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Originally posted by vmoped Originally posted by bexinh 4 classes are not enough imo. I prefer a game with diversity having as many classes as possible. That's why i love games like EQ. But as i understand having many classes the developer needs to balance them out which is really hard work, and i guess ppl dont like hard work.
There are so many various skill lines that class matters little in the end. From what has been released, classes comprise of 3 skill lines, plus there is racial, weapons (multiple), armor (multiple), guild (multiple), pvp, emperor, vampire (possibly), werewolf (possibly), with more to be added as the game develops.
I would rather have a game with fewer class options that allows me a great deal of customization than a game with many classes and little customization. ESO lets you build any class into any role you want. Mage can be a tank in any armor with any weapon, rogue can be a healer with any armor with any weapon, and guess what, you can swap roles with the swap of your weapon set (which also swaps your action bar).
Last I checked balancing more customization options is harder than balancing many classes. More customization means more possibility to min/max.
I've yet to play an MMO that has a class structure that was as appealing to me as what was available in EQ and EQ II. Not only did those games have very distinctive classes, but they were so much more than the 3 or 4 button mashing games of today. Why can't modern games give us all of the utility and fun abilities of the older games? Why do they insist on focusing primarily on damage and healing? Non-combat / flavor / silly abilities have become extinct in the modern MMO.
It's not just 4 classes... it is 4 base classes but within those base classes it's like 5 classes within, each with their own skills...
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I remember when i created a character in Morrowind and had to pick from a bagillion archetypes. Now you have a more modern TES game turned into an mmo and all you get is 4 classes?
It is very good that you can wear any type of armors and use any type of weapons but THAT IS NOT a reason to reduce class archetypes to 4. The fact that there will be classes in the game despite all the flexibility, it means that you can build a specific class and benefit form that class' stats. It needs more classes.
THe more i read about TESO the more i want to stay with the single player side of the franchise.
4 classes per faction? Or, are they saying each faction will have the same 4 classes? Confused here, I assumed we were following the Dark Age of Camelot model where classes weren't copied between factions.
This will turn into the Rift "classless" system then, where people just played whatever was OP'd until the next patch. Perhaps I misread?
We are supposed to be getting 3 factions.
Each faction has a set number of classes that are NOT repeated in the other realms (hence immersion, choice, variability, a sense of uniqueness, oh and RPG).
Am I wrong in this?
^^ adding to what I just posted.
Are they saying each REALM has the same The Dragon Knight, Sorcerer, Night Blade, and Templar? Matt Firor (of Dark Age of Camelot) should know better. Dark Age of Camelot had three realms too: and some 44 classes and 24 races. At least half of that was available at release with a staff of 30 employees and as much money as a low end kickstarter.
Originally posted by Comaf ^^ adding to what I just posted. Are they saying each REALM has the same The Dragon Knight, Sorcerer, Night Blade, and Templar?
Yes. Each realm has the SAME four classes.
Why why why not simply port Skyrim skill advancement to MMO? Or Oblivion? Or Morrowind? Any of them?
With all these supposed skills, can I play a magic-wielding, two-handed hammer bashing, heavy armor wearing War Mage? Or how about a Stealth Priest?
It seems like they just have 4 different "classes" who have a few minor differences but essentially all do the same thing. I guess that makes class balance a non issue since you dont really have but one class to begin with.
Originally posted by Drakephire "But the decision to link at least some character differentiation to class is probably linked to the fact that classless systems have never been widely accepted by the mass market gamer ESO hopes to attract with the Bethesda IP." Bill, you mean that mass market gamer that originally bought Skyrim? That mass market gamer? Naw...they'd HATE a classless, skill-based system......
I would rather blow my brains out than play Rift's "classless" system. The amount of mediocrity and boredom that ensues from such a creation is, well, probably why no one cares.
Originally posted by Comaf Originally posted by Drakephire "But the decision to link at least some character differentiation to class is probably linked to the fact that classless systems have never been widely accepted by the mass market gamer ESO hopes to attract with the Bethesda IP." Bill, you mean that mass market gamer that originally bought Skyrim? That mass market gamer? Naw...they'd HATE a classless, skill-based system......
Odd, I find their 4 class system far more interesting than WoW's pick a class and your done system. My personal favorite take on classes and skill trees is PoE, but that isn't an MMORPG. Really it all comes down to how much depth and customization it has, and how many of the choices are viable. And I don't mean viable just for end game raiding, I mean can you make a viable build that is optimal for your playstyle and activities in the game you enjoy that is completely different from somebody else.
I have no problem with 4 classes if it means that they are only about making certain skills easier to learn. Like in Skyrim with the guardian stones. In that game you still have all skills available, but a faster learning bonus for skills depending on the blessing you took.
Also, having all abilities available to every player doesn't have to mean that all players end up with all skills. Again, look at Skyrim how it works there.
In the case of ESO if I understand correctly, you have loads of skills to chose from within each class. And being able to progress those skills that you prefer. This kind of falls in line with the Elder Scrolls game. So I don't see what the problem is with 4 classes if there is this much diversity in each class.
How much time, till it become FTP.. not much.
Originally posted by dreamsofwar It only has 4 classes? Sounds like some low budget Asian mmo (which isn't trolling, I know it isn't). As a western MMO and a high budget, high profile one at that, I'd expect at least 6? Preferably 8.
At least 8, unless they know for a fact that they will be adding more later.
Originally posted by nerovipus32 4 classes for a high budget game is a disgrace. What's the point in having classes at all with the way they are doing things? This game is just trying to appease everyone. CASHGRAB!!!!
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4 classes is 4 to many classes, it should have been a classless system...
if you want to be tank, healer or CC, you only have one viable choice as each of those classes gives a distinct advantage to one of those trinity roles. And while you can be a healing sorcerer you will allways trail the healing performance of the templar
so basically they ruined what made elder scrolls so special by adding classes...
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