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  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,915Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Kajidourden
    Originally posted by sbanting

     Due to SW opening my eyes to more of the Role Playing side, I really enjoyed that, so now I try and listen and understand the story, but when text reels on forever, with strange words, and funny grammar, it just ends up being skipped.

    Oh, strange words...meaning words you don't know....but your lack of vocabulary is the devs fault....got it.

     

    This is quite normal in Japanese to English translations, as our languages are completely different. Akira was a good transition, because those doing it understood these fundamental differences.  So yes these types of abnormal phrases are the fault of the devs.

    This is a good point. When I was a kid, there was an anime that was ported to English that I loved. It was called Star Blazers. Recently I found out the Japanese remade the Anime. It's called Uchuu Senkan Yamato. Literally translated "Space Battleship Yamato". But in the West, we don't use that term. We say something like "Starship Enterprise". Without a full understanding of the language and the culture and it's contexts, translations are difficult. And a lot of Japanese to English translations end up using some strange terminology. That said, the game isn't totally devoid of voices. There are some cut scenes. Just not many.

     

    However, I'm not seeing this translation effect in the game. It's pretty clear. And even make some references to Western Pop culture. Like a Fate fighting giant crabs titled "Sister Crustacean" 

    HA, I just watched Star Blazers the other day for the first time, off a bing search for 80's cartoons.

    I also agree I personally haven't seen many off translations thus far myself.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon

    Voice acting is a nice feature.

    I just think we need to be more careful with our criticism as it may send a message to the developers and influence the way the budgets for game development are being distributed.

    There are more important aspects of MMORPGs than graphic or voice acting and we should try to avoid presenting VA like it is a market standard which has to be met by every MMO.  It does not.

    MMORPGs have never been about graphic or voice acting.

    If you are really disappointed by the fact that a game does not have voice acting, there are still better ways how to interpret it than the one OP chose.

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 4,479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by coretex666

    New generation of MMO players is ruining the genre with complaints like:

    "There are no voices"

    "The graphic looks old and cartoony"

    "What? Why did they go with the prehistoric tab targeting. I demand action combat. You know...the one I am used to from playing arcade console games"

    "Too many action bars and skills, how am I supposed to play the game on my joypad"

    "It takes too long to level up"

    "Vertical progression has no place in MMORPGs, it ruins balance in PVP"

    "It is too grindy. I want my legendary gear NOW"

    "Only griefers want OWPVP"

    "Why would I buy an expensive PC when I can get cheap PS4"

    "What? The game is PC only? I am not playing any MMOs that do not support consoles"

    Disgusting!

     

     

     

    They are ruining things for sure but it is worse that that.  Game has VO they complain about that.  If it doesn't have VO they complain about that.  It is like children trying to push their parents limits because they feel powerless.  That's how I see many of the complaining players in forums, as powerless children crying to get their way.

  • zevianzevian toledo, OHPosts: 401Member Uncommon
    I havent played in beta phase 4 but i did the others, The no voice over thing was OK, but i expected them to voice over the main story line.    Did they do that?
  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,915Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by coretex666

    New generation of MMO players is ruining the genre with complaints like:

    "There are no voices"

    "The graphic looks old and cartoony"

    "What? Why did they go with the prehistoric tab targeting. I demand action combat. You know...the one I am used to from playing arcade console games"

    "Too many action bars and skills, how am I supposed to play the game on my joypad"

    "It takes too long to level up"

    "Vertical progression has no place in MMORPGs, it ruins balance in PVP"

    "It is too grindy. I want my legendary gear NOW"

    "Only griefers want OWPVP"

    "Why would I buy an expensive PC when I can get cheap PS4"

    "What? The game is PC only? I am not playing any MMOs that do not support consoles"

    Disgusting!

     

     

     

    They are ruining things for sure but it is worse that that.  Game has VO they complain about that.  If it doesn't have VO they complain about that.  It is like children trying to push their parents limits because they feel powerless.  That's how I see many of the complaining players in forums, as powerless children crying to get their way.

    (red) The they you're referring to is a bunch of different individuals with different preferences, it's not the same people. As for the rest of your post (yellow), it's clear who not to try and have a conversation with.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • JonnyBigBossJonnyBigBoss Murrieta, CAPosts: 699Member
    Voice acting is extremely expensive and does very little for an MMO. Most people skipped SWTOR's cutscenes after a few levels, the same would be true here. I'd much rather they invest that money elsewhere.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 4,479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by coretex666

    New generation of MMO players is ruining the genre with complaints like:

    "There are no voices"

    "The graphic looks old and cartoony"

    "What? Why did they go with the prehistoric tab targeting. I demand action combat. You know...the one I am used to from playing arcade console games"

    "Too many action bars and skills, how am I supposed to play the game on my joypad"

    "It takes too long to level up"

    "Vertical progression has no place in MMORPGs, it ruins balance in PVP"

    "It is too grindy. I want my legendary gear NOW"

    "Only griefers want OWPVP"

    "Why would I buy an expensive PC when I can get cheap PS4"

    "What? The game is PC only? I am not playing any MMOs that do not support consoles"

    Disgusting!

     

     

     

    They are ruining things for sure but it is worse that that.  Game has VO they complain about that.  If it doesn't have VO they complain about that.  It is like children trying to push their parents limits because they feel powerless.  That's how I see many of the complaining players in forums, as powerless children crying to get their way.

    (red) The they you're referring to is a bunch of different individuals with different preferences, it's not the same people. As for the rest of your post (yellow), it's clear who not to try and have a conversation with.

    Nice try, I have seen people say one thing and do another.  YOu have a different experience that's fine but I have another.  You can't accept it fine.

  • PulsarManPulsarMan Tampa, FLPosts: 289Member
    Originally posted by Pouf

    Yea i kinda like it that way too, there are just enough event for me to watch them all.

     

    I loved it in SWTOR at first, but I ended up spamming "space bar" to skip WAY before level 50

    Same here man. 

  • KajidourdenKajidourden Panama City, FLPosts: 619Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Kajidourden
    Originally posted by sbanting

     Due to SW opening my eyes to more of the Role Playing side, I really enjoyed that, so now I try and listen and understand the story, but when text reels on forever, with strange words, and funny grammar, it just ends up being skipped.

    Oh, strange words...meaning words you don't know....but your lack of vocabulary is the devs fault....got it.

     

    This is quite normal in Japanese to English translations, as our languages are completely different. Akira was a good transition, because those doing it understood these fundamental differences.  So yes these types of abnormal phrases are the fault of the devs.

    Wrong again.  The translations are just fine.  This guy simply doesn't know the words or the accent expression in the text.  Its a trait most people who actually READ have.  And it's an extra layer of depth and personality for each character, or the city they're from, etc.

    Just because it looks funny to you doesn't mean it's wrong.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon

    Voice overs are over rated, and at best are just fluff.

    Upset because they aren't part of a game?  That's just silly.

    There ARE quite a few voice overs in the game already, and they ARE adding more, yet I really couldn't care less, I've been reading books since I was four, and they've taken me places no movie or TV show ever could, the written word is a powerful medium, use your imagination.

  • PluppetsPluppets Black FlagPosts: 45Member
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by coretex666

    New generation of MMO players is ruining the genre with complaints like:

    "There are no voices"

    "The graphic looks old and cartoony"

    "What? Why did they go with the prehistoric tab targeting. I demand action combat. You know...the one I am used to from playing arcade console games"

    "Too many action bars and skills, how am I supposed to play the game on my joypad"

    "It takes too long to level up"

    "Vertical progression has no place in MMORPGs, it ruins balance in PVP"

    "It is too grindy. I want my legendary gear NOW"

    "Only griefers want OWPVP"

    "Why would I buy an expensive PC when I can get cheap PS4"

    "What? The game is PC only? I am not playing any MMOs that do not support consoles"

    Disgusting!

     

     

     

    They are ruining things for sure but it is worse that that.  Game has VO they complain about that.  If it doesn't have VO they complain about that.  It is like children trying to push their parents limits because they feel powerless.  That's how I see many of the complaining players in forums, as powerless children crying to get their way.

    (red) The they you're referring to is a bunch of different individuals with different preferences, it's not the same people. As for the rest of your post (yellow), it's clear who not to try and have a conversation with.

    I think his point is that the community at large has diametrically opposed standards.

    I also think it's true that the same personality types are the ones most likely to complain, be it for or against VO.  So, to say 'they' in this context is actually fairly accurate.  lol XD

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,915Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Pluppets
    Originally posted by Distopia
     

    (red) The they you're referring to is a bunch of different individuals with different preferences, it's not the same people. As for the rest of your post (yellow), it's clear who not to try and have a conversation with.

    I think his point is that the community at large has diametrically opposed standards.

    I also think it's true that the same personality types are the ones most likely to complain, be it for or against VO.  So, to say 'they' in this context is actually fairly accurate.  lol XD

    That may be the case, maybe I jumped the gun. However it wouldn't be the first time I've seen the two sides lumped together in a manner where they're seen as one contradictory voice. Which would be like saying that about Liberals and Conservatives.:D

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    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • sharpshadesharpshade Kingsport, TNPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by coretex666

    New generation of MMO players is ruining the genre with complaints like:

    "There are no voices"

    "The graphic looks old and cartoony"

    "What? Why did they go with the prehistoric tab targeting. I demand action combat. You know...the one I am used to from playing arcade console games"

    "Too many action bars and skills, how am I supposed to play the game on my joypad"

    "It takes too long to level up"

    "Vertical progression has no place in MMORPGs, it ruins balance in PVP"

    "It is too grindy. I want my legendary gear NOW"

    "Only griefers want OWPVP"

    "Why would I buy an expensive PC when I can get cheap PS4"

    "What? The game is PC only? I am not playing any MMOs that do not support consoles"

    Disgusting!

     

     

     

    OMG I'm so happy to see this lol! I was just complaining to a good friend of mine yesterday about this. I know I'm an old-er gamer but this is really what it's come down to and I can't take it anymore. I've been in such a gaming rutt because everything shiney and new that comes out, I get my hopes up, only to find out it's some gamepad, action combat borefest. FFXIV may be having some issues right now with errors and log-ins but I have finally found a new MMO home and I couldn't be happier.

  • ZenTaoYingYangZenTaoYingYang BahrainPosts: 354Member
    Please remember everyone that this kind if threads happen at the beginning of each beta phase, the people who does not like the game will log off after reaching level 5 or 10 And start threads bashing it in the forum.
    After beta phase ends, most people who are enjoying the game are just done playing it and did Not have time to visit the forums. Only then, you will start seeing much more positive feedback then negative.

    In the many polls over this game on many sites, most of the testers had positive feedback
  • Mr.KujoMr.Kujo SwinoujsciePosts: 383Member

    It scares me that there are people that say they don't like to read and reading is no fun, so they want someone else to read for them.

    Is it lack of imagination, or the need to have 100% action in a role playing game? Or becoming more widespread analphabetism?

    Voice acting shouldn't be ever mandatory in game industry, there should always be a choice. You might as well require audio to every book you buy. Don't try to make the world more crazy than it already is.

  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,660Member Uncommon
    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of an amazing game and ensure it's success, I mean just look at SWTOR!
  • GormogonGormogon Waukegan, ILPosts: 188Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kaiser3282
    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of an amazing game and ensure it's success, I mean just look at SWTOR!

     

    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of a terrible game and ensure that it will fail ...

  • Syno23Syno23 LA, CA, CAPosts: 1,360Member
    Originally posted by Gormogon
    Originally posted by kaiser3282
    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of an amazing game and ensure it's success, I mean just look at SWTOR!

     

    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of a terrible game and ensure that it will fail ...

    They've had to redo all the storytelling, graphical engine and everything. I don't think that they could afford to make this game fully voiced. Like Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2, XIII-3, and XV.

  • ArakaziArakazi OxfordPosts: 889Member
    The new generation of gamer has only known Final Fantasy 12, 13 and 14. Not exactly the greatest of the series, so I have to question if this is such a big IP as many of us believe. It's probably only large in the minds of Japanese and Final Fantasy fans such as me who have played them since back at Final Fantasy 6.
  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,660Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gormogon
    Originally posted by kaiser3282
    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of an amazing game and ensure it's success, I mean just look at SWTOR!

     

    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of a terrible game and ensure that it will fail ...

    When's the last time you heard someone praise a game just because it had voice overs? The whole thread is basically just grasping at anything possible to complain about. Are well done voice overs a nice addition? Sure. But they're not going to turn a bad game into a good game, and lack of them wont turn a good game into a bad one.

  • dreamscaperdreamscaper Somewhere, NCPosts: 1,582Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by LlexX
    Voices are not important at all for an MMORPG.

     

    Agreed. It's nice for a single player RPG, but even then it's not necessary.

    <3

  • sbantingsbanting MiddlesbroughPosts: 238Member

    Apart from what I've already said, about strange words, and I mean place names and peoples names etc, not, I can't read English or their turns of phrases, even though, at times, thats a little strange too, but I deal with that from a game thats translated.

     

    My main point that i'd like to say though, is in a book, as everyone keeps referencing, has emotions, has little discriptions of why the person is feeling the way tey do, and portrays thats to the reader. An MMO can't with just text, it would be alright if at least the NPCs were animated to convey emotion, but again they aren't, so the reader of the script has to interpret the whole thing instead. Voice overs are apart of the whole Final Fantasy experience in the single player rpgs, and at the end of the day, thats where the MMO came from. So I don't understand people saying it shouldn't be apart of the MMO experience, would Skyrim, Mass Effect, even Final Fantasy be as popular and as good as single player RPGs without the voice overs?

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  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,660Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by sbanting

    Apart from what I've already said, about strange words, and I mean place names and peoples names etc, not, I can't read English or their turns of phrases, even though, at times, thats a little strange too, but I deal with that from a game thats translated.

     

    My main point that i'd like to say though, is in a book, as everyone keeps referencing, has emotions, has little discriptions of why the person is feeling the way tey do, and portrays thats to the reader. An MMO can't with just text, it would be alright if at least the NPCs were animated to convey emotion, but again they aren't, so the reader of the script has to interpret the whole thing instead. Voice overs are apart of the whole Final Fantasy experience in the single player rpgs, and at the end of the day, thats where the MMO came from. So I don't understand people saying it shouldn't be apart of the MMO experience, would Skyrim, Mass Effect, even Final Fantasy be as popular and as good as single player RPGs without the voice overs?

    Final Fantasy was extremely popular before they started using voiceovers. In fact I think more FF games (both the main series and spin-offs like FF Tactics, etc) have had no voiceovers than have had them in FF games. IIRC they didnt even start using them until FF8, and then just for cutscenes. Even the newer ones (10+) dont use VOs for much outside of cutscenes and battle.

  • GormogonGormogon Waukegan, ILPosts: 188Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kaiser3282
    Originally posted by Gormogon
    Originally posted by kaiser3282
    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of an amazing game and ensure it's success, I mean just look at SWTOR!

     

    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of a terrible game and ensure that it will fail ...

    When's the last time you heard someone praise a game just because it had voice overs?

     

    Where did I say, "Voiceovers alone can make a great game!" or "People praise sucky games just for their voiceovers!"?

     

    All the SWTOR argument says is that voiceovers don't save a bad game.  It says nothing about what voiceovers could do for ARR, and people should stop implying that it does.  That was all I was suggesting.

     

    There are some very good reasons why voiceovers could actually hurt a game, but a "failed" game -- one which failed for way more reasons than it spent too many resources on voiceovers -- is not a reason, merely an example.   Used by itself, it's an intellectually bankrupt argument.

     

    "The last Final Fantasy MMO set in Eorzea with 'XIV' in it's title failed."  And what ... ? 

     

    Originally posted by Mr.Kujo

    It scares me that there are people that say they don't like to read and reading is no fun, so they want someone else to read for them.

    Is it lack of imagination, or the need to have 100% action in a role playing game? Or becoming more widespread analphabetism?

     

    So how many people in this thread have said, "I don't like reading.  Reading is no fun.  I want someone to read to me"? 

     

    Enjoying voiceovers in games doesn't require you to hate reading, think it's no fun, or have no imagination.

     

    If you're going to throw lack of imagination and some uncultured need for more action as characteristics of people who would like more voiceovers, then why the hell are you here?  They make text-based online RPGs where you don't have a team of artists imagining the world and characters for you either.

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gormogon
    Originally posted by kaiser3282
    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of an amazing game and ensure it's success, I mean just look at SWTOR!

     

    Because voiceovers are a sure sign of a terrible game and ensure that it will fail ...

    Well, i happen to like the quests and stories in SWTOR, TSW, SKYRIM, THE WITCHER and some other games, and guess what, they are all voiced over..

     

    Its quite simple, to me voiced over and acting is easilly more immersive then writing in a game.. and i am not really prepared to take a step down, if you can live with texts withouth clicking them away, please enjoy it. I know my preference..

     

    And no, voice overs does not make for a good game, but it adds a lot more to the imersivenes of the stories.  And you are probably using SWTOR as a wrong accemple of a bad game, its actually the 3rd or 4th most played MMO currently in the western world, so there must be a lot of people liking it. 

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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