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ESO will have a box price, subscription AND a cash shop.

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  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,272Member Uncommon

    I just don't like the box cost. 50-60$ for a digital download is a scam.

     

    The game is looking pretty darn cool though.

  • flclimaxflclimax Hempstead, NYPosts: 92Member Common
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Stizzled
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by boxsnd

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

     

    Let's see the fans defend this one.

    You realize the cash shop doesn't sell items right?

    The cash shop will include "fun items" as well as character services.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/22/gamescom-2013-the-elder-scrolls-online-subscription-ensures-pla/

    Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items means. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

    Fun items could be anything from stupid hats to fireworks.

    it means stuff that should be included with your subscription but won't be.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

    Why can't we cut out all the BS, and just say it how it is.  Corporate Greed.

    That is the only factor at work here.

     

    Corporations are greedy by default. The aim of any game developer (if not then by virtue of its publisher) is to maximize profit. Such things are already taken as given and only the incredible inane, or naive think otherwise.

    Corporations are collections of people who want to make money, just like you do when you go to your job. That butcher who sells you meat doesn't do it because he loves you, but because that is he how earns his keep.

    When I see these online people bash corporations for greed, I have to ask them how the people who work for the company make a living and why they shouldn't be able to feed their families (even if it is filet mignon rather than taco bell).

    It's a childish notion to not expect people you purchase products from to maximize profit/their own utility.

    No, the argument you are using is childish in reasoning.

    You are just saying corporations are evil, and we just have to accept that.  That is BS.  That isn't even an argument.  If we just accept everything as it is, then nothing would ever change.  Yet, changes happen all the time.

     

    The fact of the matter is that this is a B2P quality game, and they are charging a subscription for it.  If you buy this game at this point, then the only thing I can say is you are an idiot.  You are part of the problem!  You are reinforcing the notion that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and the people, being a mindless consumers, will still purchase it.

     

    "No" he is not saying corporations are evil deal with it. He is saying corporations or any company exist to make money. Just as you have a job to make money.

    Everything I highlighted in yellow shows that you have no understanding and are very unrealistic.

    1, b2p game?: your opinion no merit. I say it's a game (for argument's sake - don't really believe this) worth $100 per month!!!! see? no merit.

    2, They can do whatever they want as long a they give their customers good value. If the customers don't think it's good value they will spend their money elsewhere. You are just upset because those who are making the decisions dont' share your view and you are disenfranchised. I get that anger but it is what it is.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,272Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by flclimax
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Stizzled
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by boxsnd

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

     

    Let's see the fans defend this one.

    You realize the cash shop doesn't sell items right?

    The cash shop will include "fun items" as well as character services.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/22/gamescom-2013-the-elder-scrolls-online-subscription-ensures-pla/

    Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items means. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

    Fun items could be anything from stupid hats to fireworks.

    it means stuff that should be included with your subscription but won't be.

    As long as those "fun items" are unbound when purchased, and can be sold then bought with in game currency.

  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

    Why can't we cut out all the BS, and just say it how it is.  Corporate Greed.

    That is the only factor at work here.

     

    Corporations are greedy by default. The aim of any game developer (if not then by virtue of its publisher) is to maximize profit. Such things are already taken as given and only the incredible inane, or naive think otherwise.

    Corporations are collections of people who want to make money, just like you do when you go to your job. That butcher who sells you meat doesn't do it because he loves you, but because that is he how earns his keep.

    When I see these online people bash corporations for greed, I have to ask them how the people who work for the company make a living and why they shouldn't be able to feed their families (even if it is filet mignon rather than taco bell).

    It's a childish notion to not expect people you purchase products from to maximize profit/their own utility.

    No, the argument you are using is childish in reasoning.

    You are just saying corporations are evil, and we just have to accept that.  That is BS.  That isn't even an argument.  If we just accept everything as it is, then nothing would ever change.  Yet, changes happen all the time.

     

    The fact of the matter is that this is a B2P quality game, and they are charging a subscription for it.  If you buy this game at this point, then the only thing I can say is you are an idiot.  You are part of the problem!  You are reinforcing the notion that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and the people, being a mindless consumers, will still purchase it.

     

    "No" he is not saying corporations are evil deal with it. He is saying corporations or any company exist to make money. Just as you have a job to make money.

    Everything I highlighted in yellow shows that you have no understanding and are very unrealistic.

    1, b2p game: your opinion no merit

    2, They can do whatever they want as long a they give their customers good value. If the customers don't think it's good value they will spend their money elsewhere. You are just upset because those who are making the decisions dont' share your view and you are disenfranchised. I get that anger but it is what it is.

    The problem is that they are right, the average consumer is mindless. 

    They do share my view actually.  Greed is #1.   That is my view of them, and that is their view for this game.

     

    B2P game for P2P price.

    That is just a fact. 

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

  • PiechunksPiechunks ProvincePosts: 136Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath

     

    Though I do think there are corporations who "don't know when to stop" and that have serious ethical issues, I agree with your post.

    It's as if most people who make that "corporate greed' statement don't have a job. Which I don't believe. That road goes both ways as well.

    "employees calling in sick when they aren't really sick/employees asking for raises when they haven't really justified why they deserve the extra money/employees coming in late but not taking it off their time card (if they use time cards) or not making up the time if they are salaried"

    If a person has a job then their company needs to make money and that person WANTS their company to make money so they can stay employed. Of course, as I indicated, one way to make money it to be a great company that people want to do business with.

    Basically some "gamers" want the days of "doom" back where it was just a few people doing it in their garage for the love it but with millions of dollars at their disposal.

     

    There are unethical people everywhere. Labor/production is just one aspect of daily life, just like recreational activity. 

    Games were still huge in the days of doom, since the days of doom were during the 90's not too long after the crash when many companies had failed.

    ID software was anything but a few guys in a garage; they were the titans of the FPS genre that they had helped spawn (although there were some minor obscure titles well before Wolfenstein 3D). Games started becoming big business well into the late 70's and early 80's.

     

     

     

     

  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by Sovrath

     

    Though I do think there are corporations who "don't know when to stop" and that have serious ethical issues, I agree with your post.

    It's as if most people who make that "corporate greed' statement don't have a job. Which I don't believe. That road goes both ways as well.

    "employees calling in sick when they aren't really sick/employees asking for raises when they haven't really justified why they deserve the extra money/employees coming in late but not taking it off their time card (if they use time cards) or not making up the time if they are salaried"

    If a person has a job then their company needs to make money and that person WANTS their company to make money so they can stay employed. Of course, as I indicated, one way to make money it to be a great company that people want to do business with.

    Basically some "gamers" want the days of "doom" back where it was just a few people doing it in their garage for the love it but with millions of dollars at their disposal.

     

    There are unethical people everywhere. Labor/production is just one aspect of daily life, just like recreational activity. 

    Games were still huge in the days of doom, since the days of doom were during the 90's not too long after the crash when many companies had failed.

    ID software was anything but a few guys in a garage; they were the titans of the FPS genre that they had helped spawn (although there were some minor obscure titles well before Wolfenstein 3D). Games started becoming big business well into the late 70's and early 80's.

    Don't waste your time, he hasn't a clue.  He is talking about the 90's like we were using the horse and buggy as a means of transportation.  Facts go off him like water off a duck's ass.

  • asrlohzasrlohz UddevallaPosts: 645Member

    The problem is that they are right, the average consumer is mindless. 

    They do share my view actually.  Greed is #1.   That is my view of them, and that is their view for this game.

     

    B2P game for P2P price.

    That is just a fact. 

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

    GW2 went into development 2007. The same year that ZOS was founded to start development on TES:O.

    Seems a bit far fetched that ZOS copied GW2 before Arena.net had even created a single proper character model. Maybe some research would be useful before tossing around random accusations, GW2 fanboy.

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  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,152Member
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

    Why can't we cut out all the BS, and just say it how it is.  Corporate Greed.

    That is the only factor at work here.

     

    Corporations are greedy by default. The aim of any game developer (if not then by virtue of its publisher) is to maximize profit. Such things are already taken as given and only the incredible inane, or naive think otherwise.

    Corporations are collections of people who want to make money, just like you do when you go to your job. That butcher who sells you meat doesn't do it because he loves you, but because that is he how earns his keep.

    When I see these online people bash corporations for greed, I have to ask them how the people who work for the company make a living and why they shouldn't be able to feed their families (even if it is filet mignon rather than taco bell).

    It's a childish notion to not expect people you purchase products from to maximize profit/their own utility.

    No, the argument you are using is childish in reasoning.

    You are just saying corporations are evil, and we just have to accept that.  That is BS.  That isn't even an argument.  If we just accept everything as it is, then nothing would ever change.  Yet, changes happen all the time.

     

    The fact of the matter is that this is a B2P quality game, and they are charging a subscription for it.  If you buy this game at this point, then the only thing I can say is you are an idiot.  You are part of the problem!  You are reinforcing the notion that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and the people, being a mindless consumers, will still purchase it.

     

    "No" he is not saying corporations are evil deal with it. He is saying corporations or any company exist to make money. Just as you have a job to make money.

    Everything I highlighted in yellow shows that you have no understanding and are very unrealistic.

    1, b2p game: your opinion no merit

    2, They can do whatever they want as long a they give their customers good value. If the customers don't think it's good value they will spend their money elsewhere. You are just upset because those who are making the decisions dont' share your view and you are disenfranchised. I get that anger but it is what it is.

    The problem is that they are right, the average consumer is mindless. 

    They do share my view actually.  Greed is #1.   That is my view of them, and that is their view for this game.

     

    B2P game for P2P price.

    That is just a fact. 

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

     

    Then why don't you tell us when profit becomes greed?

    Surely you agree the company must make a profit right? Or else they cannot pay their staff or their bills.

    So tell us, in your opinion, how much are they allowed to make, before it becomes greed?

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  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by asrlohz

    The problem is that they are right, the average consumer is mindless. 

    They do share my view actually.  Greed is #1.   That is my view of them, and that is their view for this game.

     

    B2P game for P2P price.

    That is just a fact. 

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

    GW2 went into development 2007. The same year that ZOS was founded to start development on TES:O.

    Seems a bit far fetched that ZOS copied GW2 before Arena.net had even created a single proper character model. Maybe some research would be useful before tossing around random accusations, GW2 fanboy.

    Lol, a swing and a miss.  I have played GW2 for about 5 mins at a friends house.   Clone simply means they are nearly identical, which they are. 

  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

    Why can't we cut out all the BS, and just say it how it is.  Corporate Greed.

    That is the only factor at work here.

     

    Corporations are greedy by default. The aim of any game developer (if not then by virtue of its publisher) is to maximize profit. Such things are already taken as given and only the incredible inane, or naive think otherwise.

    Corporations are collections of people who want to make money, just like you do when you go to your job. That butcher who sells you meat doesn't do it because he loves you, but because that is he how earns his keep.

    When I see these online people bash corporations for greed, I have to ask them how the people who work for the company make a living and why they shouldn't be able to feed their families (even if it is filet mignon rather than taco bell).

    It's a childish notion to not expect people you purchase products from to maximize profit/their own utility.

    No, the argument you are using is childish in reasoning.

    You are just saying corporations are evil, and we just have to accept that.  That is BS.  That isn't even an argument.  If we just accept everything as it is, then nothing would ever change.  Yet, changes happen all the time.

     

    The fact of the matter is that this is a B2P quality game, and they are charging a subscription for it.  If you buy this game at this point, then the only thing I can say is you are an idiot.  You are part of the problem!  You are reinforcing the notion that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and the people, being a mindless consumers, will still purchase it.

     

    "No" he is not saying corporations are evil deal with it. He is saying corporations or any company exist to make money. Just as you have a job to make money.

    Everything I highlighted in yellow shows that you have no understanding and are very unrealistic.

    1, b2p game: your opinion no merit

    2, They can do whatever they want as long a they give their customers good value. If the customers don't think it's good value they will spend their money elsewhere. You are just upset because those who are making the decisions dont' share your view and you are disenfranchised. I get that anger but it is what it is.

    The problem is that they are right, the average consumer is mindless. 

    They do share my view actually.  Greed is #1.   That is my view of them, and that is their view for this game.

     

    B2P game for P2P price.

    That is just a fact. 

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

     

    Then why don't you tell us when profit becomes greed?

    Surely you agree the company must make a profit right? Or else they cannot pay their staff or their bills.

    So tell us, in your opinion, how much are they allowed to make, before it becomes greed?

    Yah, that is easy.  Maybe you haven't been following the discussion.

     

    Arenanet selling GW2, a B2P game, for a B2P price.   Profit.

    ZOS selling TESO, a B2P game, for P2P price.  Greed

     

    It is dishonest, and done purely out of greed.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

    No, you are "assuming" that because I don't share your view that I immediatley think this is a "golden egg".

    So typical.

    You are correct, gamers are mindless, you've shown it. You're just in a different spectrum.

    The first with your "assumption" (nice job by they way, very classic) and the second that just becuase one company hopes that a b2p payment model (with CASH SHOP) is the way to go that all companies should follow.

    Nothing to do with b2p being very close to "f2p" in that the cash shop is where they are hoping to make up their money because sales aren't going to do it alone. Didn't make that leap did you?

    Or that cash shop games (not talking pay to win because that guy is always lurking) don't guarantee a fixed income from which to plan.

    Really, would you run a business like that? come in and avail yourself of our goods. First purchase is "as is" but all purchases after that are optional. If you would like to pay that's swell otherwise no biggie. Oh, and please buy some useless T-Shirts so that we can keep our electricity on

  • CthulhuPuffsCthulhuPuffs Henderson, NVPosts: 363Member Common

    Im curious as to what they could actually put in their Item Shop.

     

    Server Change doesnt work with everyone being on 1 Mega Server.

    Campaign Change would be a silly thing to make people pay for.

    Doubt there would be a Class/Race/Faction Change option as they seem really adamant about locking players into this Realm Pride.

     

    That leaves Name Change, Additional Color Pallets, Hair Styles and other Visual Character Changes, XP/Skill Boosts, Special Mounts, Extra Bank/Inv Space.

    Thing is, in the past, these USE TO BE "Fun Items" that Players could get using In-Game Mechanics. Whether it be through a Quest, In- Game Currency or In-Game Skill.

    But you got them by paying your $15 Sub Fee and then actually PLAYING

    Now-a-days MMOs make you pay for these "Fun Items" through the Wallet Mechanic

    This is of course after you have already paid them $60 for the game AND are constantly paying them $15 mo for continued access.

    Bringer of Eternal Darkness and Despair, but also a Nutritious way to start your Morning.

    Games Played: Too Many

  • CthulhuPuffsCthulhuPuffs Henderson, NVPosts: 363Member Common

    Another thing Ive been thinking about is- How will ESOs pricing structure go over with the Console crowd?

     

    PC MMO players are used to paying Box+Sub+Extras for their games on top of Internet Access.

    But at least on a PC you can do much more with that Net Access than just play games.

     

    Not so with Consoles

    Just to play ESO, Console gamers have to pay Live/Network Access + Box Price + Sub Fee, then once in they are hit with an Item Shop

    Bringer of Eternal Darkness and Despair, but also a Nutritious way to start your Morning.

    Games Played: Too Many

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,609Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asrlohz

    The problem is that they are right, the average consumer is mindless. 

    They do share my view actually.  Greed is #1.   That is my view of them, and that is their view for this game.

     

    B2P game for P2P price.

    That is just a fact. 

     

    No merit my ass!  We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.   You are ASSUMING this is some golden egg, and is completely unique, thus we can't know its inherent value.

    GW2 went into development 2007. The same year that ZOS was founded to start development on TES:O.

    Seems a bit far fetched that ZOS copied GW2 before Arena.net had even created a single proper character model. Maybe some research would be useful before tossing around random accusations, GW2 fanboy.

    "GW2 clone" is the new "WOW clone." EQ Next is also being dismissively characterized the same way by all the "hip" forum warriors ... I guess it's an improvement of sorts image

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,609Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

    Im curious as to what they could actually put in their Item Shop.

     

    Server Change doesnt work with everyone being on 1 Mega Server.

    Campaign Change would be a silly thing to make people pay for.

    Doubt there would be a Class/Race/Faction Change option as they seem really adamant about locking players into this Realm Pride.

     

    That leaves Name Change, Additional Color Pallets, Hair Styles and other Visual Character Changes, XP/Skill Boosts, Special Mounts, Extra Bank/Inv Space.

    Thing is, in the past, these USE TO BE "Fun Items" that Players could get using In-Game Mechanics. Whether it be through a Quest, In- Game Currency or In-Game Skill.

    But you got them by paying your $15 Sub Fee and then actually PLAYING

    Now-a-days MMOs make you pay for these "Fun Items" through the Wallet Mechanic

    This is of course after you have already paid them $60 for the game AND are constantly paying them $15 mo for continued access.

    Actually, "server changes" kinda still works since PVP Campaigns work like servers - they've always talked about switching campaigns costing something - we thought it would be just PVP points (whatever they call those...I forget) but it could be $$ too.

    Race/Alliance changes could also work. All they would have to do is change your race along with the campaign swap.

    All the other stuff you're fantasizing about: XP boosts, bank space, inventory space is just that, your fantasy - no one but internet forum warriors have said that. The only concrete example they've given so far is name changes + the generic "fun stuff.'

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,152Member
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

     

    Then why don't you tell us when profit becomes greed?

    Surely you agree the company must make a profit right? Or else they cannot pay their staff or their bills.

    So tell us, in your opinion, how much are they allowed to make, before it becomes greed?

    Yah, that is easy.  Maybe you haven't been following the discussion.

     

    Arenanet selling GW2, a B2P game, for a B2P price.   Profit.

    ZOS selling TESO, a B2P game, for P2P price.  Greed

     

    It is dishonest, and done purely out of greed.

     

    You still haven't answered the question...lol

    When does profit turn to greed?

    How much money, in your opinion, are they "allowed" to make?

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

    Now you resort to name calling red herrings, and "I know you are, but what am I?"

    Then, you start rambling on about cash shops and F2P, of which I have discussed neither.

    Combined with the 90s comment, and I think its safe to assume we are dealing with a kid.

    I don't have time to teach gradeschool, so run along.

    Hey your the one who brought out the "mindless" remark. so you can call people mindless for the things they do but if you are called on it you take offense?

    Here, I'll remind you as you seem to think you have carte blanche to say what you feel like and call others out yet you don't like that lens turned on yourself:

    "You are part of the problem!  You are reinforcing the notion that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and the people, being a mindless consumers, will still purchase it."

    I brought up b2p and f2p because you brought up GW2 and their model in relation to this game. I just expanded upon that.

    Your comment: "We can look at other games and compare value.  This is a clone of GW2, a b2p game.  "

    Not sure what comment I made which was "90's but feel free to answer Adalwullf's question.

  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

     

    Then why don't you tell us when profit becomes greed?

    Surely you agree the company must make a profit right? Or else they cannot pay their staff or their bills.

    So tell us, in your opinion, how much are they allowed to make, before it becomes greed?

    Yah, that is easy.  Maybe you haven't been following the discussion.

     

    Arenanet selling GW2, a B2P game, for a B2P price.   Profit.

    ZOS selling TESO, a B2P game, for P2P price.  Greed

     

    It is dishonest, and done purely out of greed.

     

    You still haven't answered the question...lol

    When does profit turn to greed?

    How much money, in your opinion, are they "allowed" to make?

    I actually did answer the question.

    Now, if you want a random numerical answer to your loaded question, then there isn't one.  That would be dependent on the case at hand.  Nice try though.

     

    Why don't you look up Business ethics, and then respond in a few years when you know what you are talking about.

  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by Shaigh
    8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

    Best...response...ever...

  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by Shaigh
    8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

    Best...response...ever...

    This game won't have 8 million subs.

    They will probably be lucky to get 1 month sub out of most people who buy the game.

  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by Shaigh
    8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

    Best...response...ever...

    This game won't have 8 million subs.

    They will probably be lucky to get 1 month sub out of most people who buy the game.

    Can I borrow your crystal ball? I'm getting ready to sell my mountain cabin in Colorado...I need to settle on an asking price.

  • korent1991korent1991 CakovecPosts: 1,390Member
    Originally posted by Miblet
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by coretex666

    So that it is going to use the same revenue channels as the most successful MMO in the history?

    Outrage!!!

    How well has that worked out for everyone but the most successful MMO in history.  Fortunately for us, history answers that question for us.

    Almost all profitable (very rare occasions of games not breaking even and making profit in short order).

    oh really? could you write a few successful mmorpgs with p2p with a cash shop that didn't go for f2p model?

    going f2p isn't anything bad, but it means the game can't cover the costs (now or in the next planned financial report) with its existing model and trend without some radical changes.

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  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by Shaigh
    8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

    Best...response...ever...

    This game won't have 8 million subs.

    They will probably be lucky to get 1 month sub out of most people who buy the game.

    Can I borrow your crystal ball? I'm getting ready to sell my mountain cabin in Colorado...I need to settle on an asking price.

    You are going to have to borrow it from Shaigh.  I gave it back to him.

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,152Member
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
    Originally posted by Piechunks
    Originally posted by jesusjuice69
     

     

    Then why don't you tell us when profit becomes greed?

    Surely you agree the company must make a profit right? Or else they cannot pay their staff or their bills.

    So tell us, in your opinion, how much are they allowed to make, before it becomes greed?

    Yah, that is easy.  Maybe you haven't been following the discussion.

     

    Arenanet selling GW2, a B2P game, for a B2P price.   Profit.

    ZOS selling TESO, a B2P game, for P2P price.  Greed

     

    It is dishonest, and done purely out of greed.

     

    You still haven't answered the question...lol

    When does profit turn to greed?

    How much money, in your opinion, are they "allowed" to make?

    I actually did answer the question.

    Now, if you want a random numerical answer to your loaded question, then there isn't one.  That would be dependent on the case at hand.  Nice try though.

     

    Why don't you look up Business ethics, and then respond in a few years when you know what you are talking about.

     

    No you haven't answered.

    I didn't make the claim, you did. You keep saying greed, all I'm asking is how much does it take to turn profit into greed.

    They haven't broken any business ethics, that is your bias opinion. Who are you to decide what is ethical?

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