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[General Article] Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn: Review in Progress #3

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,637MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Now that Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn has "matured" to nearly three weeks since release, we have more thoughts to offer about the game play and more on our way to our final review. See what this week's installment of our Review in Progress has to say before heading to the comments to add your thoughts.

The armory system ties hand in hand with the class and job system in A Realm Reborn. In any MMO inventory management can become a burden especially for a class that can fill multiple roles. Now imagine the frustration for players trying to carry around gear sets for their disciple of land, disciple of hand, disciple of magic, and disciple of war gear and then toss in a set for fishing to boot. All told that can turn into a mountain of gear that very few people, if anyone, could realistically manage. That is where the armory system comes in. 

Read more of Rob Lashley's Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Review in Progress #3.

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  • o-breedo-breed HerbornPosts: 51Member

    God Jesus, now we have groups of four, whats the problem? With 5 players the monsters have to be harder and that means that every one, and expecially the tank's output damage in % will be lesser and lesser - and as a repsonse - insignificant!

    So get your a** up and play tanks, too as you will be able to inflict good damage as well now!

    Btw. the Japanese are smarter than you! :P

  • HusvikHusvik Somewhere, ONPosts: 440Member
    Nice "review" in progress!
  • KanethKaneth Posts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    The problem with grouping isn't the amount of tanking or even healing classes (of which there is 1 for the first 30 levels and then there are 2 healing jobs), it's that tanking and healing are thankless/first to get crapped all over roles. They could add two more tanks and two more healers and DPS would still have a long queue for the duty finder. Those who like to tank and heal do so because they enjoy the role, but most seem to be "big numbers" junkies.
  • TsumoroTsumoro EozeaPosts: 408Member Uncommon

    People do not like the responsibility of playing a tank or healer. Specifically because the hostility that has been adopted by MMO players. I play a tank, rolling in as a Paladin currently tanking is fairly easy. 

    However the DPS mentality has carried over from over MMO's to this one. A lot of MMO solo players like DPS because they can divorce themselves from the other people in the game and get on and do their own stuff. As such I have many DPS join my group that FAIL to speak. I speak to these people, tell them what I would like them to do to ensure a nice swift and safe run but they do not read, they do not react. Only when we wipe do they react to which is toxic at the best of times. 

    Of course I remind them that I had spoke earlier informing what they needed to do, but of course, it isn't a DPS issue it's a 'Tank' or 'Healer' issue. I have literally had people say to me "You're the tank, it's your job to hold aggro, I just do the damage". It is almost like these DPS see me as an NPC there solely to gratify and progress their experience. 

    It's a frustrating process to be fair that the biggest difficulty I have with group content as a tank are other players. 

    Anyhow, to do with your party size issue. I actually think you're wrong on this in part. You see, Final Fantasy 14 has been the first MMO in a long time that encourages group play. Yes, the duty finder has a long wait for DPS (sometimes 40 mins for those guys). But, it's their fault in honest. 

    You see, the game has been designed to encourage people to interact with one another, sure the duty finder is there for those who want to go lone wolf. But the rewards of progression come to those who interact with the world and the other players. 

    When I play on my DPS job, I am not going to wait for 40 mins in a dungeon queue. I join the Duty finder and then I ask the company if anyone wishes to come. I also stand outside the dungeon and ask around because typically those coming to the dungeon are those who have just unlocked that part of their story and need to progress. 

    So, if I want to do Thousand Maws, I go to Quarry Mill I head up to the dungeon, I ask for for a group. Typically I always get someone join and if that person is a tank or healer you'll be surprised how quickly you move through that queue. 

    So, to say that it's a missed mark to not have a 5 man group because DPS out weigh tanks/healers is a cop out answer. It's a lazy answer in fact. The game is groomed to encourage interaction, you'll get the best out of it for that interaction. If you don't LIKE interacting with other players, then I beg the question as to why you're playing an MMO in the first instance. 

     

  • ChubakabrahChubakabrah Tulsa, OKPosts: 7Member Uncommon
    Well Mahavishnu, you must be in the 50% dps catagory then lol. I play a Paly and Whm and its tough, but a blast. No way i can watch tv and play.
  • LizardEgyptLizardEgypt Yarmouth, NSPosts: 337Member
    Originally posted by Mahavishnu
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    Maybe it's just JRPG nostalgia but I've loved every moment of questing so far in this game. Even the mundane generic ones. I am thoroughly enjoying the leveling experience and feel inclined to log in every day to play more. I don't think you can speak for all of us any more than this reviewer than accomidate your tastes into his review.

    Also; as for too easy - every MMO of the past 10 years has been incredibly easy. This game ramps up quite well, around the 30s the difficulty is very noticable and present and from what I've heard it only gets more demanding. That's a positive in every regard, easing players into content that challenges them. 

    Crafting can also build pre-raid quality gear.. so... ok.

     

     

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  • SkylightFortressSkylightFortress Amarillo, TXPosts: 34Member
    Nice read, I don't know how I feel about the party size. So far its not been too much of a deal, 4 players dose add to the difficulty of the dungeons though. If any one person fails to do their job(dps included) the whole party can wipe just like that.  Still I wonder why my que's as a Whitemage are so long(sometimes 30-40 minuets).  Oh and the armory system is so nice, almost as good as GW2's inventory management. Overall really enjoying the game. 
  • TibbzTibbz Houston, TXPosts: 619Member
    Originally posted by LizardEgypt
    Originally posted by Mahavishnu
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    Maybe it's just JRPG nostalgia but I've loved every moment of questing so far in this game. Even the mundane generic ones. I am thoroughly enjoying the leveling experience and feel inclined to log in every day to play more. I don't think you can speak for all of us any more than this reviewer than accomidate your tastes into his review.

    Also; as for too easy - every MMO of the past 10 years has been incredibly easy. This game ramps up quite well, around the 30s the difficulty is very noticable and present and from what I've heard it only gets more demanding. That's a positive in every regard, easing players into content that challenges them. 

    Crafting can also build pre-raid quality gear.. so... ok.

     

     

    Good to know it is "kicked up a notch" at 30.  Trying to get there on my archer to get the bard job.... so far the quests are a bit mind numbingly generic and solo or grouped we seem to be able to plow through everything with minimal difficulty.  Still going to give it a month and see how it goes... but i will say this>>>>If they DO NOT make it easy to black list/report gold sellers i will not subscribe to this game.  

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  • CharityCharity Citrus Heights, CAPosts: 5Member
    Even queued as DPS, I don't think I've waited longer than 30 minutes for a main quest dungeon.  I'm not a fan of forced grouping not because I don't enjoy grouping itself, but because of previous bad experiences with the randomly assigned groups.  I don't know if it's a fluke, but I was very happily surprised by how the instances went.  People were at least polite and sometimes friendly.  There wasn't a lot of chatter, but everyone did their job and did it well or responded to feedback about what to do different.
  • NaddabNaddab Orlando, FLPosts: 5Member

    So being a tank in this game has been really fun and challenging. I also like being able to sync my level with my friends leveling dps so they can instant queue for dungeons with me.

     

    The one down side is that dungeons don't provide a great deal of exp. You can farm fates for quicker exp as a full party. I hope they increase the exp for dungeons soon, because i think it will get more tanks/healers playing that route.

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Posts: 2,114Member Uncommon
    I'm waiting for information on the addition of FRONTLINE.
  • SomeOldBlokeSomeOldBloke Lancaster, UKPosts: 2,141Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Shadanwolf
    I'm waiting for information on the addition of FRONTLINE.

    Anti-flea treatment, is that for the pet class?

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon

    People who say dungeons are easy.. which one are they?

    Tank: CC the triangle

    DPS1: tank them all

    DPS2: ya we don't need CC

    Healer: **** my life

    Tank: Don't stand in front

    DPS1: Then turn it around

    DPS2: Raise!

    Healer: **** my life

    Seriously this is very common..

     

  • rabidkiwirabidkiwi Charlotte, NCPosts: 44Member

    To the tanks above

     

    I must say that youre right.. after being a DPS and having a truely horrible healer in the first dungeon, i went and reclassed as a Conjurer (i had healed in past MMOs) and found it to be fun and sometimes challenging.  havent had a bad word spoken to me but the tanks get it worse than any MMO i have been in.  Even if its known this is their first run its a constant barrage of harassment.

    Personally .. i would leave the groups if i was ragged on this much.. half the time they are doing a decent job too .. and the dps are grabbing aggro off one then doing the "hair on fire" run around the room with the tank trying to catch up to get aggro back.  Hopefully at later levels people are a little more understanding.

     
  • SetzerSetzer The Great Northwest, WAPosts: 143Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Diavor

    God Jesus, now we have groups of four, whats the problem? With 5 players the monsters have to be harder and that means that every one, and expecially the tank's output damage in % will be lesser and lesser - and as a repsonse - insignificant!

    So get your a** up and play tanks, too as you will be able to inflict good damage as well now!

    Btw. the Japanese are smarter than you! :P

    ^This

  • SetzerSetzer The Great Northwest, WAPosts: 143Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mahavishnu
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    You pretty much just described WoW and GW2.

    I've been playing for 3 weeks now and I don't find the quests boring nor do I find crafting useless, in fact, the crafting system is far better than most MMO's.

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon

    The problem I have with the some of the articles on this site and some of the forum posters is that everyone focuses on quantity of features instead of the whole. Most gamers fall into two camps, PVE or PVP with a portion of gamers who love both. From everything I've been reading outside of this site and from my experience up to level 8 or so, most quests feel like bland fetch quests, kill x, kill y. There are no voiceovers and the mouths don't even sync with anything. It feels like a step backwards in a much more prettier skin. I'm not referring to Fates which allow people to level way too fast or dungeons. I'm talking about the core PVE questing system. To me if that is boring, the game is not a step forward and doesn't deserve the happy happy joy joy these writers are giving it. 

    Regardless, since I didn't really level very far and I'm still on the fence with this game, I may wait it out just a bit to see if they patch things up some (like reducing XP for fates, etc) and then see if the PVE questing systems has more interesting quests later on....but this site should score HEAVILY on the quality of the PVE questing and not make it feel like some sort of ancillary side feature.

     
     

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  • rahj83rahj83 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 77Member
    Useless crafting? What game are you playing? Definitely not FF:ARR. Crafting is everything, honestly. Crafted gear is the same as quest gear, literally, so no need to quest for gear. You want materia in your items? Better get to crafting. You want to make a bunch of gil? Craft...it's pretty much the best way to make gil. Especially HQ items. In fact, I am pretty sure this game is the only themepark where crafting is not useless.

    You want to say something bad about the game, go ahead, but at least make it a legitimate thing. Useless crafting? Not even close...

    My biggest gripe? My retainer can not purchase items for me...

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  • TorcipTorcip Sterling Heights, MIPosts: 669Member
    I'm pretty sure that the groups of 4 are only for when you're leveling to 50, every dungeon in hard mode and the lvl 50 dungeons are 8 man groups. So the numbers are not likely to change.
  • SenadinaSenadina San Diego, CAPosts: 896Member Uncommon

    I am concerned about the forced grouping for the following reason; what happens when the population is all at max level? Particularly in this game, since there is no need to roll alts, anyone joining the game late is going to have a very hard time finding level appropriate groupmates.

    Any thoughts on this future dilemma?

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  • KeletharKelethar La Mirada, CAPosts: 9Member
    Originally posted by Aori

    People who say dungeons are easy.. which one are they?

    Tank: CC the triangle

    DPS1: tank them all

    DPS2: ya we don't need CC

    Healer: **** my life

    Tank: Don't stand in front

    DPS1: Then turn it around

    DPS2: Raise!

    Healer: **** my life

    Seriously this is very common..

    LOL This cracked me up. Far too true. I'll turn mobs away from my group, as a PLD, the DPS finds their way around mobs into the cones or getting cleaved. I even have a handful of healers that will end up right at my feet, having been standing still tanking, dead on the ground from cleave mechanics. Sometimes I just sit there going "How.... did you even get there to die, RIGHT HERE..." Great times though.

     

     

  • gessekai332gessekai332 New York City, NYPosts: 854Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Senadina

    I am concerned about the forced grouping for the following reason; what happens when the population is all at max level? Particularly in this game, since there is no need to roll alts, anyone joining the game late is going to have a very hard time finding level appropriate groupmates.

    Any thoughts on this future dilemma?

    the game makes it very attractive to level your other jobs, since even if you want to stick to your main class, being able to obtain skills from a bunch of different classes to improve on your main class can be very important. 

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  • ThorqemadaThorqemada BerlinPosts: 1,277Member Uncommon
    Tank and Healer are boring classes <- its that simple!

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  • Mighty_PlatypusMighty_Platypus FF, CAPosts: 83Member Uncommon
    So you are saying that a game should be just questing? You find that quests are what make or break a game? I love the game so far, because of the variety you get. You aren't required to do any quest, well the story one if you want to unlock dungeons, and the class one for skills. however, the stories involved with these quests are amazing. If you don't like doing quests then do leves, fates, guildhest, dungeons, hunting logs, or just get a grind group going. Go gather or craft, typically enjoying the scenery much more while doing so. The fact is, a game is reviewed, or should be, on its ability to provide entertainment and enjoyment. So far the vast majority are having fun playing the game. Boss fights are engaging and require concentration, well maybe starting at Copperbell Mines, but they are much better than most MMO games. I tank in the game, and my wife heals, and as long as guys listen to what either one of us is saying we go through dungeons without wipes, usually. Of course when you can get one shot killed for missing a step that adds a bit of oh crap butt puckering fun to it. So, if you come into this game not enjoying it, or not wanting to enjoy it, well then you won't enjoy it. But if you look for the entertaining factors and ability to either make you smile, curse, and increase your abilities as a player, you may find you actually enjoy the game.
  • MeltdownMeltdown Home, NHPosts: 1,184Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Diavor

    God Jesus, now we have groups of four, whats the problem? With 5 players the monsters have to be harder and that means that every one, and expecially the tank's output damage in % will be lesser and lesser - and as a repsonse - insignificant!

    So get your a** up and play tanks, too as you will be able to inflict good damage as well now!

    Btw. the Japanese are smarter than you! :P

     

    Not only tanks, but you REALLY notice good healers who can manage both heals and dealing dmg. I've seen some able to switch in/out of cleric stance and drop some decent dps before switching back and healing. I tell you, the healer and tank DPS is not to be underrated, especially being able to pick abilities from other classes. 

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