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Dont get me wrong,like the game or not, but this IP thing,this is new IP ,its like Activisions vision of WoW2 ,its bought and made by ZeniMax Online.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Zenimax was the company started by Bethesda to acquire other properties (Doom etc.) and Zenimax Studios was created just for the MMO version of TES, The relationship here between Bethesda and this MMO is pretty tight.
This is not like Mythic-EA-Bioware.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Hi pot, meet kettle:
You say 70% someone else says 50% and you say wanna bet... sort of similar to what I'm doing with the 2 year + isn't it?
There's no one who has posted more anti-P2P stuff in this forum over the last week than you. And you have always ignored what I have consistently said about F2P and B2P both: I don't like to be marketed at and nudged towards buying stuff while I play an MMO. That is why I and many others don't like the typical in-game cash shop that both, F2P and B2P games have. It's that simple to me.
It's just not convenient for you to concede that those of us who actually like P2P for that reason have a valid opinion, because it doesn't fit with your preconceived notions of how the world should be.
And whenever you run out of arguments you use an appeal to higher authority - in this case yourself, since you have told us several times that you have insider knowledge because you work in the industry. All you're doing is dismissing other's opinions and saying that yours is a better opinion because you do some unspecified something in the gaming industry. Sorry...not impressed.
You're right..it is a total waste of time discussing this with you because you are 1000% convinced that your opinion--and buddy, that's all it is--is correct.
So stop jumping in on my responses to other people...problem solved.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Those people who want Skyrim online should go make Skyrim online then. Instead, most take up the mantle of the downtrodden, such as yourself, and have a pity party about how the big bad game company isn't making the game you wanted to play.
Remarkably, ES fans come from many cuts of cloth, and some are capable of enjoying new spins on old ideas, whilst others grip tightly the fading figments of a self-born fantasy world wherein their every desire has to be met. Alas, they are a loud and tiresome bunch, the latter.
As an ES fan who was also looking forward to this game, I'm not stoked on hearing the words 'cash shop', but I'm not out until I know exactly what's in there. Box + Sub should be enough to cover a service like name changes, so already I'm on the wrong side of skeptical. Here's to hoping the rest of the shop truly is fluff.
I think you are confused. At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.
ESO = Skyrim online.
That's incorrect.
Even the developers said this isn't a typical MMO. It is a multiplayer ES game.
That is Skyrim Online!
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I'm not buying it. So I guess that means I'm boycotting TESO?
It doesn't look good enough for a box fee + sub. And when they try to have a cash shop on top of that... not a chance I'll be playing it.
If half the energy posted about complaints against the first true Tri Realm mmorpg since 2001 were directed instead to the pile of craptastic F2P wasteware that exists all over the place, then perhaps we wouldn't have so much garbage in the genre.
Who is boycotting a cosmetic cash shop? Surely you have better things to do with your time. Sigh - problems of a first world country can't truly be this meaningless. When will this trolling stop?
If you are going to post this, at least link the Matt Firor comment that was circling all over the place in regards to the cosmetic only cash shop they will have. [mod edit]
You really tried to relate problems in modern civilization to a cash shop acceptance?
By your accord, people in First World Country will just willingly throw their money away .. HERE JUST TAKE IT! Giving it away! I don't ever care about quality!, just TAKE MY MONEY!
Are you that backwards in your thinking?
[mod edit]Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
Skyrim in 'Skyrim Online' just references the graphics and ES series. It has nothing to do the story or lore. When we say that we mean that it is a multiplayer ES game instead of a real MMORPG.
Dont give TSW credit for doing it right...They started as box+sub+cash shop also then went the b2p route after that failed miserably.....Also Funcom lsot so much money on this game that they had massive layoffs and almost went out of business..... B2P worked fine with GW2 because it was a well made game.....It most likely would have succeeded as a p2p also, though most would have likely left after a couple of months.
It would depend on what's in the shop. You mention "money grabs" because of course if a company tries to make money they're greedy. When I played WoW and they put mounts and pets in their cash shop I couldn't have cared less. I had plenty of mounts and didn't give a crap about pets. So what do I care if someone wants to buck up for a sparkly horse. If it's fluff I don't care. All I care about is playing games that I find fun. If it has a sub then so be it, if it doesn't that's great too. For me it's fun over payment model in my decision making.
Here is a solution, if you are whining about having to pay for a game + a monthly sub for continual content updates; Feel free not to buy it. There i just solved your problems.
God I hate cheap ass people! always want free! free! me! me! me! OMG WTFBBQ!!1 it has a sub I canz plehz!..Why no Freh!?r whatever crap you nutters banter off about. I always imagine some kid's head exploding from the sheer rage when he finds out a game he wants to play is not.....wait for....Free to play!... Not realizing these games cost a lot to make and developers need to be paid for their skill to bring you a game. Whether you think it is great or not, is down to your opinion and only your opinion. You don't like it, speak with your wallet. no one really cares!!! They are too busy playing the game.
However I see a lot of F2P kiddies talk a lot of crap about a game that cost money for the box and a monthly sub but as soon as it goes F2P , it is hilarious and ironic how they aren't against playing it and saying how awesome it is or even if they don't like it they still will play it. If you can't afford it, Call of duty is that way bub! I see a monthly sub as a way to weed out the knuckleheads that could otherwise get into the game.
one more time with feeling. You don't like the sub, don't play it!
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I wont be "buying" the game because its bastardizing the TES name to make a DaoC styled game. To give them money tells corporations its OK to use a name for its popularity for a cash grab. Besides, so many in beta are talking about how bad the graphics are, how bad the animations are, how limited the combat is and even that the story is not written very well and is not engaging at all. Some going so far as to say the game is lacking in depth in the zones with way too much focus on the center based RvR endgame.
Not exactly unexpected seeing who is designing the game.
Anyone thinking that this is just a TES multiplayer game is deluding themselves. The only reason they made this made dash to remove themselves from the MMORPG label was due to the massive blowback from the TES community...after MONTHS of trying to hype their TES MMORPG.
They are disconnected from reality, the reality that nobody wanted to play a DaoC game in a TES skin. They further proved they are clueless by now going with a sub model while still trying to target the TES fanbase...that does NOT play subscription based games.
The very idea of BUYING a game and then still having to PAY to play it is LAUGHABLE to most gamers...especially after seeing for so many years that it does not get you a better quality game. That is an idea held by people trained to think that an MMO needs to be supported by a subscription to cover costs. Its a bold faced lie that has been proven wrong so many times its sickening to think that some people still cling to the idea.
Did you see the dungeon in Quakecon? It is hard for me to even call that multiplayer, as the the so called group solo'd their way through the instance. Other people are sometimes on the screen though, so you have to call it a multiplayer game though. But I refuse to call this travesty a MMORPG!
No, it is not a bold faced lie.
Some companies in recent years have abused the subscription model to squeeze out some more cash, but that doesn't make all subscription games bad. These companies took the money and pocketed it, instead of reinvesting the money into the game. ESO is imo going to do the same thing. It is a B2P quality game they have no plans to seriously update, yet they are slapping a subscription on it out of pure corporate greed.
If you look at the trends from themepark games the gap between release as P2P and switching to F2P has lessened. Games that took a decade to go F2P went down to 5 years then 3 years then 1 year. As it stands some of the more recent MMORPGs made the switch or at the very least made the announcement of going F2P at around the 6 month mark. It is very possible that it can happen with ESO.
I wrote an article here and made the breakdown and the current state of P2P games in the MMO landscape:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/394763
It is a very lengthy read, but to make the article extremely compact: At this very moment in time there are over 600 MMOs available to the western market. Of those only 11 of them currently operate using the P2P business model exclusively. 7 of those games were released prior to 2005. 4 of those games were released post 2005.
Every other single game released as P2P (over 60+ games in the past 15 years) has either shut down, gone F2P, gone F2P and P2W, and in almost every case have gone through severe server merges. That is looking at the history and trends the MMO landscape has gone through.
If you look at the past 8 years, there have been only 3 games that have continued to use the P2P model... I should say 4 since FFXIV ARR released today. I would be very surprised if this game can go for more than a year without going F2P with its current plan as going P2P tagged with a cash shop.
Another fool pretending to be an expert.
These games didn't fail because they were P2P. They failed because they lacked end game and updates. The MMOs of recent years are using the P2P model to get a faster return on their investment, and to potentially make more money. They know or just don't care about keeping the game going for years to come.
ESO won't fail because it is P2P.
Its just a ripoff. This will chase away subs, but not before they collect a gross sum of money.
Triple dipping? Hell with Box Fee+Sub Price+Cash Shop+Inevitable Expansions, that could possibly be QUAD DIPPING! XD
Seriously though, I'm not 'boycotting' it. I'm just not going to buy it. I no longer care to rent my games after paying a Box fee. Especially considering how companies are double dipping even after all that by adding cash shops (Vanity items or not, it's still double dipping).