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Interview with VideoGamer.com

keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon

Nothing really new here, but it does touch on some of the more recent topics around why they went with subs, 3 faction PVP, target market, etc. I thought it was a pretty good interview.

http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/the_elder_scrolls_online_interview_everything_you_need_to_know_about_the_game.html

 

There Is Always Hope!

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  • GrunimGrunim Seattle, WAPosts: 143Member Uncommon
    Thanks for posting the link, but their site appears to be down now.   Do you recall what they said the target market is for ESO?
  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Grunim
    Thanks for posting the link, but their site appears to be down now.   Do you recall what they said the target market is for ESO?

    I just tried the link again and it works, but I copied that part of the interview for you anyway. :-)

     

    VG: So would you say your main audience is going to be The Elder Scrolls fans or people that already play MMORPGs?

     

    NK: We absolutely want both. All the way along the development process we’ve been very aware of the fact that there are these two groups. And of course there are also people that play both, but there are a set of people that have only played single-player Elder Scrolls games and this might be their first MMO experience.

     

    VG: So you know how to lure in the singleplayer guys. You can say Elder Scrolls with friends and you’ll have their attention. What about those people that have only played MMOs within the same genre. What convinces them that TESO is worthwhile?

     

    NK: It’s interesting to hear that switch. For such a long time we were actually a little bit more worried about the opposite. Like, are we doing enough to support The Elder Scrolls players? But I think it’s safe to say that during the last year, we’ve made some pretty significant pushes to ensuring that there are more Elder Scrolls things included. Things like adding the compass, putting in the first-person mode. Important parts of the franchise. As we’ve done that, the game has felt more and more like Elder Scrolls. That being said, it’s not like we’ve abandoned all the original goals: providing a social experience, providing a significant amount of end-game for every style of play - solo, group PvE, PvP. Those all a part of the game.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,415Member Uncommon

    Was amused by the comment from the original interview site.....  

    "The more I see of this game it just seems to be a bland MMO with the elder scrolls name attached."

     

    While trying to appeal to everyone they will water down each aspect to the point of being lackluster.   So sad.

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • xanthmetisxanthmetis Racine, WIPosts: 135Member
    Has structured pvp/battleground type pvp been mentioned?

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  • GrunimGrunim Seattle, WAPosts: 143Member Uncommon

    Thank you kindly for the excerpt, keithian.  The net can be a strange place and for some reason no pages for VideoGamer.com will load for me. 

     

    Reading about their target audience being for both TES players and MMO players reminded me that this game might be the first MMO experience for some folks.    I'm looking forward to seeing how this grand experiment turns out.

  • alterfenixalterfenix Bielsko-BialaPosts: 343Member Uncommon
    Honestly still hopefully they will invest more into TES fans than MMO crowd (as in ppl that never played any TES game yet they stick with MMO games). if they do just that then this might work out well. If they don't then the whole speech about enough room for another MMO might be quickly proven to be incorrect.
  • TealaTeala SomewherePosts: 7,430Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by Grunim
    Thanks for posting the link, but their site appears to be down now.   Do you recall what they said the target market is for ESO?

    I just tried the link again and it works, but I copied that part of the interview for you anyway. :-)

     

    VG: So would you say your main audience is going to be The Elder Scrolls fans or people that already play MMORPGs?

     

    NK: We absolutely want both. All the way along the development process we’ve been very aware of the fact that there are these two groups. And of course there are also people that play both, but there are a set of people that have only played single-player Elder Scrolls games and this might be their first MMO experience.

     

    VG: So you know how to lure in the singleplayer guys. You can say Elder Scrolls with friends and you’ll have their attention. What about those people that have only played MMOs within the same genre. What convinces them that TESO is worthwhile?

     

    NK: It’s interesting to hear that switch. For such a long time we were actually a little bit more worried about the opposite. Like, are we doing enough to support The Elder Scrolls players? But I think it’s safe to say that during the last year, we’ve made some pretty significant pushes to ensuring that there are more Elder Scrolls things included. Things like adding the compass, putting in the first-person mode. Important parts of the franchise. As we’ve done that, the game has felt more and more like Elder Scrolls. That being said, it’s not like we’ve abandoned all the original goals: providing a social experience, providing a significant amount of end-game for every style of play - solo, group PvE, PvP. Those all a part of the game.

    Yes, adding a compass to the UI, and first person mode makes it a TES game.   ::rolls eyes::

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xanthmetis
    Has structured pvp/battleground type pvp been mentioned?

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this type of PVP is their focus for launch. Their focus is more 3 faction open AVA PVP in Cyrodill.

    Here is what I found. Source is Tamriel Foundry

    Campaigns

    • PvP comprises a major portion of endgame content in TES:O, with a mix of open-world AvA and instanced arenas. No one will be forced to PvP if they do not wish to do so, PvP participation is purely voluntary either by entering a battleground or Cyrodiil.(GI1),(GI10)
    • The focal point of PvP in TES:O is the war between the three player factions in the central province of Cyrodiil. This entire province is the stage for endgame PvP, and its geographic map is inspired directly from that used in TES4: Oblivion. The full size of the playable area of Cyrodiil is even (slightly) larger than the landmass portrayed in Oblivion, all Cyrodiil's major geographic landmarks and points of interest are present and will be immediately recognizable to fans of Oblivion.(GI1),(TF1)
    • The three faction system is designed to naturally balance and lend political intrigue to the persistent PvP endgame. If any one faction becomes too powerful, the other two factions naturally tend to work together to turn the tide of battle.(GI1),(GI3)
    • Players may begin participating in Cyrodiil from level 10 onwards. Players who are below level 50 recieve "battle-leveling" which enhances their attributes so they may participate and contribute to the alliance war. Battle-leveled players do not recieve the full complement of abilities, perks, or gear that a naturally leveled player would have, therefore a strong incentive to level and optimize your character remains present.(TF1)
    • Because of the megaserver technology, Cyrodiil needs to be separated into multiple instances. However, instead of random assignment of players, ZeniMax recognizes the importance of having static PvP communities for the sake of rivalry and investment in the state of the realm war. Therefore, players are assigned (or may select) a "campaign", which is a permanent parallel version of Cyrodiil's realm war to which they belong. Campaigns will be named after the major cities in the region.(TF1)
    • Campaigns are designed to accomodate approximately 2,000 concurrent players each. The number of active campaigns will be adjusted to compensate for overall server population if necessary.(TG1)
    • Guilds can collectively select a Cyrodiil campaign, and players will be able to switch campaigns, however this will impose some meaningful alliance point cost. However, you are prohibited from having characters from different factions in the same campaign.(TF1)
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which is the crowning facet of TESO's gameplay.(TF1)
    • Players from the same alliance may duel each other within the boundaries of Cyrodiil.(MR2)

    There Is Always Hope!

  • DrakephireDrakephire Fontana, CAPosts: 445Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arglebargle

    Was amused by the comment from the original interview site.....  

    "The more I see of this game it just seems to be a bland MMO with the elder scrolls name attached."

     

    While trying to appeal to everyone they will water down each aspect to the point of being lackluster.   So sad.

    exactly my thought

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon

    Thanks alot for the link. Konkle always gives us the good stuff. I am very happy with several pieces of information that came out of this interview:

     

    First and foremost- Unrestricted (non-member) guild trading is confirmed. This is a HUGE relief for me. I was really worried I'd have to join guilds every time I had to trade. Now we know public guild stores are possible.

     

    Second- Thieves guild, Dark Brotherhood, Stealing/Justice system are all confirmed as updates. We kind of knew this already but it's comforting to know they're working on it.

     

    Next- Dueling is likely to be added in the future. I'm extremely pleased to hear this since sometimes I may be in the mood for PvPing 1 vs 1 with my buddy, or just want to avoid large-scale battles.


    Then- I like the way filled soul gems are needed to revive. That totally fits with Elder scrolls.

     

    The only major feature from TES they haven’t done, and which was already explained by them in the past, was pickpocketing. I still do hope they consider at least adding pickpocketing of NPCs at some point- that's always fun.

     

    So overall It looks like several things are going in the right direction. My largest criterion is still "Does it feel like I'm playing Skyrim/ Elder Scrolls?" which only time will tell. But nice to know they've been addressing that very question.

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  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arglebargle

    Was amused by the comment from the original interview site.....  

    "The more I see of this game it just seems to be a bland MMO with the elder scrolls name attached."

     

    While trying to appeal to everyone they will water down each aspect to the point of being lackluster.   So sad.

    That's a legitimate concern I hold as well but it's not necessarily true-- we won't know until we see the game the action.

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  • SleepyfishSleepyfish Ashville, NCPosts: 363Member
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by Grunim
    Thanks for posting the link, but their site appears to be down now.   Do you recall what they said the target market is for ESO?

    I just tried the link again and it works, but I copied that part of the interview for you anyway. :-)

     

    VG: So would you say your main audience is going to be The Elder Scrolls fans or people that already play MMORPGs?

     

    NK: We absolutely want both. All the way along the development process we’ve been very aware of the fact that there are these two groups. And of course there are also people that play both, but there are a set of people that have only played single-player Elder Scrolls games and this might be their first MMO experience.

     

    VG: So you know how to lure in the singleplayer guys. You can say Elder Scrolls with friends and you’ll have their attention. What about those people that have only played MMOs within the same genre. What convinces them that TESO is worthwhile?

     

    NK: It’s interesting to hear that switch. For such a long time we were actually a little bit more worried about the opposite. Like, are we doing enough to support The Elder Scrolls players? But I think it’s safe to say that during the last year, we’ve made some pretty significant pushes to ensuring that there are more Elder Scrolls things included. Things like adding the compass, putting in the first-person mode. Important parts of the franchise. As we’ve done that, the game has felt more and more like Elder Scrolls. That being said, it’s not like we’ve abandoned all the original goals: providing a social experience, providing a significant amount of end-game for every style of play - solo, group PvE, PvP. Those all a part of the game.

    Yes, adding a compass to the UI, and first person mode makes it a TES game.   ::rolls eyes::

    Typically when they start sounding less like game developers and more like door to door vacuum salesmen is when you really really need to worry. I always got the feeling during the TOR interviews that they were trying to sell me life insurance.

  • ZandilZandil templestowePosts: 234Member Uncommon

    VG: You’ve recently announced a subscription model for TESO. Why did you opt to go with that model, rather than a free-to-play setup?

    NK: I think it comes down to the fact that it’s what felt right for the IP. With free-to-play your always thinking about gates to different content. Like okay, now we’ve got to hit this situation where players will want to pay more, because they didn’t need to pay initially. Elder Scrolls is very much about open-world exploration, doing and finding things. If you’re constantly getting into situations where you’ve say, found a cool item and then you need to pay $0.50 to unlock it or whatever, it just wouldn’t feel right. Instead we wanted to the player to be able to pay up front and now you can do anything you want to do with unlimited restrictions. The subscription made sense.

     

    I 100% agree with their answer to why they went the sub model.

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  • xanthmetisxanthmetis Racine, WIPosts: 135Member
    Originally posted by keithian
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which

    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.

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  • SleepyfishSleepyfish Ashville, NCPosts: 363Member
    Originally posted by xanthmetis
    Originally posted by keithian
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which

    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.

    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing. 

    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want. 

    I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sleepyfish
    Originally posted by xanthmetis
    Originally posted by keithian
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which

    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.

    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing. 

    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want. 

    I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 

    lol thats such a ridiculous last sentence regarding "they know will bomb". First, you can read their mind how? I want to know that trick. I want to be an Xman too lol. 

    2nd, for every whiner that wants Battlegrounds, you will have an equal amount that claim battlegrounds is what has destroyed real PVP to cater to casuals and ultimately destroyed games like Warhammer which is all I used to hear when I was playing that game. 

    Finally, they never said they won't do battegrounds, its just not their focus at launch..thank god...so hopefully they can focus on more important aspects.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by xanthmetis
    Originally posted by keithian In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which
    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.

    if you like open world pvp and not just newb ganking, i think this game's pvp could deliver.

    there is more to cyrodiil than just zerging keeps thankfully.

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Sleepyfish
    Originally posted by xanthmetis Originally posted by keithian In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which
    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.
    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing. 

    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want. 

    I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 


    first of all, TESO will not bomb lol

    if you actually think that you are pretty delusional as this game will sell like hot cakes just by name alone and the fact its on the consoles.

    i have never played it but i will go out on a limb and say it will have more overall sales than any other mmo post wow

    secondly, hell no there doesn't need to be arena or structured pvp, that is the wow player talking lol

    i assure you that pvp can and has survived in mmo's without structured pvp content lol what a ridiculous and inaccurate statement to make.

    cyrodiil will be a huge open world pvp area with pve content as well. it remains to be seen how fun it will be but just for he fact that there will be pve content will give it a more open feel than GW2's wvwvw ever could.

    people assume that all there will be is keep zerging. if that's what you think i don't blame you for believing it will not work.

    try and do some research though, there is clearly much more to do in cyrodiil than zerg, unlike GW2's wvwvw

  • SleepyfishSleepyfish Ashville, NCPosts: 363Member
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by Sleepyfish
    Originally posted by xanthmetis
    Originally posted by keithian
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which

    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.

    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing. 

    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want. 

    I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 

    lol thats such a ridiculous last sentence regarding "they know will bomb". First, you can read their mind how? I want to know that trick. I want to be an Xman too lol. 

    2nd, for every whiner that wants Battlegrounds, you will have an equal amount that claim battlegrounds is what has destroyed real PVP to cater to casuals and ultimately destroyed games like Warhammer which is all I used to hear when I was playing that game. 

    Finally, they never said they won't do battegrounds, its just not their focus at launch..thank god...so hopefully they can focus on more important aspects.

    There would be no point in battlegrounds they already have the RVR which is essentially just a battleground. But you missed the entire point of what I was trying to say anyway.

    As for my last statement the proof will be in the sub number retention which I imagine won't be high as is ESO cannot even compete with the hype some free games are getting.

    IP alone wont make a game either two failed Star Wars mmorpgs and a LOTR and Warhammer, Agee of Conan. I wouldnt smoke that pipe dream you may end up being disappointed. 

  • onlinenow25onlinenow25 San Diego, CAPosts: 275Member
    Originally posted by MyBoot

    VG: You’ve recently announced a subscription model for TESO. Why did you opt to go with that model, rather than a free-to-play setup?

    NK: I think it comes down to the fact that it’s what felt right for the IP. With free-to-play your always thinking about gates to different content. Like okay, now we’ve got to hit this situation where players will want to pay more, because they didn’t need to pay initially. Elder Scrolls is very much about open-world exploration, doing and finding things. If you’re constantly getting into situations where you’ve say, found a cool item and then you need to pay $0.50 to unlock it or whatever, it just wouldn’t feel right. Instead we wanted to the player to be able to pay up front and now you can do anything you want to do with unlimited restrictions. The subscription made sense.

     

    I 100% agree with their answer to why they went the sub model.

    I 100% don't agree, but I didn't think the game was going to be f2p anyways.  Its game model suggest it would go the B2P route.

     

    Also his idea/model of f2p is the model for a terrible terrible terrible game and why there are still few truly good f2p games. 

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by SleepyfishAs for my last statement the proof will be in the sub number retention which I imagine won't be high as is ESO cannot even compete with the hype some free games are getting. 

    wait, what? ESO cannot compete with the hype some other games are getting? are you kidding me?

    i think you got it backwards. no mmo will be able to compete with the IP that is ES, not even EQN.

    being F2P may in the long run keep a lot of players playing it but unless it has monumental success, i don't see it having more people playing it than ESO at any point really.

    then again, by the time EQN comes out ESO would have been out for quite some time, so i don't think they are competing against each other in sales regardless.

    especially when you consider that they are two completely different games catering to two completely different type of gamers.

    i think you are getting caught up in the hype of this website and other mmo sites. that is not and never does reflect the views of the overall mmo player base.

    its all about the IP and the fact that ESO is catering to their fans, another reason EQN may not even be that successful IMO.

  • TealaTeala SomewherePosts: 7,430Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by Sleepyfish

    Originally posted by xanthmetis

    Originally posted by keithian
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which

    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.
    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing. 

     

    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want. 

    I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 


     

    first of all, TESO will not bomb lol

    if you actually think that you are pretty delusional as this game will sell like hot cakes just by name alone and the fact its on the consoles.

    i have never played it but i will go out on a limb and say it will have more overall sales than any other mmo post wow

    secondly, hell no there doesn't need to be arena or structured pvp, that is the wow player talking lol

    i assure you that pvp can and has survived in mmo's without structured pvp content lol what a ridiculous and inaccurate statement to make.

    cyrodiil will be a huge open world pvp area with pve content as well. it remains to be seen how fun it will be but just for he fact that there will be pve content will give it a more open feel than GW2's wvwvw ever could.

    people assume that all there will be is keep zerging. if that's what you think i don't blame you for believing it will not work.

    try and do some research though, there is clearly much more to do in cyrodiil than zerg, unlike GW2's wvwvw

     

    How many times down this road have we traveled in the past, and the one thing we've all learned, at least most of us - is that wishful thinking - is just wishful.   And here you claim someone is delusional for thinking ESO will bomb, and then turn around and make a claim like you did - really?

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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,610Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by Sleepyfish

    Originally posted by xanthmetis

    Originally posted by keithian
    • In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which

    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.
    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing. 

     

    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want. 

    I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 


     

    first of all, TESO will not bomb lol

    if you actually think that you are pretty delusional as this game will sell like hot cakes just by name alone and the fact its on the consoles.

    i have never played it but i will go out on a limb and say it will have more overall sales than any other mmo post wow

    secondly, hell no there doesn't need to be arena or structured pvp, that is the wow player talking lol

    i assure you that pvp can and has survived in mmo's without structured pvp content lol what a ridiculous and inaccurate statement to make.

    cyrodiil will be a huge open world pvp area with pve content as well. it remains to be seen how fun it will be but just for he fact that there will be pve content will give it a more open feel than GW2's wvwvw ever could.

    people assume that all there will be is keep zerging. if that's what you think i don't blame you for believing it will not work.

    try and do some research though, there is clearly much more to do in cyrodiil than zerg, unlike GW2's wvwvw

     

    How many times down this road have we traveled in the past, and the one thing we've all learned, at least most of us - is that wishful thinking - is just wishful.   And here you claim someone is delusional for thinking ESO will bomb, and then turn around and make a claim like you did - really?

    I would have thought that it was obvious that they were both guessing. And like all guesses, some are more plausible than others.

    Elder Scrolls franchise... PC + Mac + PS4 + XB1... my guess is that Baphamets guess is a much better informed guess than the "gonna bomb" one.

    You did notice that neither was talking about retention didn't you? Initial sales in the millions is a pretty good guess. What happens after that is a different guess.

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by baphamet   Originally posted by Sleepyfish Originally posted by xanthmetis Originally posted by keithian In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which
    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.
    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing.    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want.  I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 
      first of all, TESO will not bomb lol if you actually think that you are pretty delusional as this game will sell like hot cakes just by name alone and the fact its on the consoles. i have never played it but i will go out on a limb and say it will have more overall sales than any other mmo post wow secondly, hell no there doesn't need to be arena or structured pvp, that is the wow player talking lol i assure you that pvp can and has survived in mmo's without structured pvp content lol what a ridiculous and inaccurate statement to make. cyrodiil will be a huge open world pvp area with pve content as well. it remains to be seen how fun it will be but just for he fact that there will be pve content will give it a more open feel than GW2's wvwvw ever could. people assume that all there will be is keep zerging. if that's what you think i don't blame you for believing it will not work. try and do some research though, there is clearly much more to do in cyrodiil than zerg, unlike GW2's wvwvw  

    How many times down this road have we traveled in the past, and the one thing we've all learned, at least most of us - is that wishful thinking - is just wishful.   And here you claim someone is delusional for thinking ESO will bomb, and then turn around and make a claim like you did - really?


    oh i am sorry, was my post not negative enough for you? lets see, this game will likely sell millions (yes plural) of copies on name alone, especially considering its on the consoles as well.

    do you agree or disagree? if you agree then how exactly is that bombing? if you disagree i would love for your reasons as to why. ES games just don't bomb. its not wishful thinking, its called being realistic.

    will the game be successful in the long run, will it be a good game? that is yet to be seen....

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Teala Originally posted by baphamet   Originally posted by Sleepyfish Originally posted by xanthmetis Originally posted by keithian In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players' focus to be on the alliance war, which
    With not having structured pvp I am concerned the pvp will be a nasty zerg fest like gw2 rvr.  I really look forward to the 1v1 1v2 2v2 3v3 type set ups.  I feel it takes more skill.  I really do wonder if my needs in terms of pvp will be fulfilled.
    They should have chopped it up differently. RVR would not be so bad if they made border zones between each faction as well as the central area rather than phasing the other factions out which sounds like a cost cutting lazy move to me. For pvp to survive you need competitive  matches arena style or something like that, some type of at least restricted world pvp zones where  you can hunt down other players or neutral non  safe towns. RVR is honeslty a piece you dont need to be successful that they concentrated on that. You can get everything you need from an RVR zone just by doing a instanced battleground type of thing.    The RVR style is more of a niche mini game for pvp but nothing serious, it makes no sense to do it this way since when they could have just done an instance for it, have world pvp and sieges and PVE servers for the pvp haters then just do the siege battleground missions on your PVE server if thats what you want.  I think they tried to copy the GW2 model and misread the market and now they are stuck selling a product they know will bomb. 
      first of all, TESO will not bomb lol if you actually think that you are pretty delusional as this game will sell like hot cakes just by name alone and the fact its on the consoles. i have never played it but i will go out on a limb and say it will have more overall sales than any other mmo post wow secondly, hell no there doesn't need to be arena or structured pvp, that is the wow player talking lol i assure you that pvp can and has survived in mmo's without structured pvp content lol what a ridiculous and inaccurate statement to make. cyrodiil will be a huge open world pvp area with pve content as well. it remains to be seen how fun it will be but just for he fact that there will be pve content will give it a more open feel than GW2's wvwvw ever could. people assume that all there will be is keep zerging. if that's what you think i don't blame you for believing it will not work. try and do some research though, there is clearly much more to do in cyrodiil than zerg, unlike GW2's wvwvw  
    How many times down this road have we traveled in the past, and the one thing we've all learned, at least most of us - is that wishful thinking - is just wishful.   And here you claim someone is delusional for thinking ESO will bomb, and then turn around and make a claim like you did - really?
    I would have thought that it was obvious that they were both guessing. And like all guesses, some are more plausible than others.

    Elder Scrolls franchise... PC + Mac + PS4 + XB1... my guess is that Baphamets guess is a much better informed guess than the "gonna bomb" one.

    You did notice that neither was talking about retention didn't you? Initial sales in the millions is a pretty good guess. What happens after that is a different guess.


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