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My thoughts exactly. Most of these "F2P" games could learn from Rift concerning truly free.
People like these are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free or I'm entitled to live for free is a joke. Nothing is free get a job or ask your mom for $15 or stop eating at mcds twice a month. How can people have this sad mentality?Just so you know, hero:
I am a retired professional, my Mom died in 1997 and I boycott McDonalds because they have pathetic service. Now, back to gaming information:
I prefer F2P because I don't sit at a computer hours on end wasting my life on video games. I log into a game a total of about 5 hours a week. So, F2P is best for me. But, I buy currency cards for the games that I play so that I can buy in game items at my convenience. I support my games via in game cards, but I cannot justify a subscription because I am not into wasting my money on something that I rarely use.
OK hero...so you think less than $1/hr of entertainment is to much? I don't have an issue with those who understand that f2p doesn't mean the entire game every feature is free. These are companies they have employees they need to pay they want to make money its fairly simple actually. In swtor you can play from 1-50 for free I'd say that's pretty good for the freeloaders.Let's see:
You can't craft for free, you can't wear purple items for free, you can't send credits to alts for free, you can't contact customer service for free (this is absurd!), etc... I could go on, but I am seeing that you are going to defend it anyway. So, go play your game if it's so awesome and quit trying to defend it here.
And, your "we gotta pay our employees" logic doesn't work since MMO companies consistently claim that F2P is more profitable than subscriptions. Also, if I am paying $1 an hour for my entertainment, why would I want to donate the remaining $10 that I don't use???
Ah being retired I see you forgot how to do math. You said I play 5hrs a week. 4 weeks a month equals 20hrs. So you pay $15 for 20hrs not sure where your extra $10 comes from. Hey guess what you still can play to 50 without paying not my issue if a player is to cheap and can't put on purple. I'm not defending f2p I pay for my entertainment. I'm just saying how people with the not free enough or I'm entitled to the entire game for free like yourself are a joke and what's wrong with MMOs and society.was a nice try and i agree with everything,except.... WoW is NOT a sandbox game
My thoughts exactly. Most of these "F2P" games could learn from Rift concerning truly free.
People like these are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free or I'm entitled to live for free is a joke. Nothing is free get a job or ask your mom for $15 or stop eating at mcds twice a month. How can people have this sad mentality?Just so you know, hero:
I am a retired professional, my Mom died in 1997 and I boycott McDonalds because they have pathetic service. Now, back to gaming information:
I prefer F2P because I don't sit at a computer hours on end wasting my life on video games. I log into a game a total of about 5 hours a week. So, F2P is best for me. But, I buy currency cards for the games that I play so that I can buy in game items at my convenience. I support my games via in game cards, but I cannot justify a subscription because I am not into wasting my money on something that I rarely use.
OK hero...so you think less than $1/hr of entertainment is to much? I don't have an issue with those who understand that f2p doesn't mean the entire game every feature is free. These are companies they have employees they need to pay they want to make money its fairly simple actually. In swtor you can play from 1-50 for free I'd say that's pretty good for the freeloaders.Let's see:
You can't craft for free, you can't wear purple items for free, you can't send credits to alts for free, you can't contact customer service for free (this is absurd!), etc... I could go on, but I am seeing that you are going to defend it anyway. So, go play your game if it's so awesome and quit trying to defend it here.
And, your "we gotta pay our employees" logic doesn't work since MMO companies consistently claim that F2P is more profitable than subscriptions. Also, if I am paying $1 an hour for my entertainment, why would I want to donate the remaining $10 that I don't use???
Ah being retired I see you forgot how to do math. You said I play 5hrs a week. 4 weeks a month equals 20hrs. So you pay $15 for 20hrs not sure where your extra $10 comes from. Hey guess what you still can play to 50 without paying not my issue if a player is to cheap and can't put on purple. I'm not defending f2p I pay for my entertainment. I'm just saying how people with the not free enough or I'm entitled to the entire game for free like yourself are a joke and what's wrong with MMOs and society.And, people like you are another reason why I don't play WoW or SWTOR anymore. I love the one's that defend an "awesome" game instead of playing it.
I never said it was awesome or perfect or the greatest game ever made. And I can't play it at work you know where people go so they can afford that whopping <$.50/hr of entertainment (I put in about 10-20hrs a week of the game).I was there at launch, swtor didn't really hit my expectations. I'm a big star wars fan, but for me because of all the issues the franchise doesn't really hit the spot with this one... Just voicing my experience mate
Its called Line Of Site aka LOS. I understand playing a game for 5min makes you an expert but I only have your so called issue when I can't see the target I'm attacking or healing because a tree, building or vehical is in my way. Probably best for you to go back to whatever game you used to play cause this is clearly nothing more than a ....post.I was there at launch, swtor didn't really hit my expectations. I'm a big star wars fan, but for me because of all the issues the franchise doesn't really hit the spot with this one... Just voicing my experience mate
Hey no problem mate this post I can understand and have no issue with it. But your prior post about DL and seeing these issues seemed a little odd. Well another poster is posting a video showing no delay, I experience no delay people I play with never mention a delay so its either los issues, your connection, or another made up issue from the haters.I have created the below mentioned thread for the VIDEO SHOWING ZERO DELAY, simply because this thread has derailed enough and because this title has nothing to with it. Kindly read what i had to say before viewing the video.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397350
I'm downloading the game right now to give it another shot.
I'm another ex-vet who played for 2 months after release but my pvp guild moved on because of tremendous skill lag and the abomination that was Ilum.
I've watched your video and have to say, that's not really the situation that revealed the skill lag. It happened mainly in the arenas such as Huttball.
I swore never to have this game on my hard drive again after that, but time is a healer so I'll take a look and see how things have improved.
Ok, I'm obviously going to give it more time and the game is still downloading assets, but my character has no head. That doesn't exactly scream polish
The video i recorded was on Imperial Fleet Instance 2 having 170 people on the small station at that point (you can see the number in my video on left side bottom). If that wouldn't show up any delay caused by the server or devs, then you can be sure nothing else in the game well.
Ilum was an abomination just like you said, it had things which the engine couldn't handle and hence was removed promptly.
As for your missing head while downloading the game, i will definitely sue the devs over that
I meant two starting zones and one leveling path for each side. Starting zones: one for jedis, one for non jedis on the Republic, one for sith and one for non sith on the Imperial. Sure, things are peppered with different flash points between the two sides but the flash points even seem same-y despite. I am not meaning to bash, it is great the first time through on both Republic and Imperial sides but after that it gets a bit stale. Since the heritage aspect of the game is there to make lots of alts, it defeats the purpose because it is not like in WoW for example where you have many different leveling paths and starting areas. In comparison you have the troll, goblin, orc, undead, tauren, blood elf, death knight and now the pandaren areas just if you play Horde alone. By level ten there are three main routes in the 1-60 zones that seem to go down to just one leveling path at 60 to roughly 65 when you get two leveling paths again for the Horde. It stays at two until Pandaria. It is true that WoW has the same dungeons whether you play Horde or Alliance, but there are many, many more dungeons than ToR has flashpoints.
I think that on the contrary they could have done a less linear leveling route by using the planets to their benefit in ToR. If they can bring people back to old planets to do bonus content, I don't see why they couldn't open more areas at other levels so that people have more choice.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
Hee hee, brings back memories of the headless atroxes in Anarchy Online.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
So to sum it up:
This game isn't anywhere near the Messiah of the genre that it was supposed to be.
In fact, it's mediocre at best.
All we can hope for is SWG pre cu v.2. That's our only hope.
I dont think "who cloned WoW the most" contest helps here ;P
Well, RIft never hid it, and ex BW doctor said that "WoW is standard and if you deviate youre stoopid"
Bith games are where they are today though, thats what matters the most. Those who like em can still play them, but they are basically failed games. SWTOR much more than RIft though. (and yes you can still like a failed game, just look at Vanguard)
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
And yet, when Blizzard charges 150+ USD for their games + expansion but doesn't allow you to even log-in without a sub, it's fine right? I mean, it's WoW after all.
Just an FYI, WoW charges $30 USD for an expansion with an included month sub, ROTHC + 1month sub were available for $25. People who didn't want to buy the sub were charged $19.99 for only ROTHC.
What is this? WoW fans vs SWTOR fans? Get a grip people. I played both games extensively and both of them came out a big disappointment. They didn't turn out to be the game I was expecting them to be : a MMO world that actually feels "alive" and not static, competitive group content, loads of sandbox features and for that you need great pvp also.
No "hold hands, let me walk you through the whoooooole content" mentality" .
They both failed in my opinion, I don't care how much money they make. The only MMO developer that I have seen so far that shows the right mentality in order to make a proper MMO, is Carbine with Wildstar. Even though I m not a fan of the cartoony style, they've shown so far that they understand what is missing and what was lost in the MMO genre. Let's hope they ll deliver.
As for SWTOR it will remain a good but not awesome game that will be truly meant for star war fans. After 2 years of watching what EA and Bioware did with SWTOR my hopes for this game to achieve that MMO greatness are extremely low.
I know what is wrong with you people! I DOOOO! You want a GREAT MMO to sink your heads in but unfortunely there is none at the moment. Not for the old school WoW players at least. So relax and wait for that big one to come because it will.
I find your post mildly amusing tbh, you shout out for sandbox like mmo's and then you go onto saying that Wildstar will deliver whats lost in the MMO genre? its about as themepark as it can get, and yes I speak from experience.
And then you go onto calling out oldschool WoW players as the ones waiting? I doubt very much oldschool WOW players are waiting for a sandbox game.
The only important thing about your post is "game I was expecting them to be", keyword "I".
Well none of this would have happened if the haters wouldn't have come pouring. It was just a thread about the upcoming patch 2.4. I mean i too don't like FFXIV but i haven't made it my business to go to each and every thread and tell people how much of a failure the game is, with false facts. There are people who enjoy the game so let them. Why ruin their fun with all the nonsense?
I did play Rift but didn't notice the skill correlation. All I noticed about Rift combat (at launch) was that it was spamming builders then using combo skills. A lot like Rogue combat in WoW I guess, but not that similar to other classes. Rift is a bit different now, most classes seem to have their own style.
On another note I do agree that SWTOR has improved a lot over the past year or so, the main gripe I have with the game is they call it f2p, while their f2p is too restrictive to be called real f2p in my mind.
I think of it more as an extended trial, because if you wanna really get somewhere in SWTOR you pretty much need to subscribe.
I've said it many times and will say it again. These people with the not free enough are what's wrong with MMOs and society in general. This I'm entitled to play for free is a joke. Free trail? Your right you can only play the entire original game from 1-50. You get to take part in the best story of any mmo on more then one toon even. Yes I see how that is a free trial. You could ask your mom for $15 or not goto MCD twice a month. Then if you played 3.5 hrs a week that would equal about $1/hr of entertainment not sure how people can qq that any game is not free enough.Would you calm down? Jesus... I stated how I view it when compared to other games free to play model, no need to go all crazy about it. If you cannot cope with people having an oppinion on forums meant for discussion, you might not wanna visit the forums.
You say this is whats wrong with MMO's? you think you are helping by throwing a fit whenever you disagree with someone?