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Originally posted by Shadanwolf Originally posted by MindTrigger I wish this game all the luck in the world. It looks great, but those looks usually come at a cost to make up for the fact that most gamers don't have rigs that will render the game like you see in official screenshots. For example, these types of games are often walled-off, on-rails, instanced zone experiences just like AoC is. I hope I'm wrong, but so far no one has been able to publish a game with this type of detail without having to cut corners elsewhere to cover the whole range of computer hardware out there.
What we need to do is stop selling high end machines...or perhaps tax high end machine users and give the money to low end users to buy better machines....or just ban high end machines. Problem solved.
A very good gaming PC can be had for like 1k.
People who buy shit from dell that is the problem! Ban Dell!
Originally posted by fistorm I'll agree, that eq next has revolutionary game mechanics that we never seen before, but as far as graphics go, they will not be as good as ESO's this time around. I guess people will have to choose what they like most in these games. Game mechanics or real looking graphics. It will be nice to see someday if game mechanics of eq next could be added to a game as stunningly beautiful as ESO
Wrong I have seen every single one of EQN game mechanics before, what are they doing that is completely new to gaming?
I will be playing both EQN and TESO, (imagine that, playing more than one computer game!!!!!!!!!!!!).
For what it's worth though, MMO's with amazing graphics haven't fared too well in the past. You might be surprised at how many people are still playing WoW with an integrated graphics card. Making your game so that even a toaster can play it on at least low settings certainly helps expand your potential player base.
Originally posted by ZeroPointNRG I will be playing both EQN and TESO, (imagine that, playing more than one computer game!!!!!!!!!!!!). For what it's worth though, MMO's with amazing graphics haven't fared too well in the past. You might be surprised at how many people are still playing WoW with an integrated graphics card. Making your game so that even a toaster can play it on at least low settings certainly helps expand your potential player base.
Think it has more to do with how old WoW is. The same can apply for all games after many years. If you make a game like Crysis, eventually it will become so old, that a "toaster" can play it, as you put it. $2,000 computers will eventually be seen as those toasters after 5 - 10 years.
I think what I am trying to say is WoW is a pretty bad example of your point since it's such an old game in comparison. The graphics are expected to be a lot worse, not because it was purposefully made to work on low end machines, but because it's simply old.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIVFavorite MMO: FFXI
Originally posted by toddze When do you guys ever learn? Sure graphics bring a nice wow (no not the game WoW) factor, but graphics do nothing for player retention. I dont care if the game looked just like the movie Avatar you wont stay playing it if the game play and content is lacking. Hi res graphics limit game play. In hi res games things are pre rendered and you are limited on what you can do and where you can go. Sure I like a little eye candy, but in an MMO get that fancy garbage out. An MMO is suposed to deliever a different type of experience than a single player game. I will gladly take the graphics of EQN over ESO, as long as the gameplay and content is there. I wont go all fanboy and praise EQN, I need to get my hands on it to experience what its all about, but based on everything I know about ESO, I have played that game before and before and before. I want something thats not the same thing with new skin and new tweaks.
Well, it's nice if you want something new, but eventually old mechanics have to be recycled. I also wouldn't exactly call it something that you played before just because it has SOME similar mechanics. Let's take FPS games as an example. No matter how far you stray from mechanics, you still have to go back to guns, because that is what it's all about.
The only way, you are going to get something vastly different is if you switch to another genre. ESO, has similar mechanics to other games, such as all the Elder Scrolls games. However, that is the point. To have expected anything else would be stupid.
I enjoy Skyrim, so why wouldn't I enjoy ESO?
I think it's great EQN is trying something different, and I am most certainly excited to try it out, as I am for most games. However, even EQN is recycling ideas based on other games and trying to bring it into this genre.
It's pretty simple, if your bored of playing MMORPGs, then stop playing them. Come back to it later. It's what I do. However, I have to admit, ESO has all the features I really been looking for in a single MMO game. So I am pretty excited by it.
As for fancy graphics, ESO has decent graphics. EQN has decent graphics, they are 2 entirely different art styles though. As for hi res graphics limiting gameplay? Uhh .. not directly, that is more based on hardware capabilities rather.
Here is how I see it, graphics primarily come into play when you first look at a game; if they are bad enough that you avoid playing it altogether the damage is done. But in most cases if you have any interest beyond the graphics and you start to play, the graphics themselves aren't as much of an issue and you get used to them. i.e. firefall, horrible cartoony graphics by my standards but I am "used" to them after playing a month or so. Would I have paid for it? Probably not.
On the other end if a game is visually pleasing it will generally get you to play it initially and you may even put 40-60$ down until you get a feel for the game play and mechanics. I have paid for dozens of games to only let the first month subscription expire and not renew.
Another example, I loved the look of Guildwars 2, but only ended up playing about 2 solid months. I think the graphics are very polished and appealing, and enjoyed simply exploring the world. I play MMOs primarily for PVP but it kept my interest mostly because of the graphics. The RvR was a lagged zergfest at the time so wasn't very appealing.
I think as a whole MMORPG gamers are becoming more mature in our tastes and expectations and the days of one title having 8 million+ subscribers is long past, there will likely never be a WoW type subscription game again. That and there are a lot of other options out there now.
90% (vast majority) of Asian games I avoid, simply because of the cartoony, childish or otherwise overly exaggerated and unrealistic graphics, not to mention gender lock... lazy programming or what?
ESO is looking good right about now.
Edit: don't quote me on the WoW totals, I know it was almost double that at its peak but don't care to look at how far it has fallen recently.
Originally posted by MindTrigger The stylized graphics in EQNext allow for the constructable / destructable world, among other things. I'll take those new features over the same ancient themepark crap from the likes of ESO any day.
And if I wanted to play some cartoon, I'd just wait for WildStar.
Originally posted by fistorm Its 2013, and unbeleivable graphics have came out. Bethesda and Zenimax have taken hold of these amazing capablities and made us an online game with them. Elder Scrolls Online. After seeing what EQ Next will look like, and its gameworld looking like last years Guildwars 2 gameworld in graphics, there will be no one in the way to make this the most realistic MMORPG of the year, and in fact, all time. I hope and have no doubt we will see more MMORPG's start to follow this amazing graphic outlook to push these games to look even more real and enjoyable. Just wanted to say Thankyou ESO! ESO Screenshot Eq Next Screenshot
While realistic it's a bit dull!
Originally posted by Nephaerius To whoever suggested eqn looks like 1983 graphics I date you to go back and play a game from that year ........
People dont know what they are saying, EQN looks to have great graphics, lightning and detail are on top of the MMO scene. Annimations are way beyound other games and simply rock
But, they have choosen for a certain artstyle which is not favored by many of the hardcore players.
EQN has the best graphics and annimation, but i personally prefer the dark and creepy yet still beautifull world design of TESO.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Originally posted by karmath Please stop calling TES:O a MMORPG. The developers themselves have stated its a co-op rpg. Thanks.
true it !
and... makers of five TES games Bethesda Game Studio not working on ESO,devs are Zenimax Online Studio,both devs are employers of Zenimax Game Company.
Peoples mixing it.
only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW
Originally posted by Margulis Since the reveal of EQNext I must say my interest in ESO has grown exponentially. I can't stand cartoony kiddie graphics. However I would disagree this game has the most realistic, probably the best and most realistic I've seen thus far is Black Desert Online - especially the character models it's unreal. Take a look starting at about 2:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtB5DoJ6OI
I'm looking forward to Black Desert.
The landscapes are gorgeous, but those character models are just creepy. Guess they landed in the Uncanny Valley.
No impact at all on whether I'll play it or not, game plays the selling point for me and I like where they're going with that.
I think they were referring to Dragons Lair, the animated (Don Bluth) video game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6em4GRiRY0.
The funny thing is I'd love a modern game that actually looked and played like that, and was animated as smoothly (rather than just being a pre rendered cartoon). That'd be amazing.
I've personally enjoyed games with all kinds of styles, provided it's a good game, and that the aesthetic is cohesive. I'd be gutted if I could only like games that attempt photo-realism, make use of stylized, or even just ascii.
What a heart breaking limiter that would be.
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Originally posted by cheyane Is this game PvP or is it optional with PvE servers ?
PvP only in instanced areas.
Originally posted by Abrraham Originally posted by cheyane Is this game PvP or is it optional with PvE servers ?
Yes good then I am in.
Originally posted by Doogiehowser I will take gameplay over graphics any day.
i agree with that
but graphics and espescially annimations do need to be of a certain level... If they fall under the bracket of my acceptation i can not play the game..
Originally posted by cheyane Originally posted by Abrraham Originally posted by cheyane Is this game PvP or is it optional with PvE servers ?
Well... by instanced you dont justify the PvP, as the PvP is consistent lasting up to several months withouth resets..
The size of the PvP area is mindblowing as it is 8 fullblown zones, also including lots of PvE activities.
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Originally posted by cheyane Originally posted by Abrraham Originally posted by cheyane Is this game PvP or is it optional with PvE servers ?
Does it have player looting in these ? I will participate in PvP if it is consensual and without player looting. No open world PvP then I will play.
Originally posted by cheyane Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Originally posted by cheyane Originally posted by Abrraham Originally posted by cheyane Is this game PvP or is it optional with PvE servers ?
No, it's the more civilized type of PVP death: you lose no items nor coin.
I don't know if the enemy can loot some random generated "other stuff" from your warm corpse like in GW2, but your own death penalty will be loss of time, possibly having to hike it back to the battle (if you don't get rezzed) and a possible amount of item damage that you'll need to repair. Think DAoC RvR.
I know that sadomasochistic hipsters won't be happy with this, but it's my preferred way too
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph Originally posted by karmath Please stop calling TES:O a MMORPG. The developers themselves have stated its a co-op rpg. Thanks.
It's an mmorpg...period.
Post # 14... Paul Sage's answer to my question:
Originally posted by Iselin Hi Paul, Thanks for taking the time to come here and answer questions. There seems to have been a lot of talk lately about whether ESO is a real MMO prompted by some statements you guys made last month about it being playable as a single player experience. I've been following the development of the game closely for several months and I don't see any changes in the design of the game. Can you explain why the shift in emphasis on how you describe the game?
I think this has to do with how we approach development. We were worried that the term MMO had become synonymous with a certain type of game with an almost exact set of rules. That was definitely a perception we felt, even internally. But we really wanted to be true to our IP first, and still have this amazing social game with thousands of players online. When I started on UO, MMO was a new term and there weren't limits on it. We don't dislike the term or the association, we love it. We just want to make sure people aren't expecting it to be a clone of certain games.