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[General Article] WildStar: Revenue Model Revealed

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  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,815Member
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by doodphace

    You see, its not semantics though....the post you quoted me on specifically stated titan wouldnt be sub, but didnt confirm B2P or F2P....you then linked me with an article with the headline of "Titan will be F2P", with you actually quoting the headline, but then the article went on to say exactly what u were "back and foruthing" me on, that it prob wont have a sub, but its TBD weather it would be F2P or B2P.....when i called you out for only reading the headline and not the article, now all of a sudden we are arguing about semantics? If that were the case, you woulndt have threw that article at me....

    SIGH lol

    The only reason this started was because someone said F2P is going away in favor of monthly payments or something like that.I pointed out Blizzard and SOE's approaches as going the f2p route, which when I think of F2P i'm thinking in terms of monthly, not a one time payment or free up front cost. Just to show where my head was at. Not that I expect you to see reason, as it seems your goal is to win; where as I'm not thinking in terms of winning or losing, I'm just trying to explain my mindset.

      Anywho yes /sigh....

    Let me refresh your memory as to what actually started this:

    YOU: You're forgetting about the upcoming big-kids on the block, EQn and Titan, both of which are slated for F2P.

    ME: Titan was confirmed as not being sub based, but they mentioned nothing about it being "F2P".

    YOU: You were saying?

    http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/blizzards-titan-looking-at-a-f2p-model/

    "Blizzard’s Upcoming MMO, Titan, will have a free to play model!"

     

    So lets recap, when the actual article you linked went on to say exactly what I had just said (you know, the thing you wanted to argue with), that it prob wont have a sub, but its up in the air as to weather it would be F2P or B2P.....when i called you out for only reading the headline and not the actual article, now all of a sudden we are arguing about semantics? If that were the case, you woulndt have threw that article at me in the first place with a snarky "you were saying?", because it 100% said exactly what I previously did..

  • seegeekrunseegeekrun Milwaukee, WIPosts: 10Member
    Originally posted by Muntz
    Originally posted by Psion33
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    B2P and F2P share a common defining trait in that they are both sub-free where as P2P is sub-locked.  They aren't identical, but share the common paradigm that sub-locked does not.  When a company like Blizzard says it's probably not P2P they can only mean sub-free in one form or another.
    Then again, until I heard Wildstar tryinig to pass of a PLEX system as a hybrid payment model, I would have thought this to be fairly straight forward.

     

    It's really sad you had to spell that out. Just shows the depravity level of those that require subsidized gaming.

    Doesn't the gold selling part go on whether or not it is provided by the game developer? So does that make a P2P a third-world subsidizing model? I had not thought about how noble it is to be a P2P purist. 

    In-game currency  selling and payment models are two different subjects. They're obviously not mutually exclusive, but to say  that because gold selling happens in P2P that it is therefore subsidized gaming, doesn't follow.  You still need to pay real money to play the game. With in Warcraft specifically, there's really no end-game benefit through gold. It's there to obtain mounts and transmog gear. So it's spent in the auction house or the in-game black market (a gold sink), or at the end of an expansion by paying guilds for heroic mode mount runs, as was the case at the end of Cataclysm.

  • FugenchutenzFugenchutenz Melbourne, FLPosts: 5Member
    I'm extatic! The best games I've played were subs and I have no problems paying 140 bucks a year to play the game as long as it's well made and has great playability, which most do.  
  • darkrain21darkrain21 philadelphia, PAPosts: 274Member

    For those saying P2P is obsolete im going to have to disagree with you. A few reasons why

    1. If it was obsolete then World of Warcraft would not still be the reigning champ.

    2. Its not that companies do F2P for the players they do it because it is a faster more direct way of making money. What F2P allows a company to do is work less on new content and more on profit. When you have to spend the time to make these items on the Item mall you are using the term "content" in its truest form.

    Please dont take this as me saying f2p is bad, by no means do I think that I just think people should be educated that P2P and F2P are the same general buisness ideas just one is direct profit and the other is gradual profit. Neather one is by any means obsolete and they never will be.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    This game wasn't of too much interest to me. I would have tried it if it were f2p though.

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  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
     Yay a subscription game! I'm in, to heck with EQN and SOE greed FTP model that gouges and nickles and dimes at every corner. For "cartoony" games Wildstar will be my game of choice. Hopefully TESO, or black desert can be my more realistic less cartoony game of choice. (yes I really am that tired of the WoW/freerealms/EQN cloned cartoon style.)
  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,533Member Uncommon
    oh now i may have to check this game out... good news indeed..
  • UngodlyUngodly Seattle, WAPosts: 9Member

    This works great for me!

    I have always felt that subscriptions are just fine if the game is great.  I spend 15 bucks on a lunch at a coffee when I'm at work. Big deal. 

    If the game is bad? I won't play long enough to pay the first month anyway, so the onus is on them to do well. 

    On principle alone, I am not a fan of free-to-play games. I think it trains gamers to not value what a developer has put on the table and that games are trivial to make. How many people just download only free games and move from free game to free game without spending a dime? They just assume "Oh, someone else will by all the crap in the cash shop". And to an extent that is true. But eventually, no one will want the crap in the cash shop, but the developer still needs to make money. And by then games will have been completely devalued.

    I will admit, I prefer something like GW2's model (pay once, never again), but with a server-based game, it takes a special scenario to make that work.

    How many of you that are complaining about this pricing model actually play free-to-play games as they are intended? Playing the game, and buying what you want, that is.

    I would wager you don't spend  anything on these games, so you aren't really a CUSTOMER at all, are you? And if you do spend money? How much to you spend? What is acceptable to you? 

  • darkrain21darkrain21 philadelphia, PAPosts: 274Member
    Originally posted by winter
     Yay a subscription game! I'm in, to heck with EQN and SOE greed FTP model that gouges and nickles and dimes at every corner. For "cartoony" games Wildstar will be my game of choice. Hopefully TESO, or black desert can be my more realistic less cartoony game of choice. (yes I really am that tired of the WoW/freerealms/EQN cloned cartoon style.)
     

    ESO...realistic? 

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,901Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by doodphace

    You see, its not semantics though....the post you quoted me on specifically stated titan wouldnt be sub, but didnt confirm B2P or F2P....you then linked me with an article with the headline of "Titan will be F2P", with you actually quoting the headline, but then the article went on to say exactly what u were "back and foruthing" me on, that it prob wont have a sub, but its TBD weather it would be F2P or B2P.....when i called you out for only reading the headline and not the article, now all of a sudden we are arguing about semantics? If that were the case, you woulndt have threw that article at me....

    SIGH lol

    The only reason this started was because someone said F2P is going away in favor of monthly payments or something like that.I pointed out Blizzard and SOE's approaches as going the f2p route, which when I think of F2P i'm thinking in terms of monthly, not a one time payment or free up front cost. Just to show where my head was at. Not that I expect you to see reason, as it seems your goal is to win; where as I'm not thinking in terms of winning or losing, I'm just trying to explain my mindset.

      Anywho yes /sigh....

    Let me refresh your memory as to what actually started this:

    YOU: You're forgetting about the upcoming big-kids on the block, EQn and Titan, both of which are slated for F2P.

    ME: Titan was confirmed as not being sub based, but they mentioned nothing about it being "F2P".

    YOU: You were saying?

    http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/blizzards-titan-looking-at-a-f2p-model/

    "Blizzard’s Upcoming MMO, Titan, will have a free to play model!"

    So lets recap, when the actual article went on to say exactly what I had just said (you know, the thing you wanted to argue with), that it prob wont have a sub, but its up in the air as to weather it would be F2P or B2P.....when i called you out for only reading the headline and not the article, now all of a sudden we are arguing about semantics? If that were the case, you woulndt have threw that article at me in the first place....

    WHo said I only read the headline? that was conjecture on your part, you had me set up from there on out, when he said unlikely to have a sub, my mindset said, it's free to play. HEnce my joking response to you," what will they charge skittles?"

    Which at that point you should have figured I'm referring to monthly costs. Yet no, you went on to say next  "what are you going to say B2P and F2P are the same thing to save face?" another set-up aimed against me explaining myself and winning the internets. To which I tried explaining myself anyway, and here we are... And yes I'm done this time. As this is obviously going no where.

    You win....

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • KazaraKazara merritt island, FLPosts: 1,075Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

    I wish I could write that I thought they were pushing a good idea forward. However, in today's market it is nearly impossible for any game to justify a subscription on top of the digital / box purchase fee. There are simply too many other free to play options just as good in their own way and in a genre where the typical game lasts the average user two to three months tops before they move on to the next big thing there is simply no incentive to subscribe. It is a deterrent. Being a jaded old bast.. er coot I figure they know this and are cashing in on subscriptions for as long as they feel they can get away with it before having a free to play re-launch somewhere in the foreseeable future.

     

    I agree. For many gamers, most theme park games just no longer warrant a subscription after they quickly churn through the content. The developer will undoubtedly cash in as much as possible in game sales and subscription fees before being forced to go  F2P. I would happily pay a subscription for an MMO world I can truly immerse myself in for several months if not years, but theme park MMO models just don't cut it long term.

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  • itchmonitchmon west islip, NYPosts: 1,714Member Uncommon

    i'm happy about the subscription model but i think 60 for the box is way too high.

     

    i would have expected 20 for the box and the standard fee, or 30 if you actually go to a bricks and mortar and pick up a physical box.

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  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,978Member Uncommon

    Despite not thinking that this is really a title that would interest me, I feel strangely compelled by this news to buy a copy and sub for 3 months or so just to show some solidarity for their support of P2P.

    Maybe I'll pay it a little closer attention at launch and see if it's actually worthwhile and consider playing.

     

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  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Magicabbage

    Well that settles it. I won't be getting it. I have so many quality games that are F2P that there is no reason to pay a monthly fee. That model is old and dated. The typical "13.99" a month? Really? Why not some random arbitrary number like 5.99? It's not the price that makes me shy away. It's the fact that I don't want to pay anything unless I want some "skins" or mounts or housing stuff or bag slots.

    The game looks great and fun and I don't care if the game is a "WoW clone" (I hate that term)

    I am kind of happy this is their model choice. It's one less game I have to worry about getting. With Elder Scrolls Online and EQNext on the horizon I can just now follow them.

    Peace!

     

     

     I don't think you will be missed. The "I don't want to pay anything" but will play for free and have fun entitled crowd really is kind of sad. Have fun hoping other people are always willing to pay for your enjoyment.

  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,815Member
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by doodphace

    You see, its not semantics though....the post you quoted me on specifically stated titan wouldnt be sub, but didnt confirm B2P or F2P....you then linked me with an article with the headline of "Titan will be F2P", with you actually quoting the headline, but then the article went on to say exactly what u were "back and foruthing" me on, that it prob wont have a sub, but its TBD weather it would be F2P or B2P.....when i called you out for only reading the headline and not the article, now all of a sudden we are arguing about semantics? If that were the case, you woulndt have threw that article at me....

    SIGH lol

    The only reason this started was because someone said F2P is going away in favor of monthly payments or something like that.I pointed out Blizzard and SOE's approaches as going the f2p route, which when I think of F2P i'm thinking in terms of monthly, not a one time payment or free up front cost. Just to show where my head was at. Not that I expect you to see reason, as it seems your goal is to win; where as I'm not thinking in terms of winning or losing, I'm just trying to explain my mindset.

      Anywho yes /sigh....

    Let me refresh your memory as to what actually started this:

    YOU: You're forgetting about the upcoming big-kids on the block, EQn and Titan, both of which are slated for F2P.

    ME: Titan was confirmed as not being sub based, but they mentioned nothing about it being "F2P".

    YOU: You were saying?

    http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/blizzards-titan-looking-at-a-f2p-model/

    "Blizzard’s Upcoming MMO, Titan, will have a free to play model!"

    So lets recap, when the actual article went on to say exactly what I had just said (you know, the thing you wanted to argue with), that it prob wont have a sub, but its up in the air as to weather it would be F2P or B2P.....when i called you out for only reading the headline and not the article, now all of a sudden we are arguing about semantics? If that were the case, you woulndt have threw that article at me in the first place....

    WHo said I only read the headline? that was conjecture on your part, you had me set up from there on out, when he said unlikely to have a sub, my mindset said, it's free to play. HEnce my joking response to you," what will they charge skittles?"

    Which at that point you should have figured I'm referring to monthly costs. Yet no, you went on to say next  "what are you going to say B2P and F2P are the same thing to save face?" another set-up aimed against me explaining myself and winning the internets. To which I tried explaining myself anyway, and here we are... And yes I'm done this time. As this is obviously going no where.

    You win....

    Why would you link an article that said exactly what I just did, preceeded by a "you were saying?" You clearly ment for that article to contradict what i said, right?.....and the only way you could have thought that the article went against my post...is by only reading the headline.....see where im going here? (I think u knew all long). I think the point is clear for all by now, lets stop filling up this thread  ;)

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon

    Ahwell. Was hoping for GW2's model. I don't play sub games anymore. I'll rather spend the money on things I choose, instead of giving the devs an arbitrary amount of cash every month to do as they please.

    See you guys when this goes F2P, within the first year I'd wager.

  • seegeekrunseegeekrun Milwaukee, WIPosts: 10Member
    Originally posted by Kazara
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

    I wish I could write that I thought they were pushing a good idea forward. However, in today's market it is nearly impossible for any game to justify a subscription on top of the digital / box purchase fee. There are simply too many other free to play options just as good in their own way and in a genre where the typical game lasts the average user two to three months tops before they move on to the next big thing there is simply no incentive to subscribe. It is a deterrent. Being a jaded old bast.. er coot I figure they know this and are cashing in on subscriptions for as long as they feel they can get away with it before having a free to play re-launch somewhere in the foreseeable future.

     

    I agree. For many gamers, most theme park games just no longer warrant a subscription after they quickly churn through the content. The developer will undoubtedly cash in as much as possible in game sales and subscription fees before being forced to go  F2P. I would happily pay a subscription for an MMO world I can truly immerse myself in for several months if not years, but theme park MMO models just don't cut it long term.

    I've read "Theme Park" game thrown around a few times here, so I'm curious--

     

    What that mean exactly to the people using it and how are we able to apply it (I'm assuming negatively) to a game that isn't slated for release until Spring 2014?

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,901Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Despite not thinking that this is really a title that would interest me, I feel strangely compelled by this news to buy a copy and sub for 3 months or so just to show some solidarity for their support of P2P.

    Maybe I'll pay it a little closer attention at launch and see if it's actually worthwhile and consider playing.

     

    Horrible plan, as you're still supporting a product not aimed at you, on top of that 3 months and quit is the typical path of those who have forced many a P2P, into the position of going f2P.

    You're only showing a trend that you're interested in the ideas/design/look, yet not enough to stick around for a P2P version of it. Which in turn the dev/pub will blame P2P for the failing just as everyone else has in the past.

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  • ellobo29ellobo29 warren, MIPosts: 406Member Uncommon

    Meh, Wildstar looks ok and all.....but EQN looks better.......I think I will just stick to Everquest Next. Game dont look good enough for a subscription.

    GOOD LUCK THOU

     

  • tordurbartordurbar Alexandria, VAPosts: 429Member

    Being a sub model Wildstar might have a rough start but I am very happy that they are offering it. This game looks just awesome. My enthusiasm for action combat has waned but the housing, crafting, story, humor and yes, the graphics, ensure that the question is not if I will sub but for how long. 

    I totally agree with what was said about ftp games not being the best quality. Interesting that the GW2 model was mentioned - and rejected. GW2 is a great game but these story updates have not interested me at all. Though GW2 is "the fast selling mmo of all time" I notice that the NC sales numbers put Lineage as a much better performer. I do not mean to knock GW2 - just the payment model. I would almost bet that if GW2 was a sub model (and it is good enough to be one) if there would not be an expansion in the works.

    As for the release date moving to 2014 I am not surprised or upset. Though every race and class was announced I have seen no videos of the new races in action, nor has there been any mention of open beta testing. That is fine with me. "Release it when it is ready" is an excellent mantra. Yes, the more I hear from them the more I like Carbine and makes me REALLY want Wildstar.

  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon

    YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

    Great effing news!!

    Currently playing: -

    Waiting for: Class4.

    Dead and Buried: ESO, NWO, GW2, SWTOR, Darkfall, AO, AC2, Vanguard, CoH/V, EnB, EVE, Neocron, FE, EQ, EQ2, DAoC, FFXI, FFXIV, SWG, WoW, and billions of eastern junks!

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by adam_nox

    it's healthy "sum" author, not "some".

     

    And why are there so many replies to this article, do people actually give a crap about this game? 

     

    Sadly, there's a huge amount of inconsistency in the mmo fanbase when it comes to buying power.  Money in these games is power.  It certainly was in EVE, and it will be in Wildstar.  When a game does NOT allow these transactions, the fanboys are in total agreement that anyone who buys gold should be castrated immediately, perhaps even cutting in front of pedos in the castration line.

     

    But when a game allows it, fanboys make all sorts of apologies and excuses and argue all day long that it's not pay2win (which can mean any number of things, so they get to pretend they win that argument when it means nothing to do so).

     Do people care about this game? Obviously they do or people like you would not waste their time posting in its thread. Perhaps some thought before posting would be in order?

       Simply put Like it or hate it you do care or you would not have posted.

  • kaz350kaz350 round rock, TXPosts: 56Member

    I'm SHOCKED at the amount of people that would perfer F2P over a sub...for $15 you get the ENTIRE GAME !!

     

    You dont have to pay for your

    1. helmet show/not show
    2. your last name visable
    3. Special story quest
    4. mounts
    5. compainions
    6. flavor gear
    7. bag space
    8. bank bag space
    9. pets
    10. clearly P2W style enchants
    11. Passes to PVP
    12. Passes to Dungeons
    13. Passes to Raid
    14. Dyes for gear
    15. items to change your gear to other looks
     
     
    Need I go on? You people are INSANE!!!
  • Psion33Psion33 La Crosse, WIPosts: 248Member
    Thanks to all the responses here and everything...I was able to make a sig. :D
  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,901Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kaz350

    I'm SHOCKED at the amount of people that would perfer F2P over a sub...for $15 you get the ENTIRE GAME !!

     

    You dont have to pay for your

    1. helmet show/not show
    2. your last name visable
    3. Special story quest
    4. mounts
    5. compainions
    6. flavor gear
    7. bag space
    8. bank bag space
    9. pets
    10. clearly P2W style enchants
    11. Passes to PVP
    12. Passes to Dungeons
    13. Passes to Raid
    14. Dyes for gear
    15. items to change your gear to other looks
     
     
    Need I go on? You people are INSANE!!!

    I agree, especially in cases like TOR, EQ2 early on and AOC early on.. Why would more play them free when they cost so much more to get the basics?

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

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