No need to bash other games in your post, though. That kind of negativity doesn't bring people over; it keeps people away.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
No need to bash other games in your post, though. That kind of negativity doesn't bring people over; it keeps people away.
Actually that's not true. The longest threads in these forums for as long as I've been a member are the negative ones. Regardless, you've inspired me to take the high road and I've removed those negative references lol. It will now be your fault when the thread disappears in a few days hehehe
No need to bash other games in your post, though. That kind of negativity doesn't bring people over; it keeps people away.
Actually that's not true. The longest threads in these forums for as long as I've been a member are the negative ones. Regardless, you've inspired me to take the high road and I've removed those negative references lol. It will now be your fault when the thread disappears in a few days hehehe
It's alright, dude
It's the same principle behind peaceful protests and debates:
If one side is peaceful and the other is negative, the peaceful side will be in the right, no matter what their views are.
If BOTH sides are go negative, it becomes a mess.
I am looking forward to ESO, though. Been watching videos; haven't paid too much attention to awards at the moment. Trying to see the extent of PvP in the world.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Originally posted by furbans Best Role Playing Game and Best Social/Casual/Online Game are awards to be boastful of. They lost in best MMO, best Gamescom, Best PC game awards.
Now a game has to win in every category to show it is heading in the right direction? There's logic for you. Destiny looks awesome. It deserved best of show. That doesn't subtract from the positive experience most got from playing ESO which is becoming more the norm of those who play it. Have you?
No need to bash other games in your post, though. That kind of negativity doesn't bring people over; it keeps people away.
Actually that's not true. The longest threads in these forums for as long as I've been a member are the negative ones. Regardless, you've inspired me to take the high road and I've removed those negative references lol. It will now be your fault when the thread disappears in a few days hehehe
It's alright, dude
It's the same principle behind peaceful protests and debates:
If one side is peaceful and the other is negative, the peaceful side will be in the right, no matter what their views are.
If BOTH sides are go negative, it becomes a mess.
I am looking forward to ESO, though. Been watching videos; haven't paid too much attention to awards at the moment. Trying to see the extent of PvP in the world.
Same here. I'm waiting to see the PVP as well, if anything to close the debate about if this is multiplayer or massive which I already know the answer to based on their comments that more than 200 will be on the screen at one time and more than 1000 in an area. Now lets just hope the PVP gameplay is interesting and fun.
Best Online Multiplayer Game: Destiny WINNER The Elder Scrolls Online Battlefield 4 Call of Duty: Ghosts Payday 2 Warface Titanfall
Best Social/Casual/Online Game: The Elder Scrolls Online WINNER Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Project Spark Rain World of Warplanes
Best PC Game: Battlefield 4 WINNER Total War: Rome 2 The Crew Warface Titanfall
Best Roleplaying Game: The Elder Scrolls Online WINNER Ligthning Returns - Final Fantasy XIII Wildstar
After that I came to the conclusiion that the Best Online Multiplayer Game category is more or less nonsense. There are MMOs, coop games, multiplayer games, all mixed. They lack a Best MMO game category. Only thing we know now is that TESO is a better MMO RPG than Wildstar, in their oppinion of course.
So they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?
Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
I giggled =P
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
So they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?
Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
I giggled =P
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
That is interesting. Maybe, that just means best graphics, because that is about the only RPG element they could have thoroughly reviewed within that time limit.
These awards mean diddly shit.
I can't believe they didn't give WS more. The booth was packed!
Originally posted by ariboersma Originally posted by CthulhuPuffsSo they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
I giggled =P
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
they need to be careful about wildstar? wildstar wont effect their sales much, wildstar will have a niche following at best compared to ESO.
wildstar needs to have aggressive marketing campaigns, ESO's box sales are virtually guaranteed due to name alone, they could market their game a lot less and still dwarf wildstar's box sales or player numbers.
especially when you consider that ESO will be on the consoles. honestly, no mmo should concern ESO when it comes to box sales.
this is just the reality of the situation and does not speak to the quality of the games, even though i personally wont be playing wildstar myself due to the cartoonish art style i don't like.
how long can ESO hold a large amount of subs? that is he million dollar question.
whatever that number is, it will be more than wildstar, just sayin...
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffsSo they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
I giggled =P
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
they need to be careful about wildstar? wildstar wont effect their sales much, wildstar will have a niche following at best compared to ESO.
wildstar needs to have aggressive marketing campaigns, ESO's box sales are virtually guaranteed due to name alone, they could market their game a lot less and still dwarf wildstar's box sales or player numbers.
especially when you consider that ESO will be on the consoles. honestly, no mmo should concern ESO when it comes to box sales.
this is just the reality of the situation and does not speak to the quality of the games, even though i personally wont be playing wildstar myself due to the cartoonish art style i don't like.
how long can ESO hold a large amount of subs? that is he million dollar question.
whatever that number is, it will be more than wildstar, just sayin...
I am not impressed by how many boxes a game sells.
ESO will sell more boxes based solely on IP, but WS is a much better game, and it will be the one that endures.
Best Online Multiplayer Game: Destiny WINNER The Elder Scrolls Online Battlefield 4 Call of Duty: Ghosts Payday 2 Warface Titanfall
Best Social/Casual/Online Game: The Elder Scrolls Online WINNER Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Project Spark Rain World of Warplanes
Best PC Game: Battlefield 4 WINNER Total War: Rome 2 The Crew Warface Titanfall
Best Roleplaying Game: The Elder Scrolls Online WINNER Ligthning Returns - Final Fantasy XIII Wildstar
After that I came to the conclusiion that the Best Online Multiplayer Game category is more or less nonsense. There are MMOs, coop games, multiplayer games, all mixed. They lack a Best MMO game category. Only thing we know now is that TESO is a better MMO RPG than Wildstar, in their oppinion of course.
Really not much worth those awards...
Best RPG, 3 games, two of which are MMOs, none of the big RPGs coming next here in it? Who the hell made these categories?
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffsSo they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
I giggled =P ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
they need to be careful about wildstar? wildstar wont effect their sales much, wildstar will have a niche following at best compared to ESO.wildstar needs to have aggressive marketing campaigns, ESO's box sales are virtually guaranteed due to name alone, they could market their game a lot less and still dwarf wildstar's box sales or player numbers.especially when you consider that ESO will be on the consoles. honestly, no mmo should concern ESO when it comes to box sales.this is just the reality of the situation and does not speak to the quality of the games, even though i personally wont be playing wildstar myself due to the cartoonish art style i don't like.how long can ESO hold a large amount of subs? that is he million dollar question.whatever that number is, it will be more than wildstar, just sayin...
I am not impressed by how many boxes a game sells.
ESO will sell more boxes based solely on IP, but WS is a much better game, and it will be the one that endures.
no it wont and no it isn't. i am not impressed about wildstar in the slightest, so we have conflicting views apparently.
even SWTOR is enduring better than most mmo's out there, you may not like the games but the popular ones stay popular and games like wildstar are nothing more than a fart in the wind.
but back to my original post which you quoted, ESO doesn't need to worry about wildstar in the slightest, regardless of what you feel about the game personally.
the reality is, just as you said, ESO will have more people playing their game at launch just due to name alone and will continue to have more playing months after as well.
not to mention it will be on consoles as well, it wont even be close i'm afraid.
even if there is a mass exodus of players (which will happen to wildstar too), the remaining players will still outnumber wildstar's.
Not because ESO won some award, while still in Early Beta., from some game company that no one knows of
Its funny because the OP is using this "award" as some form of solid proof (evidence) that ESO will actually be a good MMO instead of just another turd in the punchbowl
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LOL that someone gave an award to a game that hasn't been released. For MMO's, I'd wait 6mos or even a year before really making an evaluation.
But if you like the Elder Scrolls world, look and feel, then you're gonna like ESO. It's not that the game "feels like" Skyrim, it *is* Skyrim. I think the game will do well.
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffsSo they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
I giggled =P
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
they need to be careful about wildstar? wildstar wont effect their sales much, wildstar will have a niche following at best compared to ESO.
wildstar needs to have aggressive marketing campaigns, ESO's box sales are virtually guaranteed due to name alone, they could market their game a lot less and still dwarf wildstar's box sales or player numbers.
especially when you consider that ESO will be on the consoles. honestly, no mmo should concern ESO when it comes to box sales.
this is just the reality of the situation and does not speak to the quality of the games, even though i personally wont be playing wildstar myself due to the cartoonish art style i don't like.
how long can ESO hold a large amount of subs? that is he million dollar question.
whatever that number is, it will be more than wildstar, just sayin...
I am not impressed by how many boxes a game sells.
ESO will sell more boxes based solely on IP, but WS is a much better game, and it will be the one that endures.
WS=Wow imo or they trying for that market and they might pull it of thanks to the cartoon look and game play, but I'm with the guy above you who said he's not playing it due to cartoon look, I same damned if I paying to play a game that looks so shit imo I want to play a game that not only looks modern but plays like a the games or game types I like. I never played wow due to that shity look and theme park BS and I don't want the grind fest either. So after trying ESO at the show I will be buying and playing it until SC comes out so I'm cool about paying to play games too as I have 6 Eve active accounts already.
I'm looking forward to the ESO Skyrim type of MMORPG make a nice change to play a decent online game with a community to boot.
Look at all those awards. What happened to it? Exactly.
You're right of course but we never really know what an MMO is going to be like until we experience it for ourselves - and that's what "happens to them." SWTOR didn't really show it's true faults until you had played it, seen the linear geography and experienced it's lack of content.
All the pre-release praise for SWTOR was based on snippets and partial info and the assumptions and speculation based on those. It's hardly different from movie trailers and the full thing.
Some people are so wise about movies and MMOs that they can tell you ahead of time... and some like to just bash them all since that's a pretty safe approach - every single one of them (with only 2 exceptions I can think of - WOW and EVE) will "fail" according to some criteria, be it total initial users, player attrition, time to F2P conversion, or whatever criteria you want to use.
That's simply because there are many more casual MMO tourists that swarm any new game like locust and then move on, than those who stick with any mmo for more than a few months.
So... "MMO X is going to fail, mark my words!"... pretty safe statement to make about any of them.
So which one are you willing to say will not fail? FFXIV? I predict it will, mark my words
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the fact it won best casual/newb friendly award for me is viewed as a negative for the game. Its best RPG cause lets face it there isnt much on the horizon that looks great and we all know ESO has the best lore / world out of the upcoming games so no shocker there. To win best casual / nub friendly for me is super negative as I am not a casual player and I hate super easy games like wow has become. Personaly I think eso will suck and so will all the other games coming atm which is super sad to say but I feel its gonna be true.
I'm playing darkfall still even with its problems its still the best PvP game on the market atm just hoping AV will get there stuff together add the missing roles and fix major issues and perhaps some balance tweaking but for now nothing is looking to be better than DF currently...
I wouldn't base a game's value on the opinions of fans who got 15-20 minute play sessions in a limited aspect of the game. Numerous examples have already been given of prior instances. I'm not trying to damper your enthusiasm, just suggesting that you temper your expectations and await the opinions of people who have been playing for longer periods who can tell you how the game feels after a week, month, etc...
Unfortunately with an IP this large we may not get the opportunity, before launch, to get real opinions from long term beta testers that are not discredited (and subsequently buried) by fans due to the NDA.
Cheers!
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SWTOR won best of awards also...the only thing protecting TESO is the fact that there is a DNA on the beta, something they are going to hold onto as long as possible before release to limit the damage information will do to the game.
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Gratz to ESO on the awards.
No need to bash other games in your post, though. That kind of negativity doesn't bring people over; it keeps people away.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Actually that's not true. The longest threads in these forums for as long as I've been a member are the negative ones. Regardless, you've inspired me to take the high road and I've removed those negative references lol. It will now be your fault when the thread disappears in a few days hehehe
There Is Always Hope!
Excellent, a negative post lol. Hopefully this game will do even better than those. The point is don't write the game off until you play it.
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It's alright, dude
It's the same principle behind peaceful protests and debates:
If one side is peaceful and the other is negative, the peaceful side will be in the right, no matter what their views are.
If BOTH sides are go negative, it becomes a mess.
I am looking forward to ESO, though. Been watching videos; haven't paid too much attention to awards at the moment. Trying to see the extent of PvP in the world.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Now a game has to win in every category to show it is heading in the right direction? There's logic for you. Destiny looks awesome. It deserved best of show. That doesn't subtract from the positive experience most got from playing ESO which is becoming more the norm of those who play it. Have you?
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Same here. I'm waiting to see the PVP as well, if anything to close the debate about if this is multiplayer or massive which I already know the answer to based on their comments that more than 200 will be on the screen at one time and more than 1000 in an area. Now lets just hope the PVP gameplay is interesting and fun.
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An award means nothing if you don't know the nominees. So I looked up which games were nominated for these categories (hopefully I didn't miss one):
http://www.gamescom-cologne.com/media/gamescom/downloads/pdf/gamescom_Award_Liste_Nominierungen.pdf
Best Online Multiplayer Game:
Destiny WINNER
The Elder Scrolls Online
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Payday 2
Warface
Titanfall
Best Social/Casual/Online Game:
The Elder Scrolls Online WINNER
Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft
Project Spark
Rain
World of Warplanes
Best PC Game:
Battlefield 4 WINNER
Total War: Rome 2
The Crew
Warface
Titanfall
Best Roleplaying Game:
The Elder Scrolls Online WINNER
Ligthning Returns - Final Fantasy XIII
Wildstar
After that I came to the conclusiion that the Best Online Multiplayer Game category is more or less nonsense. There are MMOs, coop games, multiplayer games, all mixed. They lack a Best MMO game category. Only thing we know now is that TESO is a better MMO RPG than Wildstar, in their oppinion of course.
Really not much worth those awards...
So they gave an Award to a Pre-configured Demo of a Game still in early Beta?
Guess we will be seeing those 9.0 Reviews from MMORPG.com real soon then too
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I giggled =P
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
That is interesting. Maybe, that just means best graphics, because that is about the only RPG element they could have thoroughly reviewed within that time limit.
These awards mean diddly shit.
I can't believe they didn't give WS more. The booth was packed!
ok so I DO like ESO.. but best RPG?!?!? how the hell would they know from what little is available! Also I find it hilarious that the pics they show on FB of Gamescon are pretty low in numbers of ppl.. oh wait and then they showed a pic of the ENTRANCE HALL claiming it was all the ppl coming to see their booth... WHAT?!?!?! Zenimax is getting a tad cocky and they need to be careful with WIldstar having such a clever and humorous ad campaign, also actual screenshots of their own booth and how crowded it was.
That being said I actually hope both games do well and both are good enough to survive P2P. All that will come out when they offer open beta or on release.
they need to be careful about wildstar? wildstar wont effect their sales much, wildstar will have a niche following at best compared to ESO.
wildstar needs to have aggressive marketing campaigns, ESO's box sales are virtually guaranteed due to name alone, they could market their game a lot less and still dwarf wildstar's box sales or player numbers.
especially when you consider that ESO will be on the consoles. honestly, no mmo should concern ESO when it comes to box sales.
this is just the reality of the situation and does not speak to the quality of the games, even though i personally wont be playing wildstar myself due to the cartoonish art style i don't like.
how long can ESO hold a large amount of subs? that is he million dollar question.
whatever that number is, it will be more than wildstar, just sayin...
I am not impressed by how many boxes a game sells.
ESO will sell more boxes based solely on IP, but WS is a much better game, and it will be the one that endures.
Best RPG, 3 games, two of which are MMOs, none of the big RPGs coming next here in it? Who the hell made these categories?
no it wont and no it isn't. i am not impressed about wildstar in the slightest, so we have conflicting views apparently.
even SWTOR is enduring better than most mmo's out there, you may not like the games but the popular ones stay popular and games like wildstar are nothing more than a fart in the wind.
but back to my original post which you quoted, ESO doesn't need to worry about wildstar in the slightest, regardless of what you feel about the game personally.
the reality is, just as you said, ESO will have more people playing their game at launch just due to name alone and will continue to have more playing months after as well.
not to mention it will be on consoles as well, it wont even be close i'm afraid.
even if there is a mass exodus of players (which will happen to wildstar too), the remaining players will still outnumber wildstar's.
This thread makes me LOL.
Not because ESO won some award, while still in Early Beta., from some game company that no one knows of
Its funny because the OP is using this "award" as some form of solid proof (evidence) that ESO will actually be a good MMO instead of just another turd in the punchbowl
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LOL that someone gave an award to a game that hasn't been released. For MMO's, I'd wait 6mos or even a year before really making an evaluation.
But if you like the Elder Scrolls world, look and feel, then you're gonna like ESO. It's not that the game "feels like" Skyrim, it *is* Skyrim. I think the game will do well.
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WS=Wow imo or they trying for that market and they might pull it of thanks to the cartoon look and game play, but I'm with the guy above you who said he's not playing it due to cartoon look, I same damned if I paying to play a game that looks so shit imo I want to play a game that not only looks modern but plays like a the games or game types I like. I never played wow due to that shity look and theme park BS and I don't want the grind fest either. So after trying ESO at the show I will be buying and playing it until SC comes out so I'm cool about paying to play games too as I have 6 Eve active accounts already.
I'm looking forward to the ESO Skyrim type of MMORPG make a nice change to play a decent online game with a community to boot.
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This entire thread is irrelevant. Proof.
Look at all those awards. What happened to it? Exactly.
You're right of course but we never really know what an MMO is going to be like until we experience it for ourselves - and that's what "happens to them." SWTOR didn't really show it's true faults until you had played it, seen the linear geography and experienced it's lack of content.
All the pre-release praise for SWTOR was based on snippets and partial info and the assumptions and speculation based on those. It's hardly different from movie trailers and the full thing.
Some people are so wise about movies and MMOs that they can tell you ahead of time... and some like to just bash them all since that's a pretty safe approach - every single one of them (with only 2 exceptions I can think of - WOW and EVE) will "fail" according to some criteria, be it total initial users, player attrition, time to F2P conversion, or whatever criteria you want to use.
That's simply because there are many more casual MMO tourists that swarm any new game like locust and then move on, than those who stick with any mmo for more than a few months.
So... "MMO X is going to fail, mark my words!"... pretty safe statement to make about any of them.
So which one are you willing to say will not fail? FFXIV? I predict it will, mark my words
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the fact it won best casual/newb friendly award for me is viewed as a negative for the game. Its best RPG cause lets face it there isnt much on the horizon that looks great and we all know ESO has the best lore / world out of the upcoming games so no shocker there. To win best casual / nub friendly for me is super negative as I am not a casual player and I hate super easy games like wow has become. Personaly I think eso will suck and so will all the other games coming atm which is super sad to say but I feel its gonna be true.
I'm playing darkfall still even with its problems its still the best PvP game on the market atm just hoping AV will get there stuff together add the missing roles and fix major issues and perhaps some balance tweaking but for now nothing is looking to be better than DF currently...
I wouldn't base a game's value on the opinions of fans who got 15-20 minute play sessions in a limited aspect of the game. Numerous examples have already been given of prior instances. I'm not trying to damper your enthusiasm, just suggesting that you temper your expectations and await the opinions of people who have been playing for longer periods who can tell you how the game feels after a week, month, etc...
Unfortunately with an IP this large we may not get the opportunity, before launch, to get real opinions from long term beta testers that are not discredited (and subsequently buried) by fans due to the NDA.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
All I have to say is this.
SWTOR won best of awards also...the only thing protecting TESO is the fact that there is a DNA on the beta, something they are going to hold onto as long as possible before release to limit the damage information will do to the game.