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ESO will have a box price, subscription AND a cash shop.

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Posts: 2,065Member Uncommon

    They can make as much "profit" as they like - and as long as they avoid potential "gambling/addiction" type issues (potentially associated with a cash shop) and they don't engage in misleading advertising then it will be ethical. And the more money they make the more money should be invested in the game.

    That is the rub though. Will they make more money with a monthly sub than without it?

    As EA found out people don't need to subscribe and they can unsubscribe pretty quickly. A sub will reduce box sales as well.

     

     

  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Adalwulff

    No you haven't answered.

    I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed.

    They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?

    I did.  Sorry, if you don't understand.

  • KuraphimaruKuraphimaru Mississauga, ONPosts: 1,290Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Adalwulff No you haven't answered. I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed. They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?
    I did.  Sorry, if you don't understand.

    ok, let me rephrase that question then. What a game would need to have to qualify for a P2P in your opinion so it would become profit and not greed.

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  • jimprounerjimprouner Hooters, VTPosts: 142Member
    Originally posted by Adalwulff

     

    No you haven't answered.

    I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed.

    They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?

    I agree with JJ.

    The reason all recent MMOs have failed is pure greed.  They launch P2P, and then refuse to update their game, and in some cases even fix simple bugs.  They take the money and pocket it instead of reinvesting that money back into the game.  

    ESO seems to be going down the same path.  I don't see this game having sufficient end game content to merit a P2P model, and I don't foresee a lot of updates.

  • KuraphimaruKuraphimaru Mississauga, ONPosts: 1,290Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by jimprouner
    Originally posted by Adalwulff   No you haven't answered. I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed. They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?
    I agree with JJ.

    The reason all recent MMOs have failed is pure greed.  They launch P2P, and then refuse to update their game, and in some cases even fix simple bugs.  They take the money and pocket it instead of reinvesting that money back into the game.  

    ESO seems to be going down the same path.  I don't see this game having sufficient end game content to merit a P2P model, and I don't foresee a lot of updates.


    Ahem, a couple of questions.

    A. How can you say that ESO developers are not investing profits from subscriptions into fixing the game and providing patches WHEN THE GAME HAS NOT EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET?

    B. Did you already play an UNRELEASED game to the end to see that there is no end game content in it?

    C. What are the reasons for your foresight of lack of updates in the future of this title aside from being full of it?

    Please an answer them seriously because I'm extremely curious as to your reasoning and insights.

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  • killahhkillahh calgary, ABPosts: 437Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Kayo45
    So basically everyone is panicking because some foreign site interview let slip that theyll have an item shop that includes name changes(?). Translated by google no less. /sigh how about we see wtf they plan to put in this cash shop (other than name changes before we start losing our freakin minds over an ambiguous comment. It may well just be a similar system to which Blizzard has been using for years now.

    That said, if its the f2p kind of cash shop then im out as well. Probably the dumbest thing they could do but oh well ... ESO is like 3rd in my list of potential MMOs anyway, and one I planned on waiting a few months to make sure they dont pull he old p2p<>f2p switcheroo a few months down the line.

    Yah, you can't trust those foreign sites... I mean they are foreign!  They don't even speak english for crying out loud.

    /sarcasm

     

    I give this game 9 months tops under subscription model.

     

    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    The day Blizzard sold 25 millings opening weekend with that damn sparkle pony mount was the day I knew that cash shops were going to be in every MMO one day. So ESO has picked to P2P + Box price + cash shop. They have to walk a line on what they add to the cash shop. P2P means they better have the content to back up a monthly sub. I have a feeling they are not gona get this right. The more I read about this game the less I am interested. IMO this seem more like a GW2 game. Fun but not a lot of depth. Should have gona B2P with a GW2 style cash shop IMO. Cant wait to see this game go head to head with EQN lol


    I think you hit the nail on the head.  The depth of this game seems on par with GW2.

    As far as I know they haven't even said the word update, so I really wonder how they are going to justify the subscription model after a couple months.

    Ya not gona try this game till it goes F2P even if I have to wait a year after release

    i am sure you will not be missed.

    Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  • jimprounerjimprouner Hooters, VTPosts: 142Member
    Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

     


    Originally posted by jimprouner

    Originally posted by Adalwulff   No you haven't answered. I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed. They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?
    I agree with JJ.

     

    The reason all recent MMOs have failed is pure greed.  They launch P2P, and then refuse to update their game, and in some cases even fix simple bugs.  They take the money and pocket it instead of reinvesting that money back into the game.  

    ESO seems to be going down the same path.  I don't see this game having sufficient end game content to merit a P2P model, and I don't foresee a lot of updates.


     

    Ahem, a couple of questions.

    A. How can you say that ESO developers are not investing profits from subscriptions into fixing the game and providing patches WHEN THE GAME HAS NOT EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET?

    B. Did you already play an UNRELEASED game to the end to see that there is no end game content in it?

    C. What are the reasons for your foresight of lack of updates in the future of this title aside from being full of it?

    Please an answer them seriously because I'm extremely curious as to your reasoning and insights.

    A)  It is the growing trend in the market.  They have also said the word update all of 1 time thus far I believe.

    B) These is no end game content.  This is pretty much a fact.  They didn't even plan on having 1 adventure zone open before the game was delayed.  I mean its predominantly an easy mode single player game FFS.

    C) Isn't this question A?  Again, this game is predominantly an easy mode single player game.  What updates could they even do besides pint sized GW2 style updates?   Problem is that Arenanet hands those out for free, because they aren't worth a sub!

  • battlesambattlesam Lantzville, BCPosts: 12Member

     

    Originally posted by jimprouner

    "The reason all recent MMOs have failed is pure greed."   --- That is a false statement.

    A)  "It[F2P] is the growing trend in the market."  -- That is a false statement.

    B) "These is no end game content."   -- That is a false statement.

     

    1) Careless usage of the word 'all' often results in false statements.

    2) F2P is "a" trend, not "the" trend.  

    3) lol

  • KuraphimaruKuraphimaru Mississauga, ONPosts: 1,290Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by jimprouner
    Originally posted by Kuraphimaru   Originally posted by jimprouner Originally posted by Adalwulff   No you haven't answered. I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed. They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?
    I agree with JJ.   The reason all recent MMOs have failed is pure greed.  They launch P2P, and then refuse to update their game, and in some cases even fix simple bugs.  They take the money and pocket it instead of reinvesting that money back into the game.   ESO seems to be going down the same path.  I don't see this game having sufficient end game content to merit a P2P model, and I don't foresee a lot of updates.
      Ahem, a couple of questions. A. How can you say that ESO developers are not investing profits from subscriptions into fixing the game and providing patches WHEN THE GAME HAS NOT EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET? B. Did you already play an UNRELEASED game to the end to see that there is no end game content in it? C. What are the reasons for your foresight of lack of updates in the future of this title aside from being full of it? Please an answer them seriously because I'm extremely curious as to your reasoning and insights.
    A)  It is the growing trend in the market.  They have also said the word update all of 1 time thus far I believe.

    B) These is no end game content.  This is pretty much a fact.  They didn't even plan on having 1 adventure zone open before the game was delayed.  I mean its predominantly an easy mode single player game FFS.

    C) Isn't this question A?  Again, this game is predominantly an easy mode single player game.  What updates could they even do besides pint sized GW2 style updates?   Problem is that Arenanet hands those out for free, because they aren't worth a sub!


    Ok, I will bite on this stupidity.

    A) It is also a growing trend in Canadian cell-phone market to charge more for less. Yet, the company I'm with provides with unlimited minutes, texts, and internet usage for $40 while every other provider would charge at least $60-70 with severe limits. The trend is to screw customers and they don't seem to be following it. Catch my drift?

    B) Facts are verifiable. Please show evidence supporting the non-existance of end game content. OH WAIT! You can't. THE GAME IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT and NO ONE PLAYED IT TO THE END.

    C) Oh I dunno. Skyrim was a single player game and they released 2 pretty decent expansions and one cosmetic DLC. Just because Arenanet got their heads stuck in their collective asses when it comes to updates doesn't mean every one else.

    My advice, Don't judge a whole market based on mistakes made by select few.

    C)

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  • jimprounerjimprouner Hooters, VTPosts: 142Member
    Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

     


    Originally posted by jimprouner

    Originally posted by Kuraphimaru  

    Originally posted by jimprouner

    Originally posted by Adalwulff   No you haven't answered. I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed. They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?
    I agree with JJ.   The reason all recent MMOs have failed is pure greed.  They launch P2P, and then refuse to update their game, and in some cases even fix simple bugs.  They take the money and pocket it instead of reinvesting that money back into the game.   ESO seems to be going down the same path.  I don't see this game having sufficient end game content to merit a P2P model, and I don't foresee a lot of updates.
      Ahem, a couple of questions. A. How can you say that ESO developers are not investing profits from subscriptions into fixing the game and providing patches WHEN THE GAME HAS NOT EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET? B. Did you already play an UNRELEASED game to the end to see that there is no end game content in it? C. What are the reasons for your foresight of lack of updates in the future of this title aside from being full of it? Please an answer them seriously because I'm extremely curious as to your reasoning and insights.
    A)  It is the growing trend in the market.  They have also said the word update all of 1 time thus far I believe.

     

    B) These is no end game content.  This is pretty much a fact.  They didn't even plan on having 1 adventure zone open before the game was delayed.  I mean its predominantly an easy mode single player game FFS.

    C) Isn't this question A?  Again, this game is predominantly an easy mode single player game.  What updates could they even do besides pint sized GW2 style updates?   Problem is that Arenanet hands those out for free, because they aren't worth a sub!


     

    Ok, I will bite on this stupidity.

    A) It is also a growing trend in Canadian cell-phone market to charge more for less. Yet, the company I'm with provides with unlimited minutes, texts, and internet usage for $40 while every other provider would charge at least $60-70 with severe limits. The trend is to screw customers and they don't seem to be following it. Catch my drift?

    B) Facts are verifiable. Please show evidence supporting the non-existance of end game content. OH WAIT! You can't. THE GAME IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT and NO ONE PLAYED IT TO THE END.

    C) Oh I dunno. Skyrim was a single player game and they released 2 pretty decent expansions and one cosmetic DLC. Just because Arenanet got their heads stuck in their collective asses when it comes to updates doesn't mean every one else.

    My advice, Don't judge a whole market based on mistakes made by select few.

    C)

    Ohh the irony.

    A)  Exceptions may exist, but the burden of proof is on you to prove it is an exception.  Good luck, since it hasn't happened yet.

    B) The game might be in development, but they have told us the elements within the game.  Once you get to max level you can fart around in some dungeons, and do a few more quests.  Not end game.  We have all this evidence it doesn't exist, so yet again if you are claiming it does, then provide proof.  It's not my responsibility to prove your god exists.

    C) Meh, GW2 style updates you had to pay for.  Ripoff.

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