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@ MMO Vets... plain and simple... its a damn good game.

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  • huskerman34huskerman34 Minneapolis, MNPosts: 249Member
    I guess everybody has there own opinion. Ive played 11 for years and this game by far is really good.  And its fun

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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member

    I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

    This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

    For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

    This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

    For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

    Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

    Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

  • ComafComaf Chicago, ILPosts: 1,154Member Common
    Originally posted by Tuchaka
    Appreciate the review and everything but sounds like pretty standard every MMO i have ever played type description

    Pretty much.  I really think they'd be better off just sticking with solo RPGs and perhaps add a multiplayer thing in there.  99% of gamers in all these copy paste games solo to end game anyway.

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  • Swedish_ChefSwedish_Chef of heroes, MSPosts: 213Member
    Originally posted by Aori
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

    This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

    For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

    Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

    Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

    Draconian death penalties, endless XP grinding, fighting with a horrible chat interface just to see if an NPC has a quest, camping a mob spawn for two weeks to complete said quest, having dungeon boss kills stolen, dying because of someone training mobs onto you, and poor zone design are incredibly deep apparently.

    While I may not approve 100% of certain design decisions in modern MMOs, I'm incredibly happy that the above 'features' have gone the way of the dodo. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

     

  • KajidourdenKajidourden Panama City, FLPosts: 620Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
    Originally posted by Aori
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

    This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

    For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

    Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

    Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

    Draconian death penalties, endless XP grinding, fighting with a horrible chat interface just to see if an NPC has a quest, camping a mob spawn for two weeks to complete said quest, having dungeon boss kills stolen, dying because of someone training mobs onto you, and poor zone design are incredibly deep apparently.

    While I may not approve 100% of certain design decisions in modern MMOs, I'm incredibly happy that the above 'features' have gone the way of the dodo. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

     

    ^ This.  Gotta love vague retorts.  H'es probably going to respond by saying "I wasn't talking about features i was talking about gameplay elements"  Well then it would help if you actually say something more.

    Also, lol @ expecting the depth of games around for 10+ years in a game that's been out less than 1.

  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomePosts: 3,543Member Uncommon

    The Yogscast made me realise that I will not play this game. They can be entertaining to watch sometimes if you can accept that they are notoriously bad at games.  This is usually also what entertains me.

    In FFAXIV they can chat all the time, troll each other , pay no attention half the time and still finish a dungeon without any problem. This can only be possible because that game's combat must be very slowpaced and easy. Defined holy trinity classes helps with that too ofc. And that silly GCD.

    Then there is the questhubs, fetch quests and complexity through obscurity. So no thanks.

    It looks nice though. But nice graphics isn't enough to make me want to play a game.

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon

    I found the game pretty plain, yes. And I would consider myself an MMO Vet (since UO in 1998). Too instanced, too traditional tabtarget hotkeycombat, too traditional questing system.

    If I wanted to play a WoW-like game I'd just play WoW. Plain and simple.

     

  • lafaiellafaiel harrisburg, PAPosts: 93Member
    Definitely a great game, starts out a bit slow but the fights get more and more complicated later on, the crafting is great  and it looks amazing.
  • amber-ramber-r londonPosts: 323Member

    I'm sorry but XIV is not a damn good game at all, it's bland and there are far better titles out there.

    This post reads more like a shill advertising than an actual player.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,916Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aori
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

    This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

    For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

    Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

    Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

    SWG had far more depth.... If you need I can explain...

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  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,874Member Uncommon

    I'm an MMO vet and I didn't find the game to be good at all.  TBH, I have never found the initial areas quite as boring in any MMO.

    But I'm glad you found something you enjoy.

     

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXPosts: 7,277Member Uncommon

    I will say, this rendition of FF XIV is a WELL MADE GAME.  A "good" game is subjective,  and I recently just bought it and have been playing it,  but to be honest, it feels tremendously traditional.   I think some things are a little more confusing then they should be,  and when you start a new character, you really are forced into a path if you want to do things.. "correctly".

     

    It doesn't mean I'm not having a good time,  but I will say its one of those things where you get to max level - maybe across all the classes and professions - and then you smile as you log out until theres an update or a level increase.

     

    Don't know why this was geared at MMO vets,  as a "vet"  I didn't find anything particularly special that will make me sub after the first month.

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  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Aori
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I also don't understand why you are targeting this at MMO vets? The game is well and truly designed for the post-WoW market, even if combat is old-school slow. Maybe you were specifically targeting older players with slow reaction speed.

    This game has none of the depth of older MMOs, as another poster said, the only currently active game for MMO vets is EVE. Sure the older games are still running, but their UIs and performance are well below par these days.

    For those of us who prefer fantasy themes, we will probably have to wait for Pathfinder or something for that old school depth.

    Oh please tell me what old mmo's had more depth? They were all pretty damn straight forward. I also love how the game plays, people with slow or no reaction speed will still be a detriment to their group members and themselves.

    Also saying EVE is the only game for MMO vets is ridiculous. I don't enjoy EVE and find FFXIV more my cup of tea currently. Granted I'm more PvP oriented, so if the PvP falls thru then I'll inevitably move on.

    SWG had far more depth.... If you need I can explain...

     A lot of good it did that game.

    Anyhoo if we're going off that era it is also saying FFXI, L2, EQ2, WoW had depth.. many will agree/disagree with any of these selections. So more or less nothings changed, opinions are opinions and people see what they want to see.

    But hey explain how SWG had far more depth.

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Virginia, VAPosts: 2,131Member
    Originally posted by someforumguy

    The Yogscast made me realise that I will not play this game. They can be entertaining to watch sometimes if you can accept that they are notoriously bad at games.  This is usually also what entertains me.

    In FFAXIV they can chat all the time, troll each other , pay no attention half the time and still finish a dungeon without any problem. This can only be possible because that game's combat must be very slowpaced and easy. Defined holy trinity classes helps with that too ofc. And that silly GCD.

    Then there is the questhubs, fetch quests and complexity through obscurity. So no thanks.

    It looks nice though. But nice graphics isn't enough to make me want to play a game.

    Can you link the video you are refering to? 

     

    Furthermore, you only care about combat in a MMORPG, right? Story and economy doesn't matter to you, right?

  • drivendawndrivendawn montgomery, ALPosts: 1,253Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by someforumguy

    The Yogscast made me realise that I will not play this game. They can be entertaining to watch sometimes if you can accept that they are notoriously bad at games.  This is usually also what entertains me.

    In FFAXIV they can chat all the time, troll each other , pay no attention half the time and still finish a dungeon without any problem. This can only be possible because that game's combat must be very slowpaced and easy. Defined holy trinity classes helps with that too ofc. And that silly GCD.

    Then there is the questhubs, fetch quests and complexity through obscurity. So no thanks.

    It looks nice though. But nice graphics isn't enough to make me want to play a game.

    Can you link the video you are refering to? 

     

    Furthermore, you only care about combat in a MMORPG, right? Story and economy doesn't matter to you, right?

    Bet they weren't doing hard mode titan or any of the other hard mode primals, or AK for that matter. In fact I bet it was a below lvl 30 dungeon.

  • marcustmarcust AdelaidePosts: 467Member Uncommon

    Paid my $30, played a marauder to just over level 10 and played around with fishing, cooking and smithing.

    I'll simply say, I did not like the game at all and don't plan to log in again.

     

    Too many invisible walls.

    Too many squeaky sounds.

    I hate how the tooltip bar is so large when you mouse over the attacks, if you are a clicker then this is really annoying.

    The maps are confusing, no need to be this bad.

    Way too many loading screens.

     

    The one thing I like about the game is the hunting log.

     

    Yes I only played the first levels, but it was truly horrible, very happy to go back to my Lotro.

     

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    Favourite games have been: UO, Lineage2, WoW, Darkfall, Lotro, GW2

  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon

    The game has its problems, that much is certain.  However, I can't stop the urge from logging in, clicking the < insert crafting class here >, and then spending the next few hours crafting.

    I haven't had this desire to login and play a game for quite a while.

    Crafting in this game is indeed an addiction...err, I mean a way of life! :)

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  • SomeOldBlokeSomeOldBloke Lancaster, UKPosts: 2,141Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rojo6934

    No matter how "good" an mmorpg is. It will never evolve or get better than the rest while the developers keep adding all the garbage filler side quests that make no sense in the game in order to help the player level up.

     

    Filler side quests need to die. The main story quest and main job quest line is fantastic, every other side quest is garbage. Just like every otehr mmorpg need to let them die.  Replace sidequests with giving experience by doing other things outside of "questing and fates".  The most ridiculous thing in the world is when the game treats you as a Hero who saved the world but you have to kill ten rats because the guards dont want to do their duties.

    I'm assuming these quests are the same for everyone, do decisions affect how they progress or is the ending always the same. If it's the same how am I developing my character, will I not be the same as everyone else? Story quest lines should not be part of an MMO, they should be left in SPRPGs unless your decisions along the way effect how you progress. Filler quests are fine as it gives you some money and exp but they need to do away with the '!' over the head. Just send you to a central location where you can grab what you need from a clerk behind a desk, or a mission terminal. When you outlevel a zone the clerk tells you to 'bog off' and go see his associate in the next town.

  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mbd1968
    Originally posted by rojo6934

    No matter how "good" an mmorpg is. It will never evolve or get better than the rest while the developers keep adding all the garbage filler side quests that make no sense in the game in order to help the player level up.

     

    Filler side quests need to die. The main story quest and main job quest line is fantastic, every other side quest is garbage. Just like every otehr mmorpg need to let them die.  Replace sidequests with giving experience by doing other things outside of "questing and fates".  The most ridiculous thing in the world is when the game treats you as a Hero who saved the world but you have to kill ten rats because the guards dont want to do their duties.

    I'm assuming these quests are the same for everyone, do decisions affect how they progress or is the ending always the same. If it's the same how am I developing my character, will I not be the same as everyone else? Story quest lines should not be part of an MMO, they should be left in SPRPGs unless your decisions along the way effect how you progress. Filler quests are fine as it gives you some money and exp but they need to do away with the '!' over the head. Just send you to a central location where you can grab what you need from a clerk behind a desk, or a mission terminal. When you outlevel a zone the clerk tells you to 'bog off' and go see his associate in the next town.

    For the main story, the only difference is your starting city and grand company.  Those have totally separate arcs, that still lead to the main arc.  Your choice is still directed, but you could arguably roll 3 characters and experience 3 separate "mini" stories for the City and GC.

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