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  • MenevenenMenevenen Boston, MAPosts: 20Member
    Good ol' Science Daily.
  • killahhkillahh calgary, ABPosts: 437Member

    Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  • ckeeton999ckeeton999 valley center, CAPosts: 53Member
    Stop whining about the graphics. My god do you really want a game that looks great but runs like crap on your machine?! Use your head!
  • vmopedvmoped Athens, GAPosts: 1,708Member

    So funny how everyone forgets how well top of the line graphics worked out for EQ2 at launch.  Everything looked nice during the slideshow...

    Cheers!

    MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,551Member Uncommon
    I have a i5 3.4ghz 660 GTX 8 gig ram and still cant play EQ2 without a massive FPS drop on max settings.
  • Big.Daddy.SamediBig.Daddy.Samedi Edmonton, ABPosts: 148Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tkreep
    I have a i5 3.4ghz 660 GTX 8 gig ram and still cant play EQ2 without a massive FPS drop on max settings.

     The reason for this is that at EQ2's launch they went with the idea that processors would get faster. Instead hardware went in a different manner.. they went multicore. EQ2's engine was built to futureproof on single cores, hence the issue.

  • AntariousAntarious Greenville, SCPosts: 2,802Member
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Originally posted by tkreep
    I have a i5 3.4ghz 660 GTX 8 gig ram and still cant play EQ2 without a massive FPS drop on max settings.

     The reason for this is that at EQ2's launch they went with the idea that processors would get faster. Instead hardware went in a different manner.. they went multicore. EQ2's engine was built to futureproof on single cores, hence the issue.

     

    EQ2's main performance issue is that the CPU was doing most of the work that a GPU should be doing.   There are quite a few articles where they discussed redoing the engine but as far as I know it was never done/completed.

    Moderator's on this site allow certain posters to create endless troll threads. Yet "warn" people for giving recommendations... account *pending* deletion because.. why bother.

  • gylnnegylnne South Hutchinson, KSPosts: 320Member
    Originally posted by ckeeton999
    Stop whining about the graphics. My god do you really want a game that looks great but runs like crap on your machine?! Use your head!

    No I prefer a game that runs great on my  computer but makes me giggle like a 12 year old every time I look at my toon.

  • SengiSengi HamburgPosts: 350Member
     
    Yes that is true. But stylized graphics can have all kinds of different styles. There was no need to use that distinctive Disney-style.  
    And I'm sure its possible to do stylized graphics without giant shoulder pauldrons.
     
  • TelondarielTelondariel Ottawa, ONPosts: 1,001Member
    Originally posted by Sengi
     
    Yes that is true. But stylized graphics can have all kinds of different styles. There was no need to use that distinctive Disney-style.  
    And I'm sure its possible to do stylized graphics without giant shoulder pauldrons.
     

    Dave said, based on feedback, that they are going to reduce them.

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  • rommellorommello calgary, ABPosts: 185Member
    Originally posted by Antarious

    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Originally posted by tkreep
    I have a i5 3.4ghz 660 GTX 8 gig ram and still cant play EQ2 without a massive FPS drop on max settings.

    The reason for this is that at EQ2's launch they went with the idea that processors would get faster. Instead hardware went in a different manner.. they went multicore. EQ2's engine was built to futureproof on single cores, hence the issue.

    EQ2's main performance issue is that the CPU was doing most of the work that a GPU should be doing. There are quite a few articles where they discussed redoing the engine but as far as I know it was never done/completed.

    guess they r screwed then coz thats a majority of the playerbase lost right there

    hallo ~_~

  • jerlot65jerlot65 Lake Mary, FLPosts: 788Member
    Originally posted by Sengi
     
    Yes that is true. But stylized graphics can have all kinds of different styles. There was no need to use that distinctive Disney-style.  
    And I'm sure its possible to do stylized graphics without giant shoulder pauldrons.
     

    Yes but there are two things that are hard to distinguish in video gameplay when dealing with RPG's.  1st is emotions.  The Disney style (which really isnt just related to Disney animations) lends itself to easily distinguish emotions. 

    2nd is equipment and distinguishing between different types of armor and overall looks of classes.  Pronounced armor, especially in the shoulders and head help in distinguishing different classes and armor.  Think of a city skyline.  If all cities had 10 story buildings it would not matter how much different the building styles looked for each city.  The skyline from a distance would look a like so you could not tell one city from the next from a distance.  However, since big cities have huge and pronounced buildings, looking from far away you can easily tell say New York apart from Chicago.

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  • kyssarikyssari Tipton, IAPosts: 142Member
    Originally posted by Telondariel
    Originally posted by Sengi
     
    Yes that is true. But stylized graphics can have all kinds of different styles. There was no need to use that distinctive Disney-style.  
    And I'm sure its possible to do stylized graphics without giant shoulder pauldrons.
     

    Dave said, based on feedback, that they are going to reduce them.

    Not to mention they have said that all gear is extremely customizable so if you dont like a larger look some others may like you can simply change it.

  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon
    Even with the stylized look, the graphics aren't bad.  It'll grow on you.  If it doesn't, wait until the next realistic-graphic failure.

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  • SengiSengi HamburgPosts: 350Member
    Originally posted by jerlot65
    Originally posted by Sengi
     
    Yes that is true. But stylized graphics can have all kinds of different styles. There was no need to use that distinctive Disney-style.  
    And I'm sure its possible to do stylized graphics without giant shoulder pauldrons.
     

    Yes but there are two things that are hard to distinguish in video gameplay when dealing with RPG's.  1st is emotions.  The Disney style (which really isnt just related to Disney animations) lends itself to easily distinguish emotions. 

    2nd is equipment and distinguishing between different types of armor and overall looks of classes.  Pronounced armor, especially in the shoulders and head help in distinguishing different classes and armor.  Think of a city skyline.  If all cities had 10 story buildings it would not matter how much different the building styles looked for each city.  The skyline from a distance would look a like so you could not tell one city from the next from a distance.  However, since big cities have huge and pronounced buildings, looking from far away you can easily tell say New York apart from Chicago.

     
    Yes, emotions are key in video games. I can see what their idea was, but they did not really think it trough. I think this kind of style induces a completely wrong set of emotions and associations. MMOs are about fighting and feeling badass, not about bipolar mood shifts, jolly songs and schmaltzy love stories. 
    They tried to make the Kerra look badass but to me he looks rather comical, with his big nose.  
    And the shoulder pauldron are very much related to WoW. Im sure they didn't want to go for that. 
     
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,590Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Antarious
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Originally posted by tkreep
    I have a i5 3.4ghz 660 GTX 8 gig ram and still cant play EQ2 without a massive FPS drop on max settings.

     The reason for this is that at EQ2's launch they went with the idea that processors would get faster. Instead hardware went in a different manner.. they went multicore. EQ2's engine was built to futureproof on single cores, hence the issue.

     

    EQ2's main performance issue is that the CPU was doing most of the work that a GPU should be doing.   There are quite a few articles where they discussed redoing the engine but as far as I know it was never done/completed.

    Anarchy Online is the exact same way. The old DirectX versions can't interact with the GPU.

    At least that's how I understood it. Not that AO is intensive, but it got troublesome multiboxing.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,551Member Uncommon

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    Facial Expression in photo-realistic graphics lol

  • AeliousAelious Portland, ORPosts: 2,854Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tkreep

    Facial Expression in photo-realistic graphics lol

     

    What has been seen, cannot be unseen.  Dear Lord that was scary.

     

    As far as the "Disney" look I bet they are adding in more realistic textures as we speak.  Even a slider to add more definition would work I think, take the sheen off for those that don't want to see it.  They did it with SOGA in EQ2 and I'm sure they will add some way to "un-toon" characters to some extent in EQN.

     

    There was that more realistic head model being worked on during the black box video.

  • StilerStiler Athens, TNPosts: 599Member
    Originally posted by tkreep

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    Facial Expression in photo-realistic graphics lol

     

    Cause cherry picking an image during a cutscene makes sense....

     

    HAve you ever snapped a photo or stopped a video when someone was talking? People's faces look very weird out of context.

     

    Now watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL9wsEFohTw

  • jerlot65jerlot65 Lake Mary, FLPosts: 788Member
    Originally posted by Sengi
    Originally posted by jerlot65
    Originally posted by Sengi
     
    Yes that is true. But stylized graphics can have all kinds of different styles. There was no need to use that distinctive Disney-style.  
    And I'm sure its possible to do stylized graphics without giant shoulder pauldrons.
     

    Yes but there are two things that are hard to distinguish in video gameplay when dealing with RPG's.  1st is emotions.  The Disney style (which really isnt just related to Disney animations) lends itself to easily distinguish emotions. 

    2nd is equipment and distinguishing between different types of armor and overall looks of classes.  Pronounced armor, especially in the shoulders and head help in distinguishing different classes and armor.  Think of a city skyline.  If all cities had 10 story buildings it would not matter how much different the building styles looked for each city.  The skyline from a distance would look a like so you could not tell one city from the next from a distance.  However, since big cities have huge and pronounced buildings, looking from far away you can easily tell say New York apart from Chicago.

     
    Yes, emotions are key in video games. I can see what their idea was, but they did not really think it trough. I think this kind of style induces a completely wrong set of emotions and associations. MMOs are about fighting and feeling badass, not about bipolar mood shifts, jolly songs and schmaltzy love stories. 
    They tried to make the Kerra look badass but to me he looks rather comical, with his big nose.  
    And the shoulder pauldron are very much related to WoW. Im sure they didn't want to go for that. 
     

    Even with the more simpler character customizations available in MMO's these days, I'm sure you can make the Kerra look totally different hen the one demoed and more to your liking.  The pauldron thing is not just related to wow.  There have been numerous quotes from other game makers about how class distinct and a defined skyline of classes are important in that distinction and also how head and shoulder pieces play an important role in that.  Making those piece more pronuonced is NOT just a WoW thing.

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  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,551Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Stiler
    Originally posted by tkreep

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    Facial Expression in photo-realistic graphics lol

     

    Cause cherry picking an image during a cutscene makes sense....

     

    HAve you ever snapped a photo or stopped a video when someone was talking? People's faces look very weird out of context.

     

    Now watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL9wsEFohTw

    It was just a joke, I love Mass Effect

  • onlinenow25onlinenow25 San Diego, CAPosts: 275Member
    Originally posted by Stiler 

    Cause cherry picking an image during a cutscene makes sense....

     

    HAve you ever snapped a photo or stopped a video when someone was talking? People's faces look very weird out of context.

     

    Now watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL9wsEFohTw

    So your going to compare a MMO to a single player game?

     

    Explain how that makes sense?  So you want this game to be a themepark instead of a sandbox?  You want every action and event to be scripted? Also the characters still looked super creepy.  They had natural movement but their was something missing from them that kinda creeped me out.  Maybe its that last 1% that was described in an article linked here.

     

  • StilerStiler Athens, TNPosts: 599Member
    Originally posted by onlinenow25
    Originally posted by Stiler 

    Cause cherry picking an image during a cutscene makes sense....

     

    HAve you ever snapped a photo or stopped a video when someone was talking? People's faces look very weird out of context.

     

    Now watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL9wsEFohTw

    So your going to compare a MMO to a single player game?

     

    Explain how that makes sense?  So you want this game to be a themepark instead of a sandbox?  You want every action and event to be scripted? Also the characters still looked super creepy.  They had natural movement but their was something missing from them that kinda creeped me out.  Maybe its that last 1% that was described in an article linked here.

     

    How the hell did you get that I wanted a themepark or some linear game from my post???

     

    I was just pointing out  how good a GOOD facial expression system can look with a more "realistic" graphic style, nothing more nothing less.

     

    My post had ZERO to do about single player games, non-mmo's, or any other rubbish you seem to want to put itno my mouth.

  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon

    There is a diffrence between cartoony and Disney cartoony.
    WoW and GW2 use the more "mature" cartoon style even Wildstar uses a more "mature" cartoon style.

    They are once again making a big mistake with their style.
    You can like it no doubt, but many are not liking it and it would have been better to pick a littlebit more mature style to show their hero's.

  • TibbzTibbz Houston, TXPosts: 619Member
    Originally posted by Antarious
    Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
    Originally posted by tkreep
    I have a i5 3.4ghz 660 GTX 8 gig ram and still cant play EQ2 without a massive FPS drop on max settings.

     The reason for this is that at EQ2's launch they went with the idea that processors would get faster. Instead hardware went in a different manner.. they went multicore. EQ2's engine was built to futureproof on single cores, hence the issue.

     

    EQ2's main performance issue is that the CPU was doing most of the work that a GPU should be doing.   There are quite a few articles where they discussed redoing the engine but as far as I know it was never done/completed.

    yup my wife's AMD FX4130 machine with a 660 will run circles around my 3770k with 7870 machine in EQ2 (all at stock clocks) 

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