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[Review] Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar: Enjoyable Game, Terrible Cash Shop

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,580MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar is a new game that brings back old-time gameplay for today's world. We've been playing it for the last few weeks and have lots to say about the game that you won't want to miss. Read on to see if you agree with our assessment and then head to the comments to offer up your thoughts.

Ultima Forever is the product of a long game of hide-and-seek between Origin and EA. Over a decade since they used the iconic license (and we aren't counting bad flash games) we have something of a canonical entry into the world of goblins, demigods, and pitchfork murders.

This iOS half-remake-half-reboot brings thumb swiping adventures back to Britannia and in the conspicuous service of "Lady" British: who says that complicated legal wrangling has to ruin your fantasy world eh? Under the service of the good "Lady" (Lord's daughter) you are tasked with saving the land and all with the aid of the classic series' eight virtues.

Read more of Adam Tingle's Ultima Forever: Enjoyable Game, Terrible Cash Shop.

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  • elcristelcrist WroclawPosts: 12Member
    there is nothing EA can't screw up...
  • uidCausticuidCaustic acworth, GAPosts: 128Member
    Still a Apple only thing eh?
  • TelondarielTelondariel Ottawa, ONPosts: 1,001Member

    It's unfortunate we see more and more games like this that are just running crazy with their monetization models.  Honestly, I think the western gaming industry's pendulum has just about swung as far as it can to the FTP side.  It was novel at first, and accessible, but corporate greed overtakes quality and polish so that its just another cash-grab piece of trash to add to the pile.

     

    I'm going back to support subscription based games again.  FFIV:ARR is getting my money this time around.  I hope other game companies follow suit.

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  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by uidCaustic
    Still a Apple only thing eh?

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/08/ultima-forever-arrives-on-ios/

    Mythic is working on Android and PC versions as well. It's a whopping 881 MB to install

  • uidCausticuidCaustic acworth, GAPosts: 128Member
    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by uidCaustic
    Still a Apple only thing eh?

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/08/ultima-forever-arrives-on-ios/

    Mythic is working on Android and PC versions as well. It's a whopping 881 MB to install

    Hence the "still".

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,532Member Uncommon

    Well seeing as the Ultima name is pretty much only worth nostalgia these days i think people should be glad a new game was made at all. As a brand it is about as dead as the dinosaur.

     

    That being said this is the new wave and all we can do is either buy in to it or walk away. Just as with previous generations. EA is really not worse then the rest... But then again they are not better either. (and before the next troglodyte brings up the "worst company of the year" award... Just ask your self... How much do i know about EA beyond my own selfish little bubble)

     

    All in all it could have been a lot worse.. Like the game that was to follow UO... The one with McFairlane as the art director...

  • ArskaaaArskaaa KauhajokiPosts: 841Member Uncommon

    Oh look! its EA!

     

    What can u expet from them.

  • TibbzTibbz Houston, TXPosts: 619Member
    overly greedy cash shop... could you expect any less from EA?  

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  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,754Member Uncommon

    There is some irony that the game that introduced the concept of moral avatars, the game that based character creation on moral choices of players ends up like this. 

    Quest for the Avatar is a search for the avatar of Mammon it would seem.

  • DenambrenDenambren Montreal, QCPosts: 320Member Uncommon

    EA, thou hast lost an eighth!

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    What a surprise... EA being greedy,

    Smile

  • jtcgsjtcgs New Port Richey, ILPosts: 1,777Member

    im sorry but shouldn't "its a tablet MMO" be placed under the "con" list?!?

    It vastly limits every aspect of the game.

    “I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

  • BrianshoBriansho Woodbridge, VAPosts: 4,779Member Uncommon
    Damn might as well just play regular Ultima Online

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • HellidolHellidol TACOMA, WAPosts: 405Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Tibbz

    overly greedy cash shop... could you expect any less from EA?  

    cash shops altogether are very bad for players, I love what wildstar is doing, that is going to be my MMO for sure.

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  • VinterkrigVinterkrig BOSTON, MAPosts: 1,672Member

    Originally posted by Hellidol



    Originally posted by Tibbz



    overly greedy cash shop... could you expect any less from EA?  

    cash shops altogether are very bad for players, I love what wildstar is doing, that is going to be my MMO for sure.

     

    Give it six months, it'll be a cash shop game.. I'd put money on it that they already have it half built in place to take over when the game bleeds too many subs.

  • MeltdownMeltdown Home, NHPosts: 1,184Member Uncommon



    Originally posted by jtcgs

    im sorry but shouldn't "its a tablet MMO" be placed under the "con" list?!?





    It vastly limits every aspect of the game.

    ^ This 100%... I downloaded this on my iphone and found the game almost unplayable with the smaller screen, it might be OK on a tablet, but I would not even bother on a phone



     

    "They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath

  • shakermaker0shakermaker0 SheffieldPosts: 194Member
    You can't hate on a game just because it's on a tablet - that's what it sets out to do. That'd be like calling out a chicken sandwich because it isn't a pie.
  • VinterkrigVinterkrig BOSTON, MAPosts: 1,672Member

    Originally posted by Meltdown







    Originally posted by jtcgs





    im sorry but shouldn't "its a tablet MMO" be placed under the "con" list?!?













    It vastly limits every aspect of the game.





    ^ This 100%... I downloaded this on my iphone and found the game almost unplayable with the smaller screen, it might be OK on a tablet, but I would not even bother on a phone










     




     

    well iphones are a few years behind on having good sized screens.. i feel bad for ya

  • InsaneDalekInsaneDalek Detroit, MIPosts: 119Member

    Ultima IV was a revolutionary RPG for its time, and still stands out today as a landmark title which made people truly think about what could be possible for what had up until that point been a fairly brainless hack & slash genre. There was no villain or overarching evil plot, it was just the tale of one man seeking spiritual enlightenment, both for himself and to provide inspiration for others to do the same. The philosophical & spiritual themes would continue for the rest of the Ultima series, IMO culminating with Ultima 7 part 2.

    This title turns it back into a brainless hack & slash game. They throw in a generic bad guy (The weep? WTF), dumb down the complex moral & ethical dilemmas present throughout the original series into Bioware's signature, "Good, Neutral, Evil" dialogue tree (except even more shallow), and generally just transforms it into the exact opposite of what the original Ultima IV was.

    It's a brainless, soulless cash grab with all the moral complexity of a spitball. It's not anywhere NEAR worthy of a 6, a 4, or even a 1. Hell, a rating of ZERO would be too good for it.

    If you want to know what Ultima was REALLY about, do yourself a favor and go buy the originals on GOG. You'll spend less money, and they might even make you think a little bit.

    It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

  • CypeqCypeq TychyPosts: 66Member
    Owners of apple tablets can drop money into the sinkhole game
  • BruwinBruwin Roseburg, ORPosts: 54Member

    Originally posted by InsaneDalek

    Ultima IV was a revolutionary RPG for its time, and still stands out today as a landmark title which made people truly think about what could be possible for what had up until that point been a fairly brainless hack & slash genre. There was no villain or overarching evil plot, it was just the tale of one man seeking spiritual enlightenment, both for himself and to provide inspiration for others to do the same. The philosophical & spiritual themes would continue for the rest of the Ultima series, IMO culminating with Ultima 7 part 2.

    This title turns it back into a brainless hack & slash game. They throw in a generic bad guy (The weep? WTF), dumb down the complex moral & ethical dilemmas present throughout the original series into Bioware's signature, "Good, Neutral, Evil" dialogue tree (except even more shallow), and generally just transforms it into the exact opposite of what the original Ultima IV was.

    It's a brainless, soulless cash grab with all the moral complexity of a spitball. It's not anywhere NEAR worthy of a 6, a 4, or even a 1. Hell, a rating of ZERO would be too good for it.

    If you want to know what Ultima was REALLY about, do yourself a favor and go buy the originals on GOG. You'll spend less money, and they might even make you think a little bit.

    Better yet, the original Ultima IV is 100% free on GOG. So even if you're somehow unwilling to buy the later games in the series, IV won't cost you anything but time.

  • artfulpainartfulpain Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 7Member

    Whenever Ultima Online was taken over by EA, I had a feeling they would eventually make a game like this. I encourage all Ultima lovers to support https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/

    Shroud of the Avatar is the “spiritual successor” to Richard’s previous work in the FRP genre. Our primary objectives are to tell a story even more compelling than Ultimas IV-VII, create a virtual world more interactive than Ultima VII, develop deep rich multi-player capabilities beyond combat akin to Ultima Online, and offer a bold new approach to integrate them with “Selective Multi-Player”.

    Hey listen! A dev. team that is actually commited to making a great game. https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?page_id=26862

     

    Oh and it's approaching $2.5 million in BACKERS. Not corporate backers mind you. 

     

     



     

  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member
    Originally posted by Scot

    There is some irony that the game that introduced the concept of moral avatars, the game that based character creation on moral choices of players ends up like this. 

    Quest for the Avatar is a search for the avatar of Mammon it would seem.

    "One can either only serve one lord: god or the mammon." Translate god = whatever good you believe in. It is a shame of all the good games they had to abuse Ultima for this farce of a game.

    I NEVER understood the lure of "mobile" gaming. Sorry, but I found all mobile games trash. *shrug*

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member
    Originally posted by Denambren

    EA, thou hast lost an eighth!

    Ponder this well, oh seeker! image

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,133Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Vinterkrig



    Originally posted by Hellidol








    Originally posted by Tibbz







    overly greedy cash shop... could you expect any less from EA?  




    cash shops altogether are very bad for players, I love what wildstar is doing, that is going to be my MMO for sure.

     

    Give it six months, it'll be a cash shop game.. I'd put money on it that they already have it half built in place to take over when the game bleeds too many subs.

    Not always. Depends on how much money they can make on their model. If they can do better than cash shop than actually they might not only stick with but others might copy that model too.

     

    There are no certainties in life.

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