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  • mindw0rkmindw0rk St-petersburgPosts: 1,351Member
    TSW played in 3D. Nothing even compares. TESO graphics looks... pretty decent, thats it.
  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
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    Originally posted by Graey
    Originally posted by MindTrigger

    You sound like a used car salesmen in a $50 suit.

    The stylized graphics in EQNext allow for the constructable / destructable world, among other things.  I'll take those new features over the same ancient themepark crap from the likes of ESO any day.

    I applaud you man, but you are talking to a brick wall. Not sure what is up with people but this whole EQ thing is being blown out of proportion. The OP is not listening to you, instead like a lot of people they are flaming the game and hyping another game which both are wrong btw since neither are out at the moment. I never see anyone whose views change actually come to this damn forum and type that they were wrong. This site isn't even used for discussion anymore but just gossip, and cantankerous moods over the tiniest of things.

     

    How can you seriously be angry that they chose that graphics style OP, when you see all the other things that are being implemented as well...I mean seriously. If EQ did not change anything and just used say the graphics of Elder scrolls I wonder how many people would be okay with that. I just don't get it any more, its no longer about the wonder and amazement of gaming its just how much you can berate the next game and hype the next one after ad infinum.

     

    Man sometimes I really hate this hobby.

    Let me see if I can make how I feel about graphics/mechanics balance on an unreleased/un-played game a little more clear.

     

    You know already about what the graphics in eather game looks like more or less; love, hate, indifferent easy to assign a value for either game.

    all the great better than sliced bread save the world mechanics are great, however we don't know if they work well in synergy with game/players yet.  Little bit of guesswork on that one. 

    I've heard a lot of dev/pub houses with help from marketing depts talk up a great game about mechanics only to get in game and see little more than epic fail.  Graphics are somewhat harder to mask, much easier to to at least make a basic valuation.

     

    And why someone might go with a better looking game(to them) than one with somewhat better mechanics?  You gotta see  graphics all the time if they bug you enough personally best mechanics in the world won't help.  most mechanics are not in your face from the second you start the client till the moment you log off.  A mechanic that bug you is somewhat easier to ignore.

    I personally never have experienced this. Graphics has always only played a role on if I try the game, not if I stick with it or not. If I am not fond of the graphics I can easily get passed it if the game is good. The issue is, if I am not fond of the graphics, I may never pick up the game in the first place if it doesn't show anything else i'm interested in.

    I never understood why anyone would just judge a game at face value with out considering other factors.

    I'm the exact opposite; ascetics are a make or break for me period.  I Never played more than 2 mo. WoW never touched SWTOR and won't be looking at EQN.   If I want to watch cartoons I'll get up early Saturday.  /shrugs different strokes. (This entire post is pretty much on graphics)

    Well I am one of those artistic folks and I am a game designer as well. I love anime, so my views on cartoons is as such, "it's for adults too." Cartoons have nothing to do with stupid TV shows, it has everything to do with art. It's alright if you are not artistic, but that doesn't mean you have to insult such things and compare to some stupid Saturday cartoons. Really that is just immature. 

    Again, guess you never learned the whole you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, which is pretty sad. That is a saying for a reason.

    /shrugs different strokes = (for the impaired) ascetics are in the eye of the beholder what one person sees as cartoons another sees as art.  Too bad my /shrug went over your head so I typed  it out this time. Better?

    Difference with me and you is, I see art in the things I do not like as well. Again, just because I dislike how something looks, doesn't change the game itself. That isn't what a game is about. I don't see how you can let such a simple thing get in the way of your judgement.

    If you go out and buy a car, would you rather have a beat up looking car that gets you from point a to point b, or would you rather have a car the looks good that will not even get you half way there?

    I always pick things that are more functional because I do not let stupid eye candy get in the way of my judgement. It's how people are easily fooled because they don't pay attention.

    Judge a book by it's cover and you will miss out on a lot of great things and be fooled very easily, just because you let looks be a priority over mechanical function.

    I never once said I would happily drive a pretty(to me) clunker.  I merely stated that, for me, the first hurdle is the graphics.  If something I view as subpar/ugly/ pick an adjective I go somewhere else.  I'll evaluate "mechanics game play once past that faill/pass point.   I never once said I would play a garbage game as long as it looked good (to me) you inferred that. 

     

    For the rest of your post sorry I have an opinion and disagree in how to determine my own enjoyment, get over it.

    lol telling me to get over it, like as if it bothers me. I am just pointing out that you can miss a lot of good games with the way you think. However, you are right, just because you judge a game by it's graphics before it's mechanics doesn't mean you would do that with other things, so I apologize for assuming that.

    However, let me just say this, I used to do the same thing you do. I admit I was stupid for doing that. I realize there is more to games then just the graphics and some of the best games I have ever played didn't exactly have all that great graphics. If that is what you enjoy, then fine, you are the one missing out due to your ideals. Guess either way, you are fine with that as well.

    Really I sometimes have no idea why people do the things they do. I like questioning people, but in the end it only confuses me even more. I always expect people to use logic, but most people don't.

    You keep getting stuck on the statement "great graphics"  I never said that either.  When you get read up on what I actually said.    We can continue the discussion on why I'm such a bad influence on my own illogical enjoyment of games that we have no concrete information about other than dev/pub/market touted and un-played as yet "mechanics" and screenshots which we can actually make a judgment on. lol.

    Well after reading up, you are clearly talking about graphics. I highlighted it all for you above in the quotes. So exactly what is it that I am getting stuck on, or are you saying that you mean something entirely different? If you are talking about looks rather then graphics themselves, it really doesn't change anything. The same applies.

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.  Hell with licensing not even the name is set in stone MEO--->LOTRO

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

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  • jesusjuice69jesusjuice69 Route 69, NDPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by OfficialFlow
    Originally posted by fistorm

    Its 2013, and unbeleivable graphics have came out.  Bethesda and Zenimax have taken hold of these amazing capablities and made us an online game with them.  Elder Scrolls Online.  After seeing what EQ Next will look like, and its gameworld looking like last years Guildwars 2 gameworld in graphics,  there will be no one in the way to make this the most realistic MMORPG of the year, and in fact, all time.   I hope and have no doubt we will see more MMORPG's start to follow this amazing graphic outlook to push these games to look even more real and enjoyable.   Just wanted to say Thankyou ESO!

    ESO Screenshot

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    Eq Next Screenshot

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    ugly piece of Sh*t looks outdated already while Eqn does not, that alone is a reason enough to stay away from games that try to replicate reality. if you turn to games in your search for realism how about you go out of your house for a change?

    YES I DARE SAY THAT MAKING GAMES IS AN ART FORM,

    more like... why do i even bother commenting on these stupid threads?

    its not like my opinion has any effect on these boneheads

     

    o.o ugly? ...

     

    X3 It looks perfectly fine to me. Both games look good. I think the ones who argue which is better are the boneheads. It's a stupid argument.

    I agree, they both look good.

    We aren't event sure if the game will remain entertaining 5 months from release, never mind 5 years.  So why are we even arguing about how well the graphics age?

     

    I will definitely be buying ESO, but I honestly don't think I will be playing it nearly a decade from now like I do with WoW.  That is fine though, not every game needs to be expected to last many years post release.

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip

    to finish that thought the only time "mechanics" become a "permanent feature" of a game is when it goes into maintenance mode and there's only one neck beard who shows up to the game server once every 2 weeks to do routine maintenance.

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  • Brabbit1987Brabbit1987 Ontario, CanadaPosts: 729Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender

     

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

    Ok, I understand what you mean. However, I still don't see how that could be used as an only factor. I know a lot of people who will not watch anime specifically because it's anime, a cartoon and they do not like how it looks. However, I always question what about the stories? However, everyone always acts stubborn and says they will never watch it simply because they don't like how it looks.

    Sorry but that is borderline stupid to me and makes no sense at all. It be different if that was all it was about, but that isn't even remotely the case. You pretty much are ignoring every other factor just because you dislike 1. When you judge something, I try to consider all factors and never stop based on my preference of how something looks, because looks can be very deceiving.

    I can't tell you how many times, I didn't watch an anime because it looked retarded. Then I get recommended to watch it. Eventually I decide to give it a shot, and find out it's actually pretty darn good. After this happened so many times, I learned not to do that anymore. No matter how stupid something looks to me, doesn't mean it is.

    I did that with Minecraft as well. Now I play it all the time lol, and admitted that it's actually a pretty darn good game. Even though I hate the aesthetics of it. But I was easily able to get passed it after giving it some time.

     

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender

     

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

    Ok, I understand what you mean. However, I still don't see how that could be used as an only factor. I know a lot of people who will not watch anime specifically because it's anime, a cartoon and they do not like how it looks. However, I always question what about the stories? However, everyone always acts stubborn and says they will never watch it simply because they don't like how it looks.

    Sorry but that is borderline stupid to me and makes no sense at all. It be different if that was all it was about, but that isn't even remotely the case. You pretty much are ignoring every other factor just because you dislike 1. When U judge something, I try to consider all factors and never stop based on my preference of how something looks, because looks can be very deceiving.

    I can't tell you how many times, I didn't watch an anime because it looked retarded. Then I get recommended to watch it. Eventually I decide to give it a shot, and find out it's actually pretty darn good. After this happened so many times, I learned not to do that anymore. No matter how stupid something looks to me, doesn't mean it is.

    I did that with Minecraft as well. Now I play it all the time lol, and admited that it's actually a pretty darn good game. Even though I hate the asthetics of it. But I was easily able to get passed it after giving it some time.

    I did not say ONLY  I SAID FIRST sigh you honestly think any moron would only have one criteria for an mmo? you have to prioritize the list somehow and the 1st hurdle to sell me your crap game is to get me interested in how it looks.  Then we'll talk about how it feels, then playing.  If you don't agree with my priorities that's cool, you don't buy my games either.

     

    Fine I'm sorry I don't date ugly chicks either(sober) but looks matter to me, sue me.

     

      Me I tried watching Anime( it was the alternative to CNN and/orNBC at the squadron) several different artists, flavors, and story lines.  I ended up watching CNN.  I'm not saying cartoons are BAD,  i'm saying I DISLIKE them ENOUGH that they ARE AN ACTIVE DETRACTOR to the game for me.  Hell I never got into the Simpsons or B&B either(sober)  Next I guess it'll be my fault I prefer the color Cyan over Maroon as well or blue over green.

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,778Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MindTrigger

    The stylized graphics in EQNext allow for the constructable / destructable world, among other things.  I'll take those new features over the same ancient themepark crap from the likes of ESO any day.

    Not me. EQN is wandering way to far from the rpg genre and crossing over.  IMHO computers took board games and transferred them into a more user friendly environment. At it's foundation is role playing. Being able to tear the ground up to move to another level, or discover something is way beyond the realm of what I consider an immersive world. 

    Give me the old EQ and/or the new ESO, over EQN for a true fantasy game any day. If I want spinning warriors tearing up buildings I will simply play my son's Skylanders with him.

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • LeGrosGamerLeGrosGamer Canada, QCPosts: 210Member
    Again with the graphics, yes yes they are amazing.  As long as the game play is nice and the game doesn't take 20 hours to complete, I'll be a happy camper.   If graphics made a MMO, WoW would of been dead 5 years ago. So PLEASE MTV, errr, I mean MMORPG.COM, stop with the graphics!  
  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by Arakazi
    Why is TES still listed on MMORPG.com if it's simply a multi player game?

    Because this site hasn't gotten around to changing their name to MMO.com.

    There is no such thing as an MMORPG any longer. That genre died around 2003-2004.

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by LeGrosGamer
    Again with the graphics, yes yes they are amazing.  As long as the game play is nice and the game doesn't take 20 hours to complete, I'll be a happy camper.   If graphics made a MMO, WoW would of been dead 5 years ago. So PLEASE MTV, errr, I mean MMORPG.COM, stop with the graphics!  

    Are they? or were those CGI's that were supposed to be from game play but are artist generated. The videos I have seen look horrible, so far, but I will hold my judgment until I can see the game up close and personal.

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  • DeathWolf2uDeathWolf2u Maryville, ILPosts: 291Member
    I'm going to play both and the one I have the most fun in will be the one I stick with. That or until I get burned out on one then will go back to the other.  Then there is always the chance I'll be playing a new game that launches then I won't be playing either one.
  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon

    Lol, besides talking about "mechanics" in regards to an mmo is a joke to begin with.  Even the most 1/2 sed simulator(any type) is more "mechanically" mature robust and stable than any of the modern AAA mmo's.   Most people think group finder is a mechanic for **** sake.  Once upon a time mmo's innovated and created entirely new types and ways to play.   Now they just get kicked in the jimmy by the market if they try.   The few who even bother anymore only go 1/2 way and already have the build ready to go to modify/replace the "new innovation" when the inevitable backlash hits.  And there WILL be a backlash, always is now that mmo's try to grab too much market share among customers who have completely differing preferences.  PVE/PVP   SOLO/GROUP    CRAFT/SCREW CRAFTING      LOVE ALTING/HATE ALTING      RAIDERS/SMALL GROUPERS      OCD ORGANIZERS/NERVER CAN FIND ANYTHINGERS       ROLEPLAYERS/GRIEFERS      SELF   RELIANT/NEED A QUEST TRACKER       VOICE ACTING/SHE SOUNDS GAY       GROUP VOICE/SHUTUP       CARTOONISH ART/REALISTIC ART  LIVES WITH MOM/OWNS A SMALL BUISNESS       WANTS A GROUPFINDER/WILL SHOOT THE DEV IF PUTS IN GROUP FINDER     NEEDS MORE REALISIM/NEEDS LESS REALISM   TRUE ECONOMIC FREEDOM/I"M BEING OPPRESSED

     

     

    there is no way in hell as the target audience for mmo's expands that "mechanics" will ever be more than a rubber stamp ready to be replaced.  simply put if it's simple enough and neutral enough to make it through the ringer of the disparate target audience iit will also be boring.

     

    When someone picks a demographic and sticks with it call me

    I think the last mmo that was unafraid to be niche was EVE?  Too bad I'm not their demographic  But kudos to CCP for having a pair.  Along with being the only mmo that still has an upward population trend.

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  • Brabbit1987Brabbit1987 Ontario, CanadaPosts: 729Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender

     

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

    Ok, I understand what you mean. However, I still don't see how that could be used as an only factor. I know a lot of people who will not watch anime specifically because it's anime, a cartoon and they do not like how it looks. However, I always question what about the stories? However, everyone always acts stubborn and says they will never watch it simply because they don't like how it looks.

    Sorry but that is borderline stupid to me and makes no sense at all. It be different if that was all it was about, but that isn't even remotely the case. You pretty much are ignoring every other factor just because you dislike 1. When U judge something, I try to consider all factors and never stop based on my preference of how something looks, because looks can be very deceiving.

    I can't tell you how many times, I didn't watch an anime because it looked retarded. Then I get recommended to watch it. Eventually I decide to give it a shot, and find out it's actually pretty darn good. After this happened so many times, I learned not to do that anymore. No matter how stupid something looks to me, doesn't mean it is.

    I did that with Minecraft as well. Now I play it all the time lol, and admited that it's actually a pretty darn good game. Even though I hate the asthetics of it. But I was easily able to get passed it after giving it some time.

    I did not say ONLY  I SAID FIRST sigh you honestly think any moron would only have one criteria for an mmo? you have to prioritize the list somehow and the 1st hurdle to sell me your crap game is to get me interested in how it looks.  Then we'll talk about how it feels, then playing.  If you don't agree with my priorities that's cool, you don't buy my games either.

     

    Fine I'm sorry I don't date ugly chicks either(sober) but looks matter to me, sue me.

     

      Me I tried watching Anime( it was the alternative to CNN and/orNBC at the squadron) several different artists, flavors, and story lines.  I ended up watching CNN.  I'm not saying cartoons are BAD,  i'm saying I DISLIKE them ENOUGH that they ARE AN ACTIVE DETRACTOR to the game for me.  Hell I never got into the Simpsons or B&B either(sober)  Next I guess it'll be my fault I prefer the color Cyan over Maroon as well or blue over green.

    Yes it's all your fault >.>, how dare you like Cyan over Maroon! lol, I am kidding of course.

    But yep, I get what you mean now I suppose. When you put it that way, I think just about everyones first hurdle is looks since that is the first thing anyone ever tends to be able to judge before release. See I thought you where saying if the looks are not up to par, you don't even bother looking at anything else after that.

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender

     

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

    Ok, I understand what you mean. However, I still don't see how that could be used as an only factor. I know a lot of people who will not watch anime specifically because it's anime, a cartoon and they do not like how it looks. However, I always question what about the stories? However, everyone always acts stubborn and says they will never watch it simply because they don't like how it looks.

    Sorry but that is borderline stupid to me and makes no sense at all. It be different if that was all it was about, but that isn't even remotely the case. You pretty much are ignoring every other factor just because you dislike 1. When U judge something, I try to consider all factors and never stop based on my preference of how something looks, because looks can be very deceiving.

    I can't tell you how many times, I didn't watch an anime because it looked retarded. Then I get recommended to watch it. Eventually I decide to give it a shot, and find out it's actually pretty darn good. After this happened so many times, I learned not to do that anymore. No matter how stupid something looks to me, doesn't mean it is.

    I did that with Minecraft as well. Now I play it all the time lol, and admited that it's actually a pretty darn good game. Even though I hate the asthetics of it. But I was easily able to get passed it after giving it some time.

    I did not say ONLY  I SAID FIRST sigh you honestly think any moron would only have one criteria for an mmo? you have to prioritize the list somehow and the 1st hurdle to sell me your crap game is to get me interested in how it looks.  Then we'll talk about how it feels, then playing.  If you don't agree with my priorities that's cool, you don't buy my games either.

     

    Fine I'm sorry I don't date ugly chicks either(sober) but looks matter to me, sue me.

     

      Me I tried watching Anime( it was the alternative to CNN and/orNBC at the squadron) several different artists, flavors, and story lines.  I ended up watching CNN.  I'm not saying cartoons are BAD,  i'm saying I DISLIKE them ENOUGH that they ARE AN ACTIVE DETRACTOR to the game for me.  Hell I never got into the Simpsons or B&B either(sober)  Next I guess it'll be my fault I prefer the color Cyan over Maroon as well or blue over green.

    Yes it's all your fault >.>, how dare you like Cyan over Maroon! lol, I am kidding of course.

    But yep, I get what you mean now I suppose. When you put it that way, I think just about everyones first hurdle is looks since that is the first thing anyone ever tends to be able to judge before release. See I thought you where saying if the looks are not up to par, you don't even bother looking at anything else after that.

    Depends how bad she looks and how much I've had or do you mean the game?

     

    Seriously though these days no that's about it.  If I feel it looks like crap I probably won't give it a second look.  Welcome to a flooded market where every 2 bit developer and publisher ;  reviewer and gaming rag has overhyped their smelly crap to the point that the only objective criteria is how it looks.   Any POS dev/pub/market dept can tell me we're making the most involved and innovative mechanics since the On?oFF button.  That and a dollar might get me a cup of coffee.  The market is so flooded with crap it's simply not worth my time to dig through it to find something that MIGHT be passable.  If you couldn't grab me the first time sorry and thanks for playing.

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  • kilunkilun Apopka, FLPosts: 709Member Common

    Game looks good, but doesn't entice everyone.  On the other hand EQN features looking amazing, but the games art style looks like total shit.  The character models look horrendous at best.  Hopefully it looks better that it has been showcases thus far, because it is just plain bad looking.

    Part of the reason is because EQ has always been more of a realistic looking game.  So to introduce this style just does not sit well.

    www.ozumgames.com

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kilun

    Game looks good, but doesn't entice everyone.  On the other hand EQN features looking amazing, but the games art style looks like total shit.  The character models look horrendous at best.  Hopefully it looks better that it has been showcases thus far, because it is just plain bad looking.

    Part of the reason is because EQ has always been more of a realistic looking game.  So to introduce this style just does not sit well.

    yea this is why I spend most of my time in simulators and quality offline games these days.  I think the last mmo I actually got excited about was LOTRO due to the license?  The last one I actually followed the development on?  Don't even remember.  The whole genre makes me want to yawn.

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  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by BMBender
    The whole genre makes me want to yawn.

    +1

  • Brabbit1987Brabbit1987 Ontario, CanadaPosts: 729Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender

     

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

    Ok, I understand what you mean. However, I still don't see how that could be used as an only factor. I know a lot of people who will not watch anime specifically because it's anime, a cartoon and they do not like how it looks. However, I always question what about the stories? However, everyone always acts stubborn and says they will never watch it simply because they don't like how it looks.

    Sorry but that is borderline stupid to me and makes no sense at all. It be different if that was all it was about, but that isn't even remotely the case. You pretty much are ignoring every other factor just because you dislike 1. When U judge something, I try to consider all factors and never stop based on my preference of how something looks, because looks can be very deceiving.

    I can't tell you how many times, I didn't watch an anime because it looked retarded. Then I get recommended to watch it. Eventually I decide to give it a shot, and find out it's actually pretty darn good. After this happened so many times, I learned not to do that anymore. No matter how stupid something looks to me, doesn't mean it is.

    I did that with Minecraft as well. Now I play it all the time lol, and admited that it's actually a pretty darn good game. Even though I hate the asthetics of it. But I was easily able to get passed it after giving it some time.

    I did not say ONLY  I SAID FIRST sigh you honestly think any moron would only have one criteria for an mmo? you have to prioritize the list somehow and the 1st hurdle to sell me your crap game is to get me interested in how it looks.  Then we'll talk about how it feels, then playing.  If you don't agree with my priorities that's cool, you don't buy my games either.

     

    Fine I'm sorry I don't date ugly chicks either(sober) but looks matter to me, sue me.

     

      Me I tried watching Anime( it was the alternative to CNN and/orNBC at the squadron) several different artists, flavors, and story lines.  I ended up watching CNN.  I'm not saying cartoons are BAD,  i'm saying I DISLIKE them ENOUGH that they ARE AN ACTIVE DETRACTOR to the game for me.  Hell I never got into the Simpsons or B&B either(sober)  Next I guess it'll be my fault I prefer the color Cyan over Maroon as well or blue over green.

    Yes it's all your fault >.>, how dare you like Cyan over Maroon! lol, I am kidding of course.

    But yep, I get what you mean now I suppose. When you put it that way, I think just about everyones first hurdle is looks since that is the first thing anyone ever tends to be able to judge before release. See I thought you where saying if the looks are not up to par, you don't even bother looking at anything else after that.

    Depends how bad she looks and how much I've had or do you mean the game?

     

    Seriously though these days no that's about it.  If I feel it looks like crap I probably won't give it a second look.  Welcome to a flooded market where every 2 bit developer and publisher ;  reviewer and gaming rag has overhyped their smelly crap to the point that the only objective criteria is how it looks.   Any POS dev/pub/market dept can tell me we're making the most involved and innovative mechanics since the On?oFF button.  That and a dollar might get me a cup of coffee.  The market is so flooded with crap it's simply not worth my time to dig through it to find something that MIGHT be passable.  If you couldn't grab me the first time sorry and thanks for playing.

    lol not talking about girls XD, talking about the games.

    I understand what you mean, I don't mind searching . As I said, you sometimes find a gem.

    Here is the thing I do not understand though. EQN graphics are not THAT bad. Sure I can understand one may not like how it looks, but I don't understand how you could just look passed everything else.

    The ideas they brought to the table are really interesting, and I really do not get why it doesn't at least peak your interest. The only real question is if they can actually pull off everything they said. I am a bit of a skeptic in that area, but I certainly do not discount everything about a game simply because the looks or graphics are crap in my eyes.

    The reason I say this is because, while you talked about how you are stuck with the looks of the game, I do have to point out that the mechanics are the most important part either way. The graphics or looks isn't what makes the game fun to play. Really the graphics and looks of a game should be on the back burner when it comes to actually judging a game. It's so unimportant really when it comes to the purpose of what a video game is.

    The looks and graphics are the easiest to judge, I realize that, but it's really a very poor way to do it because you can very easily skip over a great game that way. This could also easily give you a false sense of the current quality of video games.

    I will always fall back on the example of Minecraft. Not the best when it comes to looks, but the gameplay is great. Though I have a feeling you never played it. Either that, or maybe not interested in the gameplay itself.

    If you do like minecraft, then that really confuses me even more since it wouldn't follow your standards. Though I suppose it could be a case by case thing.

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by Brabbit1987
    Originally posted by BMBender

     

    Actually I was talking about the ascetics graphics present: pleasing, indifferent, displeasing, actively loathe if you actually read em.  And no it doesn't change anything there actually IS a pretty big difference.   You can have a graphically well done "cartoon" or' "realistic model" that can still be pleasing or actively revolting while in it self remaining well designed.

     

    hmm let me try this as an example:

    Have you or do you know anyone who spent hours/days in a character creator/editor, tailor, or spent 1/2 a day just dyeing crap?  All those mechanics are SPECIFICLLY designed to appeal to certain types of personalities. 

     

    Another pretty much the ENTIRE simulation genre revolves around people who want both ascetically pleasing(in the case of simulations accurate (usually{but not always} = pleasing) and mechanically sound content.

     

    I realize that the mmo genre as a whole has entered a period of mediocrity either in ascetics; everyone does big shoulders, bright colors, physically improbable proportions these days, one game often looks like another; or mechanically tepid; oh you wanted an endgame? sorry we don't have the voice overs for it.  But that does not mean I have to settle, there are more than enough games out there who want my $ by offering both.  If that means I never buy/play another subpar mmo? /shrugs can't say I'm really concerned.  It's not like there aren't already a dozen or more already out  there just like it, no matter how "new and unique it is"

     

    If it sounds like I set the bar higher for mmos it's because I do.  They ask for a higher price point, that's my criteria for what they are asking.

    If nothing else my habits certainly guarded me well from investing anything in the TORtanic, Failhammer, ect those games were never on my radar.

     

    EDIT:  Ack and completely forget my last point

    the reason my 1st pas/fail point on a prospective game is how I find it ascetically:  That's the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT  WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNCHANGED love/hate or indifferent it aint going away.

     

    Mechanics on the other hand are a dime a dozen at launch, give it 6mo. 5-10% of em will be in "revision"  1 yr 1/2 the game functions differently to one degree or anther.  5yr?  I don't think there is a single mmo ever that has even one single mechanic. that stayed completely untouched.

    Ok, I understand what you mean. However, I still don't see how that could be used as an only factor. I know a lot of people who will not watch anime specifically because it's anime, a cartoon and they do not like how it looks. However, I always question what about the stories? However, everyone always acts stubborn and says they will never watch it simply because they don't like how it looks.

    Sorry but that is borderline stupid to me and makes no sense at all. It be different if that was all it was about, but that isn't even remotely the case. You pretty much are ignoring every other factor just because you dislike 1. When U judge something, I try to consider all factors and never stop based on my preference of how something looks, because looks can be very deceiving.

    I can't tell you how many times, I didn't watch an anime because it looked retarded. Then I get recommended to watch it. Eventually I decide to give it a shot, and find out it's actually pretty darn good. After this happened so many times, I learned not to do that anymore. No matter how stupid something looks to me, doesn't mean it is.

    I did that with Minecraft as well. Now I play it all the time lol, and admited that it's actually a pretty darn good game. Even though I hate the asthetics of it. But I was easily able to get passed it after giving it some time.

    I did not say ONLY  I SAID FIRST sigh you honestly think any moron would only have one criteria for an mmo? you have to prioritize the list somehow and the 1st hurdle to sell me your crap game is to get me interested in how it looks.  Then we'll talk about how it feels, then playing.  If you don't agree with my priorities that's cool, you don't buy my games either.

     

    Fine I'm sorry I don't date ugly chicks either(sober) but looks matter to me, sue me.

     

      Me I tried watching Anime( it was the alternative to CNN and/orNBC at the squadron) several different artists, flavors, and story lines.  I ended up watching CNN.  I'm not saying cartoons are BAD,  i'm saying I DISLIKE them ENOUGH that they ARE AN ACTIVE DETRACTOR to the game for me.  Hell I never got into the Simpsons or B&B either(sober)  Next I guess it'll be my fault I prefer the color Cyan over Maroon as well or blue over green.

    Yes it's all your fault >.>, how dare you like Cyan over Maroon! lol, I am kidding of course.

    But yep, I get what you mean now I suppose. When you put it that way, I think just about everyones first hurdle is looks since that is the first thing anyone ever tends to be able to judge before release. See I thought you where saying if the looks are not up to par, you don't even bother looking at anything else after that.

    Depends how bad she looks and how much I've had or do you mean the game?

     

    Seriously though these days no that's about it.  If I feel it looks like crap I probably won't give it a second look.  Welcome to a flooded market where every 2 bit developer and publisher ;  reviewer and gaming rag has overhyped their smelly crap to the point that the only objective criteria is how it looks.   Any POS dev/pub/market dept can tell me we're making the most involved and innovative mechanics since the On?oFF button.  That and a dollar might get me a cup of coffee.  The market is so flooded with crap it's simply not worth my time to dig through it to find something that MIGHT be passable.  If you couldn't grab me the first time sorry and thanks for playing.

    lol not talking about girls XD, talking about the games.

    I understand what you mean, I don't mind searching . As I said, you sometimes find a gem.

    Here is the thing I do not understand though. EQN graphics are not THAT bad. Sure I can understand one may not like how it looks, but I don't understand how you could just look passed everything else.

    The ideas they brought to the table are really interesting, and I really do not get why it doesn't at least peak your interest. The only real question is if they can actually pull off everything they said. I am a bit of a skeptic in that area, but I certainly do not discount everything about a game simply because the looks or graphics are crap in my eyes.

    The reason I say this is because, while you talked about how you are stuck with the looks of the game, I do have to point out that the mechanics are the most important part either way. The graphics or looks isn't what makes the game fun to play. Really the graphics and looks of a game should be on the back burner when it comes to actually judging a game. It's so unimportant really when it comes to the purpose of what a video game is.

    The looks and graphics are the easiest to judge, I realize that, but it's really a very poor way to do it because you can very easily skip over a great game that way. This could also easily give you a false sense of the current quality of video games.

    I will always fall back on the example of Minecraft. Not the best when it comes to looks, but the gameplay is great. Though I have a feeling you never played it. Either that, or maybe not interested in the gameplay itself.

    If you do like minecraft, then that really confuses me even more since it wouldn't follow your standards. Though I suppose it could be a case by case thing.

    yea but you also downplay the fact that ALL mechanics are subject to change, usually quite often.  As time goes on the game begins to play significantly different than at launch.  By the 5th year you could call it another name entirely and no one would raise an eyebrow except a few "LORE PUREISTS".  The larger the target audience the quicker whatever mechanic has everyone so hot and bothered will change.                          It                       happens                               every                           single                       game.    It's so regular you could set your watch by it.

     

     

    Gameply.  I prefer realistic sims (too bad EVE doesn't req a joystick)                     mmo developers gave  up on targeting demographics years ago, there is no more niche.   And as long as they keep chasing EVERYBODY down and trying to cater

    COMPLETELY DISSIMILAR market makeup  at  the  same time.  They will please NOBODY ALL THE TIME and NONE         ALL THE TIME.         And they are all doing this while the entire market shrinks as more people throw their 2 bit game into an increasingly marginal market.

     

     

    How a game looks (and by that I mean the ascetic ambience) is the only thing that holds the storyline, objectives desired of "mechanics", conceptual theme, and common reference point together long enough to actually survive healthily the transfer from creation dev team to live team...2nd team.....3rd team(most mmos are footnotes by this point)  ect ect.  It is the only constant.   Even developers intent changes.

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  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip
    yada yada yada words words
     
     
    Some of the people some of the time nobody all the time
     
     
     
    I was tired

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  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip
    yada yada yada words words
     
     
    Some of the people some of the time nobody all the time
     
     
     
    I was tired

    Did you put together this masterpiece of thought and word all by yourself or did you have help?

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip
    yada yada yada words words
     
     
    Some of the people some of the time nobody all the time
     
     
     
    I was tired

    Did you put together this masterpiece of thought and word all by yourself or did you have help?

    JD & Coke

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  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip
    yada yada yada words words
     
     
    Some of the people some of the time nobody all the time
     
     
     
    I was tired

    Did you put together this masterpiece of thought and word all by yourself or did you have help?

    JD & Coke

    I totally believe you. :-)

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip
    yada yada yada words words
     
     
    Some of the people some of the time nobody all the time
     
     
     
    I was tired

    Did you put together this masterpiece of thought and word all by yourself or did you have help?

    JD & Coke

    I totally believe you. :-)

    Well it was better than the Nobody all the time None of the time.  I gave myself a headache with that one.  Then the whole editing debacle I think most of the words are more or less where they were.  So I just /sniped the correction into a new post.....I do beilive it's last call.

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  • usuckmmorpgcomusuckmmorpgcom c, KYPosts: 1,348Member
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    Originally posted by BMBender
    me /snip
    yada yada yada words words
     
     
    Some of the people some of the time nobody all the time
     
     
     
    I was tired

    Did you put together this masterpiece of thought and word all by yourself or did you have help?

    JD & Coke

    I totally believe you. :-)

    Well it was better than the Nobody all the time None of the time.  I gave myself a headache with that one.  Then the whole editing debacle I think most of the words are more or less where they were.  So I just /sniped the correction into a new post.....I do beilive it's last call.

    +1 :-)

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