other players. One is not suddenly a 'non-MMO player' or 'playing wrong' because they decided to buy a bunch of sparkly crap to hang off their avatar, and they most certainly don't have some kind of IWIN button either.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tmann50

    Really simple answer there...Not every one can spend 50 hous a day gaming so they spend money to get items needed to compete. There are a lot of other ones but that is the most important one imho

     

    No one can spend 50 hours a day gaming.

    I've purchased currency only to have it jump start me in a game that I had 100% intentionally planned to sell the account/items/currency when I was finished. Some do it to stay with the crowd, others do it to stand over them.

    Am I against RMT? Yes. Did I profit from it? Yes. Am I a hypocrite? Yes. Granted The only games I've dealt with RMT lately was D3 via the RMAH. It has become to dangerous an activity otherwise if you place value on your virtual items.

    From selling Tal Rashas Armor in the first weeks of D2:LOD to selling armor/adena/character in lineage 2.. its is mind boggling what people will spend to get ahead.

     

  • apocolusterapocoluster newport news, VAPosts: 1,321Member Uncommon
    coz Im lazy

    No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin

  • lukezlukez springfield, DCPosts: 11Member Common

    lets say you got a 40hour/week job...

    theres much less time to play then someone in college/school/unemployed.....

    so i could either spend the little time i have for games grinding money etc etc....

    or just go to any of the billion gold/money selling websites buy some for the fraction of time/money i would have to spend in a game...

     

    selling/buying gold does not inflate the ingame economy nor does it hurt anyone.... except maybe someones ego

  • KrimzinKrimzin Fort Worth, TXPosts: 545Member Uncommon

    I can only speak from my own opinion.

    People who buy gold are typically people who have disposable income. Someone who has disposable income typically has a good job so it limits the time they can play. They still want to keep up but don't have the time to farm gold and raid. So they buy gold to save time.

    I get it and could care less if they do. They work for their money and should be able to spend it how they like.

    I would rather someone work and buy gold then to be unemployed and have massive amounts of gold. Gold Buyer > Deadbeat any day of the week.

    Again.. Just my opinion.

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  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lukez

    lets say you got a 40hour/week job...

    theres much less time to play then someone in college/school/unemployed.....

    so i could either spend the little time i have for games grinding money etc etc....

    or just go to any of the billion gold/money selling websites buy some for the fraction of time/money i would have to spend in a game...

     

    selling/buying gold does not inflate the ingame economy nor does it hurt anyone.... except maybe someones ego

    Not sure where you get the idea that people in school have more time than someone working a 40 hour week job. It is quite the opposite, working I've had more time to play games, in school no time to play games.

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Krimzin

    I can only speak from my own opinion.

    People who buy gold are typically people who have disposable income. Someone who has disposable income typically has a good job so it limits the time they can play. They still want to keep up but don't have the time to farm gold and raid. So they buy gold to save time.

    I get it and could care less if they do. They work for their money and should be able to spend it how they like.

    I would rather someone work and buy gold then to be unemployed and have massive amounts of gold. Gold Buyer > Deadbeat any day of the week.

    Again.. Just my opinion.

    Yes it is your opinion and it isn't correct. I've had contact with many people who squandered their real cash for money. Some failed to pay rent, some had to use savings, others had to "pawn" their account. I've even known people who were suits that got landed in to trouble from dumping 10s of thousands of dollars in virtual goods.

    Many people don't have the money to spend on it but like what it does for them.

  • lukezlukez springfield, DCPosts: 11Member Common
    Originally posted by Aori

    Not sure where you get the idea that people in school have more time than someone working a 40 hour week job. It is quite the opposite, working I've had more time to play games, in school no time to play games.

    dont know some people call in experience....

     

    in school i had about 20-25hours/week.... i could easily skip a day or two per week and play in that time.... while in school i played EQ/DaoC and i played a lot...

     

    i work about 40hours/week now and i can barely play... okay theres more then just work/school..... but still in school i had much much more time to play then now....

  • weedman81weedman81 chicago, ILPosts: 15Member
    Originally posted by bcbully
    It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

    to feed the gold farmers and their families....

    ok, seriously, i mean why don't we wash our own cars, butcher our own meat... the list goes on and on...why pay for anything at all?  the people buy gold has looking at it as a chore, just different people has different view on video games and money in their life

  • VidirVidir GothenburgPosts: 944Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bcbully
    It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

    Well buy gold sounds not so good to me, but playing an mmo I would rather spend 10€ buying a magic carprpet than joining a raid 150 times with a 0.01% chance to get it if it even drops.

    So in that way f2p with cash shop is petter imo than p2p, you get your magic carpet when you want it not after months of frustration of never finding it.

    Now there is just a minor problem and that is for devs how to get people to stay playing their game.

  • lukezlukez springfield, DCPosts: 11Member Common
    Originally posted by Aori

    Yes it is your opinion and it isn't correct. I've had contact with many people who squandered their real cash for money. Some failed to pay rent, some had to use savings, others had to "pawn" their account. I've even known people who were suits that got landed in to trouble from dumping 10s of thousands of dollars in virtual goods.

    Many people don't have the money to spend on it but like what it does for them.

     

    i know people who pay thousands of dollars each month on cars/alcohol/cloth..... just because some people cant handle money....

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lukez
    Originally posted by Aori

    Yes it is your opinion and it isn't correct. I've had contact with many people who squandered their real cash for money. Some failed to pay rent, some had to use savings, others had to "pawn" their account. I've even known people who were suits that got landed in to trouble from dumping 10s of thousands of dollars in virtual goods.

    Many people don't have the money to spend on it but like what it does for them.

     

    i know people who pay thousands of dollars each month on cars/alcohol/cloth..... just because some people cant handle money....

    The point is, most people don't have the money they spend on virtual goods. Not sure what you're trying to say here, a good amount of people who spend thousands on cars, alcohol or cloth a month don't have that money either.

     

  • lukezlukez springfield, DCPosts: 11Member Common
    Originally posted by Aori

    The point is, most people don't have the money they spend on virtual goods. Not sure what you're trying to say here, a good amount of people who spend thousands on cars, alcohol or cloth a month don't have that money either.

     

    im trying to say what you just said... people who waste money they dont have arent limited to buying gold..... the gold seller is not responsible if you spend money you dont have... neither is a car dealer responsible if you buy a car you cant afford

  • crasset15crasset15 TallinnPosts: 183Member

    2 options:

    1) do i go to work for 10 hours, use the money I made to buy 50 gold in a game

    2) farm 50g ingame, doing extremely boring and repetitive actions for considerably longer than 10 hours, possibly 30-100 hours

    I don't buy gold, this is what I consider to be the mindset of the buyers.

    Buying gold is almost always more time efficient than farming it yourself. Reason being the source of that gold is mainly China so the prices are low. Most of my pc components have the label 'made in china' on them. Everyone takes advantage of cheap chinese labour, because doing it yourself is always gonna cost more in either time or money.

    If video games were banned in countries with wildly different income levels than the western world, most people would think twice before reaching for their credit card.

  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor FalkirkPosts: 222Member Uncommon

    Simple answer would be: Time & effort.

    Bought gold once (be it a rather large amount) because I had so many alts that to try and kit them all out with epic mounts (you can work out what game now) that it would have taken years of pure grind to get them sorted, so it was the simple option, buy gold, buy the mounts, play the game the way it was meant to be. ie. Raid and dungeon crawling. :)

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bcbully
    It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

    Really?

    So if I offered you 5 million dollars to write up a paragraph or two as to the possible reasons why someone would buy gold you would sit there slack jawed and throw up your hands?

    I think that makes less sense to me.

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by bcbully
    It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a profound paragraph to write, I just want to know why. Thanks in advance. 

    Really?

    So if I offered you 5 million dollars to write up a paragraph or two as to the possible reasons why someone would buy gold you would sit there slack jawed and throw up your hands?

    I think that makes less sense to me.

    Don't bring your seriousness into an entertainment thread!

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