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  • BadOrbBadOrb ManchesterPosts: 791Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by orionblack
    Originally posted by BadOrb
    Originally posted by orionblack
    Originally posted by VassagoMael
    What is the point of this thread? 

    Exactly...as some one else already pointed out to OP.."Who are you??" What can you add that hasn't already been said. 

    The game plays great as the console game that it should have been. But as an mmo fails miserably, as evident by it  going F2P within the first year (notice that it did not make it to the one year mark before it changed.) so that in itself should tell you something. And yes it was a failure, before the white knights come out, with an IP like Star Wars...this should have NEVER happened. EA's game design was lazy and short sighted. Not to mention the terrible game engine employed by them that is the main cause of this game's dismal performance ( one year to release a character re-skin ..aka Cathar because of the engine). But as a solo game (And I still believe wholeheartedly that if they had put this game out on consoles with multiplayer options, it would have done phenomenal ) it plays very well and is an enjoyable  experience as almost all of Bioware games are.

    But as an mmo..it missed that mark quite bad. 

    AND that's not to mention the continued support towards the cash shop, while alienating the subscribers to the point that having a sub is really not even worth it.Case in point ...the expansion will be free now to new subs (they get a refund) while the older players get a "title" as compensation.

    I believe it would have done well as a console game too but I think your tone towards that fact seems to suggest you think consoles and their games are inferior ? if so don't talk trash thank you. Not sure why on one hand you say a great solo game but think with a multiplayer option it would be great on a console , a bit of a contradiction really don't you think. Console bashing is old and tiresome , there has been a few great MMO's on consoles , the dev's are just waking up to this fact about 12 years late. Some people would argue that the amount of skills in the game per character wouldn't fit on a  controller but i know otherwise , says my 40 skills on my 360 controller.

    As to the OP I would read your review , I am interested in how far and how much fun the game is to a pure F2P , if played well you can bet that you will get to the end and have fun. It seems you are going to play for about 3 months , is that right ? If so yeah that seems to be enough time to get an objective idea of how easy , fun etc F2P SWTOR actually is.

    Just be aware of some unlocks you might want to buy off the GTN to help level you quicker etc.

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

    Wasn't console bashing in the bit (preordered my ps4 btw..) and didn't mean for it to come out like that. Point is this game to me seems to far removed from the mmo game style, but more in line with a console style game, that being said..you have to agree it is the best single player mmo out there. I have more than a couple of +50 toons on the game and at no time did I really need help to achieve the grind to 50..and beyond. And while yes you can raid, it most definitely is not required to handle the higher level content except for the raids of course (I.E : gear). So ...yeah I was not in the bit bashing consoles..I love em myself. 

    As to why SWtOR would have done well on a console system...long story short (deleted a bunch out ^^ ) it would not have taken as much heat if it released as KotOR 3, then just add multiplayer function and there ya . ^^ 

    P.S.   Only console mmo's I can think of are FFXI and DCUO.....and I guess Defiance , if that really is an mmo. But let me know because I would like to check them out.

    O right ok , very hard to read people's writings on the interweb , sorry bout that. Well I was forced to play solo as my levelling partner hardly played with me back in the day , well they did but not as often as I wanted. So I have some solo characters and some grouped up and I agree the solo play is actually pretty good really , I don't normally like soloing an MMO , but I guess because of the story and cinematic's and VO , it made the experience very entertaining.

    I get what you mean now kotor 3 with multiplayer , still I would imagine it would have been more than one kotor edition though , with all the different class stories.

    O my sig mentions 2 of them both sadly closed down now though , they where Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Universe. We are still waiting on PSO2 but it will be on PC and possibly Vita , eventually.

    Cheers,

    BadOrb.

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    THis is a very odd thread and should be locked as it holds no value as far as being able to discuss anything, but as far as some of the posts here, its a great game to some, its a horrible game to others, many more are in the middle for one reason or another, what difference does it make. If you like it, play it. IMO the game is just fine when treated as a single player story game with the occassional need to group with others for some of the better story modes. Did the game do as well as I had hope and what Bioware thought? Not at all, but the games seems to have a healthy enough population and is staying afloat so who gives a shit lol.

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  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    oh man the excitement!!

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  • Dren_UtogiDren_Utogi OuterSpacePosts: 1,713Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

    I feel when games go F2p and as a free plauyer which  a lot people are, they are not given an accurate look at what the game has to offer them. I think it is extremely important to review both sides of a game that has multiple pay options. Some folks plainly put, are to poor to buy a sub right now, but love to play mmos.

    With out getting into plotics or why people aren't working, just know that America is almost reaching 10% unemployment and folks are struggling. It is nice to have something to take you into a different world and have some fun.

    So instead of creating my own justifications of why , I'm just going to tell you, " I just am",

     I could be missing something, and you have every right to play, review and post...It is a forum, but are you expecting the experience to be better now that it is f2p?  I know I played my free month, and even wrote if the game was free to play with no cash shop, I was done....Just didn't have a lasting design imo, so not sure what the f2pness of it would enhance, well besides it being free.

     

    f2p will have limitation, that is the focus of the review, how these linmitations impact the game as a f2p player ? If that makes sense...as far as expectations, I have none really becuase that would be subjective.

    reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Somewhere in nowherePosts: 2,326Member Uncommon

    Having played a Trooper for a year (at release) myself, I'd advice you to play something else. The Trooper story is without a doubt one of the weaker ones out there.

    However, I guess it's fair enough to play a weak link in a review.

    Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  • madazzmadazz A town, ONPosts: 1,564Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by sudo
    Originally posted by madazz
    Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

    Care to answer to this, OP?

    As opposed to whom? Who do you two authorize to write a review?

    Its not about authorizing it, its about why the hell is he announcing it? He's making it out to be some sort of big deal that he will be gracing us with his review. I just want to know why his is any more important than anyone elses....

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by sudo
    Originally posted by madazz
    Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

    Care to answer to this, OP?

    As opposed to whom? Who do you two authorize to write a review?

    Its not about authorizing it, its about why the hell is he announcing it? He's making it out to be some sort of big deal that he will be gracing us with his review. I just want to know why his is any more important than anyone elses....

    It's nice that more people are getting involved with sharing their opinions though.  Whether or not the OP is the type of person to carry out what they start is another story.

     

    Having never heard a peep on the proposed review, it can't be commented on.  If it ever does get completed, hopefully it will include pro's and con's.

     

    Originally posted by keithian
    THis is a very odd thread and should be locked as it holds no value as far as being able to discuss anything, but as far as some of the posts here, its a great game to some, its a horrible game to others, many more are in the middle for one reason or another, what difference does it make. If you like it, play it. IMO the game is just fine when treated as a single player story game with the occassional need to group with others for some of the better story modes. Did the game do as well as I had hope and what Bioware thought? Not at all, but the games seems to have a healthy enough population and is staying afloat so who gives a shit lol.

     

    That part is really subjective.  What you said was mostly neutral, until that part.

     

    SWTOR "seems" to be staying afloat though.  SWTOR had a huge budget followed by lackluster followings .. the budget in the $200 - $300 million range initially at time of launch (counting advertising / shilling).  More expenditures would ensue post launch, bringing the to-date costs much higher.

     

    Then there is the whole thing with EA buying BioWare in 2007 for $860 million (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  I believe EA had big plans for BioWare at the time (and are since trying to release games under the BioWare name currently), but EA has really tarnished the BioWare logo with SWTOR (outside of some loyalists who remain).

     

    So spending over a billion dollars on SWTOR, then others saying SWTOR is staying afloat is a bit of a stretch.  The servers are still up though, if that's what you mean (14% of them anyways).  I mean, shit, EA needs to continually lump SWTOR with 2 of their best games in their financial report, then declare a gain amongst all 3 games combined.  Smell fishy yet?

     

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  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Monticello, MNPosts: 418Member

    Here's my review:

     

    Game is too linear & claustrophobic.

    The quests make little sense when put in the context of the main story.

    Too much voice acting (overkill).

    Limited classes.

    PvP is an afterthought.

    F2P model sucks.

     

    There, now I'm a superstar game reviewer too.

  • FrostveinFrostvein Monogahilla, NJPosts: 157Member

    Let me take care of it for you -

     

    "SWTOR isn't a very good game. Despite having several redeeming qualities, the bad far outweighs the good. Their F2P model is one of the worst on the market. The entire game leaves you wondering, 'what could have been' and does little to no justice to its amazing IP."

     

     

    There.

  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    This is like giving a review for the movie Braveheart,years after it came out.Why???

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member

    All your review needs to include is

    It's not a sandbox

    It has no OW FFA PvP

    So ppl on this site will say it sucks, end of story.

  • jerlot65jerlot65 Lake Mary, FLPosts: 788Member
    The game is actually worth a try.  I mean it isnt the best as far as "MMO" features are concerned.  But the single player story line is quite good.  And costs next to nothing to complete the best part of the game.  I still visit it for a month or two, here and there just to do the class story lines.

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  • DrakephireDrakephire Fontana, CAPosts: 445Member Uncommon
    OP I actually will be very interested to read your review if you're truly going to play it f2p.  I'd like to see how you navigate post-25 level content as the xp penalty for f2p eventually put you way behind the leveling curve for the content.
  • CikkCikk Murrieta, CAPosts: 2Member
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

    I will be reviewing the Game ...soon

     

    As the OP's title says. . .I'd be interested in your 'opinion', since most mmo enthusiasts / consumers have lambasted this title since its' launch, garnering it with a 5.7 out of a possible 10 score. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic

     

  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Austin, TXPosts: 514Member Uncommon

    This is literally the only MMO I've ever played that I would never install on my computer again.  It's THAT bad.  The only thing that could turn this lifeless shell of a game into something playable would be another five years of dedicated development and another 300 million budget.

    Besides, there are literally hundreds of reviews for this game dating anywhere from pre-release to last month.  It's one of the only games out there that people seem to feel the need to keep returning to as if it's the grave of a beloved relative that they just can't bear to think has died.

  • madazzmadazz A town, ONPosts: 1,564Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by sudo
    Originally posted by madazz
    Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

    Care to answer to this, OP?

    As opposed to whom? Who do you two authorize to write a review?

    Its not about authorizing it, its about why the hell is he announcing it? He's making it out to be some sort of big deal that he will be gracing us with his review. I just want to know why his is any more important than anyone elses....

    It's nice that more people are getting involved with sharing their opinions though.  Whether or not the OP is the type of person to carry out what they start is another story.

     

    Having never heard a peep on the proposed review, it can't be commented on.  If it ever does get completed, hopefully it will include pro's and con's.

     

    You responded to my post but in no way contributed to it... I'm not even sure it can be called a response. Why did you even quote me?

  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 avondale, AZPosts: 962Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by madazz
    Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

    This times a billion.  How many times has this game been reviewed already?  Even on this site way too many already and basically they all say similar things.  The book is already out on this game and most have been there and done that already.   Why do you need to announce your going to review it. just do it.

  • bobdole1979bobdole1979 beverly hills, CAPosts: 210Member
    Originally posted by funcon

    This game has loading screens at every corner. It isnt a seamless world game. Also the classes mirror each other so that makes it like only 4 classes total in game. I like the art style and the animations of the characters, but pvp sucks cos not much variety, only 4 classes to choose from. Also the instanced pvp sucks cos the game engine cannot handle big battles. This is why all the war zones are 8v8. I would of loved the game if the classes did not mirror each other(devs taking lazy route for balancing pvp) and there werent a loading screen at every corner you turn.

     

    Also wpvp sucks because when you go out and quest in contested planets, the desgins of the quests do not take you to cross patch with opposite faction. This game is a big dud. Wish SW:TOR was like EQ Next.

    can you name a Seamless world game?  I can't.  WoW isn't seamless

  • TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,474Member Uncommon

    I think all anyone needs to know is that this game took roughly 7 years to make and cost more than any other MMO to date and yet in less than a year went F2P due to lack of subscribers.  They had the time, they had the money and they had one of the best IP's in gaming history and yet could not make a game that most people wanted to play.  What is there to review?

     

  • ReizlaReizla AlkmaarPosts: 3,301Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by slickbizzle
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

    I will be playing the game as intended and will not be skipping any cut scenes.

    I think thats the only thing anyone needs to tell you, and you are already going to be doing it.  Play it the way THEY intended, not the way the spacebar happy a.d.d people play it.

    HEY! I take offense at the ADD remark you made. When I played SW:TOR long ago, I managed to get through all cut scenes without even thinking of touching the spacabar. And that for someone with severe ADD and no medication possible ;-)

    @OP - best of luck playing. Though the game itself is fun, it's certainly NOT a MMO because sadly 95% of the content is solo play :( I wish BioWare added more (forced) MMO aspects to the game OR released it as a single-player RPG game.

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  • NephaeriusNephaerius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,539Member Uncommon
    OP says he's never seen a review since F2P.  Massively did a whole series on it.  Just sayin'.

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  • caremuchlesscaremuchless Crestline, CAPosts: 603Member
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by sudo
    Originally posted by madazz
    Not to be rude or anything, but why should I care that you are doing a review? Are you someone special? The game has been reviewed many times. Why should anyone care that you in particular are reviewing it? And also, if its so far off, why the announcement? Again, are you someone special and we should all get excited because you MIGHT be reviewing the game in a year or so?

    Care to answer to this, OP?

    As opposed to whom? Who do you two authorize to write a review?

    Its not about authorizing it, its about why the hell is he announcing it? He's making it out to be some sort of big deal that he will be gracing us with his review. I just want to know why his is any more important than anyone elses....

    It's nice that more people are getting involved with sharing their opinions though.  Whether or not the OP is the type of person to carry out what they start is another story.

     

    Having never heard a peep on the proposed review, it can't be commented on.  If it ever does get completed, hopefully it will include pro's and con's.

     

    Originally posted by keithian
    THis is a very odd thread and should be locked as it holds no value as far as being able to discuss anything, but as far as some of the posts here, its a great game to some, its a horrible game to others, many more are in the middle for one reason or another, what difference does it make. If you like it, play it. IMO the game is just fine when treated as a single player story game with the occassional need to group with others for some of the better story modes. Did the game do as well as I had hope and what Bioware thought? Not at all, but the games seems to have a healthy enough population and is staying afloat so who gives a shit lol.

     

    That part is really subjective.  What you said was mostly neutral, until that part.

     

    SWTOR "seems" to be staying afloat though.  SWTOR had a huge budget followed by lackluster followings .. the budget in the $200 - $300 million range initially at time of launch (counting advertising / shilling).  More expenditures would ensue post launch, bringing the to-date costs much higher.

     

    Then there is the whole thing with EA buying BioWare in 2007 for $860 million (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  I believe EA had big plans for BioWare at the time (and are since trying to release games under the BioWare name currently), but EA has really tarnished the BioWare logo with SWTOR (outside of some loyalists who remain).

     

    So spending over a billion dollars on SWTOR, then others saying SWTOR is staying afloat is a bit of a stretch.  The servers are still up though, if that's what you mean (14% of them anyways).  I mean, shit, EA needs to continually lump SWTOR with 2 of their best games in their financial report, then declare a gain amongst all 3 games combined.  Smell fishy yet?

     

     

    Bit of a stretch to say that EA spent a billion dollars on SWTOR...

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  • DavynelordDavynelord Atlanta, GAPosts: 122Member

    You know my advice is play games you are interested in and decide for yourself if a game sucks or not...don't listen to people saying a game sucks.   MOst of the time those people are wrong because they have a specific thing that can only satisfy them...so if a game doesn't have that little something, then they won't give the game a chance and no matter how decent a game can be, they simply won't like it....

     

    But the real issue isn't that a game is bad or they don't like it...it's in them thinking everyone is like them and won't like it for the same reasons they don't like it.  

     

    Bottom line, play the game as you like and let your own experiences tell you whether it's a good game or not.  It's like food, nobody can tell you what's truly good because they don't have your taste buds...you won't ever know until you try it yourself.

     

    SWTOR is not a bad game for what it is...which is KOTOR with a multiplayer element added to it.  It feels like a single player console game because the focus is on the story.  It's impossible to create a story driven game where thousands of people play it and have the story somehow make all those thousands of people immersed so that they feel something different than what SWTOR actually gives you.

     

    Overall, don't play games with the intention of comparing it to another game out there...you'll never like most games if you do that....just play games for what they are, not what you want them to be....the main reason everyone thinks SWTOR sucks is because they all thought it was gonna be everything that SWG was.....but I knew it wasn't gonna be anywhere as good as SWG as soon as I read the first information about the game and what they were planning to do...but other people ignored it all and kept believing SWG 2 was coming in the form of SWTOR.

     

    Bottom line...the game is decent and if you love a good story (or 16 different mini stories, 1 for each class) then you'll likely enjoy the game.   If you live and die PVP, large scale battles, unique crafting, great raiding or having big RP parties, you may be dissappointed in the game as it's very limited in all those areas.  

     

    By the way, the game has more than 4 classes.  There are 4 base classes and 8 advanced classes, so 12 total and then the other 12 for the other faction are just mirrors....

    So for Republic side you have....

    Jedi Knight  takes you to Jedi Guardian or Jedi Sentinel

    Jedi Consular takes you to Sage or Shadow

    Trooper takes you to Vanguard or Commando

    Smuggler takes you to Scoundrel or Gunslinger

     

    The imperial side you have...

     

    Sith Warrior branches into Juggernaut and Marauder

    Sith Inquisitor branches into Sith Sorcerer and Sith Assassin

    Bounty Hunter branches into Pyrotech and Mercenary

    Imperial Agent branches into Operative and Sniper

     

    So overall, the game basically has 12 classes and these days it's not easy having 24 unique classes without a game being a sandbox style like SWG was....even then that game only had 16 classes, so only 4 more than SWTOR....

     

    Lastly, I play SWTOR from beginning to end on every single class....though I'm still working on the imperial side...but I can say that even though both factions classes mirror each other, the stories are not mirrors....so their are 16 unique stories though you can only have so many different plots for anything (game or movie...SWTOR is almost like both).  

     

    But again, my advice is play it yourself and decide...I can't sit here and tell anyone they will like it or hate it because we are different people....just approach the game with an open mind, no expectations (as you should approach everything in life that way) and that way you give yourself a better chance to actually enjoy things rather than take some preconceived ideas with you going in and leave you hating the game before you even play it.

     

    Remember, it's true when they say "MIND OVER MATTER"....what you believe or the preconceived notions you have about something, often dictates your attitude and ability to embrace things.   So if you already have it in your head that  a game is gonna be bad, then in all intent and purposes it will be bad eventually...because your digging for the bad since your mind believes that already...and in doing so, you'll be skipping over or ignoring all the good...

  • didjeramadidjerama MirPosts: 201Member

    4+4=12?

    Game has 8 classes lol

    And OP, ill save you the trouble:

    Stories are worth playing, its best story MMO around.

    If you play it as "single player game with multiplayer option" (as in heroics/FPs) it will be good, even as F2P

    Unfortunately, game is not worth a sub.

    PvP is a joke, gear based and imbalanced as it gets.

    Endgame, if you like doing same set of dailies/repeat same FPs/OPs for long stretches of time you might like it, but it gest old really fast.

    Both PvP and PvE are simple gear treadmill, which also doesnt help the above.

    Also, no more class stories is real downer for the game as its pretty much the only thing thats really worth playing.

    I rate it as "nice passtime game", not really worth spending money/much time on.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar drummondville, QCPosts: 7,987Member
    Never had the hurge to return.the secret world is a better offer.you buy it you play it whenever (a LA gw2)and it is actually a good game!tsw is one of the better b2p offer.ff14 is nice but ff14 is plagued with ton of DRM issue .player getting disconnected because DRM didn't like something etc.never had these issue in tsw.
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