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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Hephzibah, GAPosts: 1,946Member
    Originally posted by Mr.Kujo
    Originally posted by UNATCOII
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    He can resurrect, but he isn't invincible. Unless you play games with cheats, in any existing MMORPG or even RPG, your character can be defeated (aka fail).

     

    He can rise again, as he can never truly die.

     

    Thus, he is invincible. Indomitable. Incredible.

     

    He's the hero, the man god.

     

    I think I lost your point, but in the universe you are playing, he is not a god. You have a fantasy world, where everyone can rise from the dead, so it is not godly there but normal. And in that world player is defeated, when he looses battle, not when he dies. He is a hero, he can loose, he can be defeated, but defeat is not a matter of death.

    So from the games point of view he is not invincible, he can loose. It is just not by dying like in real world, it is just a matter of different words and different laws of the fictional world. There is nothing godly about a hero in a game. Of course this is theory, in real life games are so easy you can't be defeated too xD

     

    Azerorth would not exist without the hero. If the hero was a weakling, what player would want to play anyhow? If there wasn't any players...SWG anyone?

     

    So the hero's story goes without saying, as that's for the player to fill in. Short of the permadeath likers, you bet the hero is a man god and treated as much. ;)

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Nitth   Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard Fact remains, Onyxia can swallow a human in one piece... so when she doesn't do it, and just stands there like a dumb moron (which she isn't according to her story line, by the way) while an army of weaker character beat her on the ankles, it looks cheesy.
    Soo...what your trying to say here is onixa should of just 1 shot you, then moved to the next player and continued down the line?   Trying to use logic in a fantasy universe is illogical..
    What I'm saying is that a player shouldn't be able to simple stand there when a creature the size and strength of a dragon bashes his face. Some games manage to do this just fine. It's (e.g.) having to dodge when the dragon opens his jaws to try to eat you or cut you in two tasty dead parts to feed his whelps.

    What you say makes no more logical sense than using a tank.

    If a dragon can: swipe-cleave, smash, stomp, bite, clonal fire and tail swipe with unknown dexterity, How do you rationally think you could just "dodge" out the way?

    Also putting limiters on a dragon so it "doesn't want to" or "Should not" issue a killing blow is even more absurd then a dragon attacking the person its most angry at.

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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Hephzibah, GAPosts: 1,946Member
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Fact remains, Onyxia can swallow a human in one piece... so when she doesn't do it, and just stands there like a dumb moron (which she isn't according to her story line, by the way) while an army of weaker character beat her on the ankles, it looks cheesy.


    Soo...what your trying to say here is onixa should of just 1 shot you, then moved to the next player and continued down the line?

     

    Trying to use logic in a fantasy universe is illogical..

    What I'm saying is that a player shouldn't be able to simple stand there when a creature the size and strength of a dragon bashes his face. Some games manage to do this just fine. It's (e.g.) having to dodge when the dragon opens his jaws to try to eat you or cut you in two tasty dead parts to feed his whelps.

     

    But those games tend to be single player, not with an army to back him up.

     

    Your logic here is faulty, because you're seeing it as 1 player against 1 dragon, when in that situation of Oxynia, you are being supported by a raid of 9 to 24 others.

     

    You're not fighting that dragon alone.

  • Four0SixFour0Six Missoula, MTPosts: 1,181Member Uncommon

    1. Use a massive asteroid from space to cause an extinction level event on the planet. Worked to end the era of the dinosaurs.

    2. Stop believing in dragons. Then they will go the way of all the lessor gods and fall into myth and legend.

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Four0Six
    2. Stop believing in dragons. Then they will go the way of all the lessor gods and fall into myth and legend.

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    Pretty much summarized the plot of the NES.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,546Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard Fact remains, Onyxia can swallow a human in one piece... so when she doesn't do it, and just stands there like a dumb moron (which she isn't according to her story line, by the way) while an army of weaker character beat her on the ankles, it looks cheesy.
    Soo...what your trying to say here is onixa should of just 1 shot you, then moved to the next player and continued down the line?   Trying to use logic in a fantasy universe is illogical..
    What I'm saying is that a player shouldn't be able to simple stand there when a creature the size and strength of a dragon bashes his face. Some games manage to do this just fine. It's (e.g.) having to dodge when the dragon opens his jaws to try to eat you or cut you in two tasty dead parts to feed his whelps.

     

    What you say makes no more logical sense than using a tank.

    Really? What would a "real" dragon do? Keep on bashing the plate wearer he can't dent the health of? Or turn onto the squishy healing him?

    Agro based tanks are the most nonsensical combat mechanic ever introduced to games. Good AI would make a mob turn to the most dangerous foe, not the one he not only can't hurt, but also who is barely tickling him.

    If a dragon can: swipe-cleave, smash, stomp, bite, clonal fire and tail swipe with unknown dexterity, How do you rationally think you could just "dodge" out the way?

    Also putting limiters on a dragon so it "doesn't want to" or "Should not" issue a killing blow is even more absurd then a dragon attacking the person its most angry at.

    Spoken like a person who can't imagine a game working without the trinity. I've played several, so I know it works.

    UO, AC1, GW2 of course, but also even some fights in WoW where bosses don't have a threat table, the most "famous" being the faction champions in Crusader Coliseum.

    Don't restrict what is possible to the limits of your own imagination ;)

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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Hephzibah, GAPosts: 1,946Member


    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Agro based tanks are the most nonsensical combat mechanic ever introduced to games. Good AI would make a mob turn to the most dangerous foe


     


    Huh?

    Why would the dragon only see the bits of metal with a shield, and not the mage that serves Chinese take out? lol

  • Mr.KujoMr.Kujo SwinoujsciePosts: 383Member

    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    There are exceptions, though.

     

    I was referring to legends, where the whole idea of dragon originated. I agree that in current literature they got pacified.

     

    Originally posted by Vapors
    The first dragonfight in SKYRIM, just awesome and very cool made just like a movie, with a tower u can hide with a whole army with arrows and bows, fighting him while the dragon enrages the whole area keep killing some of the army, while u can steal their arrows and keep shooting him aswell after a few he comes down u can try to behead him with ur meele weapon:D pretty much enjoyed that fight even I must admit, some others may experienced it bit easier to more lame, I just had no equip or anything so I could not even tank 2 fire breaths.

     

    It's better than most fights out there, but still ridiculous. No sane creature with wings would attack ground enemy that can't even reach it first instead of attacking the enemy that is shooting at it, hurting it. There is no taunt as far as I know, so it is basically a retarded dragon attacking units that can't harm him. You would also think that every flying carnivore would just grab victim, flew high up and drop it, not just stand there and take hits. It is done in some games, and that is awesome.

    In terms of immersion skyrim dragon battle was bad, in terms of mindless action it was decent.

     

    Originally posted by Nitth

    What you say makes no more logical sense than using a tank.

    If a dragon can: swipe-cleave, smash, stomp, bite, clonal fire and tail swipe with unknown dexterity, How do you rationally think you could just "dodge" out the way?

    Also putting limiters on a dragon so it "doesn't want to" or "Should not" issue a killing blow is even more absurd then a dragon attacking the person its most angry at.

     

    The difference between standing still taking blows and dodging is that dodging is less boring and gives the feeling of danger, which is a good thing for a game. You should be busy, the times of chatting in global while fighting dragon should be over by now.

  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member
    Why do you guys always want to kill Dragons? That's not nice! :(

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Reizla
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by iixviiiix

    How we defeat a dragon in a MMORPG ?

     

    Send the tank in to keep aggro. DPS players nuke. Healers try to keep everyone alive.

    How else?

    Send tank in for aggro..? Are you nuts? That tactic is not working in Neverwinter. Instead the tank should keep aggro on the random spawns and keep them away from the healer while the DPSers keep their focus on the dragon...

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzlcvt_neverwinter-lair-of-the-mad-dragon_videogames

    I would suggest you look up the word "sarcasm".

    (BTW, this reply is ALSO sarcastic. Please don't reply by "i have already learn that word in elementary school")

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by iixviiiix

    Top class enemy in fantasy world ,

    with big body monstrous heal and mana , skin harder than steel and an anti magic being.

    It can fly and one breath can ruin a small town , each step of it make earth shake ect ect ...

    So

    How we defeat a dragon in a MMORPG ?

    - Send a hero party to ambush when it sleep in nest

    - Bring a  thousand men army

    - Poison it food

    - Cast death's spell (lol)

    ect ect ...

    So

    Do you thing what's best way to defeat a dragon in MMORPG fantasy world ?

     

     

    If it's not actually burning your town or killing your livestock, I'd say leave it alone. I mean, you could go to its home, murder it and take its belongings, but then who's actually the villain in that scenario?

     

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Really? What would a "real" dragon do? Keep on bashing the plate wearer he can't dent the health of? Or turn onto the squishy healing him?
    Thats exactly my point, There is no such thing as a "real dragon", Trying to understand what it is capable of is madness.

    But saying a tank which is taunting and provoking the dragon because the dragon wants that guy DEAD is is just as relevant as if you think you can do some maguver roll to dodge a Swipe-Snatch-Flame attack.


    Spoken like a person who can't imagine a game working without the trinity. I've played several, so I know it works.

    UO, AC1, GW2 of course, but also even some fights in WoW where bosses don't have a threat table, the most "famous" being the faction champions in Crusader Coliseum.

    Don't restrict what is possible to the limits of your own imagination ;)


    Go look at my games list, I know what alternatives there are. im saying that your claim
    "A dragon that just hits the one tank is as unrealistic" is bogus. or atleast as bogus as ever other alternative in a fantasy universe.

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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix GSPosts: 834Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by iixviiiix

    Top class enemy in fantasy world ,

    with big body monstrous heal and mana , skin harder than steel and an anti magic being.

    It can fly and one breath can ruin a small town , each step of it make earth shake ect ect ...

    So

    How we defeat a dragon in a MMORPG ?

    Do you thing what's best way to defeat a dragon in MMORPG fantasy world ?

     

     

    If it's not actually burning your town or killing your livestock, I'd say leave it alone. I mean, you could go to its home, murder it and take its belongings, but then who's actually the villain in that scenario?

     

    Well...

    It not burning my town or kill my livestock but some of them do take away some hard earning exp % in my past games.

    You know , sudden swamp boss or type go around map for fun , sometime hide in normal mobs , they ready do a lots evil work again me and some time cause me tears because of lost

    So i do have some hostility again dragon boss

    oh

    It remind me there are a game i played that allow player turn in to a dragon with monstrous heal and damage double in pvp when one side get disadvantage and it like a nightmare when player who ready strong turn into dragon.

     because they are intelligent player "dragon" , normal way of tank and heal don't work again them , it nearly no way to take down them, best way are run away from they sign because 1 hit of dragon charge mean dead lol.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    If it's not actually burning your town or killing your livestock, I'd say leave it alone. I mean, you could go to its home, murder it and take its belongings, but then who's actually the villain in that scenario?

     

    And who says we have to be the good guys in games?

    Most MMOs are about progression and loot, while murdering whole races. They are just fantasy of exerting our power in the world.

    If it is ugly and don't look  like hot female elves, i say we kill it and get the purple drops from them.

     

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,991Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Barrikor

    The bravest, most heroic way possible:


    Roll a bolder over the entrance to the dragons lair, come back when it's starved to death.

    Biggest problem... find a boulder nearby heavy enough to stop even a 20+m long beast weighting several dozens of tons... you gonna need an army just to roll the boulder, and a lot of luck to find an appropriate boulder near enough =P

    You are getting a little carried away with the realism, fact is, in a fantasy world outside of some hugely powerful magic a large dragon would always win against the puny humans.  (You remind me of my father who hated Jurassic Park because it wasn't realistic enough)

    So you have to assume some sort of magic is involved, which in gaming terms comes down to the trinity mechanics.

    Yeah, yeah, sure sure, you can dodge and roll your brains out too, doesn't make it a better mechanic, just different

    ...and they call me the BitterVet.

     

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  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Barrikor

    The bravest, most heroic way possible:


    Roll a bolder over the entrance to the dragons lair, come back when it's starved to death.

    Biggest problem... find a boulder nearby heavy enough to stop even a 20+m long beast weighting several dozens of tons... you gonna need an army just to roll the boulder, and a lot of luck to find an appropriate boulder near enough =P

    You are getting a little carried away with the realism, fact is, in a fantasy world outside of some hugely powerful magic a large dragon would always win against the puny humans.  (You remind me of my father who hated Jurassic Park because it wasn't realistic enough)

    So you have to assume some sort of magic is involved, which in gaming terms comes down to the trinity mechanics.

    Yeah, yeah, sure sure, you can dodge and roll your brains out too, doesn't make it a better mechanic, just different

    ...and they call me the BitterVet.

     

    Pft, you joined this forum seven months after me, whippersnapper! ;)

     

    Ah yes the Jurassic Park realism debates. Been there, done that. Same with Dragons. I tend to agree, in any "realistic" fantasy settings Dragons would own puny humans.

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  • 5Luck5Luck Shelton, CTPosts: 185Member

    Classically to kill a dragon one must encumber it somehow. Either balistia chained to boulders or setting out a large pile of loot slowing it down. You can be very creative with this end of a "end game" boss type dragon like stealing its eggs(not recommended) or taming its young. It is one of those areas there are a lot of options.

    The simple hack and slash method for dragon hunting is well it's always seemed to me not true to the lore and just an excuse to have a dragon but not implementing anything of its scale.

    The other thing worthy of mention here is all dragons have that one scale. You know the one from legend when the brood mother changed and that titanic battle between dragons was faught leaving the new matriarch scared!

    Yea exploiting a weakness be it a weakened scale or that shimmering moment just before the firebreath ignites. Thats the fun of having dragons or even other big boss end game type gameplay.

    Its the choreography!

     

    Just remember to a dragon the "tank is both crunchy and chewy

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Epic way of defeating dragons = Skyrim, or hell, even GW2. At least in GW2, you're not supposed to be able to take direct massive hits from a creature like 100x bigger than you and survive, you have to avoid the hits.

    Poor artificial way = EQ/WoW clones, with a ridiculously small player character named "tank", which would in reality be crushed in one hit by the dragon, surviving despite all odds, while the stupid dragon hits him over and over again instead of one shooting all the other characters stabbing him in his ankles.

    Don't get me wrong, I raided in trinity games, notably 8 years of WoW, and had fun. But just standing there while (e.g.) Onyxia was pounding on me (I was tank), when she could actually have swallowed me whole without breaking a sweat, always seemed cheesy to.

    Did you honestly just use GW2's dragon as an example? GW2's dragon was a massive disappointment to most everyone. There was all this hype and crap about needing to kill it and save Tyria, and then when you do that... It's not even as big as it's supposed to be and you end up shooting it down and not actually engaging it in combat. It was super lame.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,546Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Epic way of defeating dragons = Skyrim, or hell, even GW2. At least in GW2, you're not supposed to be able to take direct massive hits from a creature like 100x bigger than you and survive, you have to avoid the hits.

    Poor artificial way = EQ/WoW clones, with a ridiculously small player character named "tank", which would in reality be crushed in one hit by the dragon, surviving despite all odds, while the stupid dragon hits him over and over again instead of one shooting all the other characters stabbing him in his ankles.

    Don't get me wrong, I raided in trinity games, notably 8 years of WoW, and had fun. But just standing there while (e.g.) Onyxia was pounding on me (I was tank), when she could actually have swallowed me whole without breaking a sweat, always seemed cheesy to.

    Did you honestly just use GW2's dragon as an example? GW2's dragon was a massive disappointment to most everyone. There was all this hype and crap about needing to kill it and save Tyria, and then when you do that... It's not even as big as it's supposed to be and you end up shooting it down and not actually engaging it in combat. It was super lame.

    Always that random forum dude who thinks he's part of some majority... I hate that game, so must "most everyone" else.

    And there isn't a single dragon in GW2, either.

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