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[Preview] EverQuest Next: Making the New World Feel Authentic

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  • dwarfkinglordsdwarfkinglords Decline to Identify, CAPosts: 75Member Uncommon
    i never cared about story in mmo.. 
  • leoo88556leoo88556 TaipeiPosts: 135Member
    One word... AWESOME!!!
  • LeviathonlxLeviathonlx Cleveland, OHPosts: 135Member
    Originally posted by Grailer

     

    Also the games characters look like cartoons so I hope they don't make the game too serious because how can you take a cartoon serious ? It needs to be funny and witty . See Wildstar .

     

     

    Pretty easily actually.

  • Bonez005Bonez005 Lafayette, COPosts: 36Member
    Not sure why people have such a hard time with the art style of EQ Next... I've been a long time fan since EQ1 and have played and enjoyed every EQ game there ever was (Console and PC) so it cant be a veteran thing because I absolutely love the art direction they went with... It reminds me of ElfQuest (Most of you probably don't know what that is as its been long forgotten). I'll never understand. I have been seeing plenty of references to EQ1 and EQ2 "realistic" models and I can't help but laugh. Both of those game's character models were FAR from realistic or life-like. They were video game models... Maybe I just like to game and I'm not so anal or simple minded as to favor one art style. Anyway, Its a shame I come here to share in excitement and need to deal with comments from people who believe they are owed something.  Anyway... Awesome article, and thank you!
  • kyssarikyssari Tipton, IAPosts: 142Member
    no mention of Tunare, Cazic Thule or Innoruuk?! :(
  • MegilindirMegilindir AnkaraPosts: 89Member
    Dont make a story. make people make the story.Like UO.Like you can write a note about some treasure you've buried and hid it on some random drawer or chest in somewhere.THATS how you make the story not writing imaginary repetitive bullcrap.Enough with "heroes" and "dragons" and some tenmillion thousand ages which's been told in one sloppy-authored book.
     

    beLIEve

  • ReverielleReverielle AustraliPosts: 66Member Uncommon
    "Having a fresh take on an old story like this also makes the game that much more accessible to new players"
     
    I think this is a very important point. It's a good thing that SOE is developing the lore this in way for EQN. New players to the world won't feel they are being 'left behind', 'not as important' or 'not as valuable to the community'  by not having experienced/known the lore from EQ/EQ2.
     
    Similarly it will also go some ways to to removing a schism from the community I've seen at times in other games. In sequel MMOs and the like, sometimes players are categorised by their peers based on whether or not they've played the previous games in the series, or know the lore from them. As a result (if they haven't or don't) sometimes they're thought less of by the community, or themselves think they don't the 'right' to contribute to RP or similar. Whilst not common, it's very unfortunate when this happens.
     
    I'm glad for the fresh lore spin for EQN.
     
     
  • Blazer6992Blazer6992 Las Vegas, NVPosts: 606Member Uncommon

    It's hard to make a cartoon authentic.

     

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon
    It is good to see that even if the graphics is for kiddies the lore will not be.
  • SuperPanekiSuperPaneki New York, NYPosts: 62Member
    They delivered everything I was looking forward to see in the next Everquest iteration, but those graphics killed me. I'm out!!!!! Everquest 1's lore was way BETTER!
  • KalisutraKalisutra Grovetown, GAPosts: 6Member
    Originally posted by Grailer

    Seems like they are doing exactly what SWTOR did with timelines and story etc .  Of course we know how SWTOR turned out.

     

    And tbh those stories in SWTOR didn't effect the game much or make it feel more authentic.

     

    While having all that stuff is good I think the game needs to be authentic within the game itself .

     

     

     

     

    Also the games characters look like cartoons so I hope they don't make the game too serious because how can you take a cartoon serious ? It needs to be funny and witty . See Wildstar .

     

    Or make the characters look serious and have a serious game which most people want.

    I will use this example because this is what the Kerran reminds me of....

     

    Well, the lion king was a cartoon, and within the first 20 or 30 minutes of that movie, you get to see the main character's father (Mufasa) fall off a cliff and get trampled to death by a stampede.  I'm pretty sure everyone in the theater was crying on that one, parents included. 

    Its not so hard for cartoons to be serious... even if they're goofy looking.  It's all about mood, plot, and setting (or in one word... Lore).

    Also, i'm pretty sure you don't speak for "most people"... not everyone is so shallow that they can't  look a little deeper into the game without passing judgement on the graphics.

    OH yeah... and i feel like I should note I'm not a HUGE fan of the character graphics, but I definitely agree that stylized art ages better than realistic graphics do, so i can understand it from a developer perspective.  The way they've pieced it together, it's a beautiful world from everything I've seen so far.

     

  • SirBalinSirBalin Joppa, MDPosts: 1,150Member Uncommon
    I read Mos Eisley and smiled :)

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  • ChrysaorChrysaor San Jose, CAPosts: 70Member
    How can you create an Everquest game that has no connection to all the lore we already know about the world?  They should have just called this something other than Everquest.
  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Well that pretty much answers the question on start up areas. Seems there will only be one area where everyone starts Qeynos. Seems pretty limited compared to both EQ and EQ2
  • ReverielleReverielle AustraliPosts: 66Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kalisutra
    Originally posted by Grailer

    Seems like they are doing exactly what SWTOR did with timelines and story etc .  Of course we know how SWTOR turned out.

     

    And tbh those stories in SWTOR didn't effect the game much or make it feel more authentic.

     

    While having all that stuff is good I think the game needs to be authentic within the game itself .

     

     

     

     

    Also the games characters look like cartoons so I hope they don't make the game too serious because how can you take a cartoon serious ? It needs to be funny and witty . See Wildstar .

     

    Or make the characters look serious and have a serious game which most people want.

    I will use this example because this is what the Kerran reminds me of....

     

    Well, the lion king was a cartoon, and within the first 20 or 30 minutes of that movie, you get to see the main character's father (Mufasa) fall off a cliff and get trampled to death by a stampede.  I'm pretty sure everyone in the theater was crying on that one, parents included. 

    Its not so hard for cartoons to be serious... even if they're goofy looking.  It's all about mood, plot, and setting (or in one word... Lore).

    Also, i'm pretty sure you don't speak for "most people"... not everyone is so shallow that they can't  look a little deeper into the game without passing judgement on the graphics.

    OH yeah... and i feel like I should note I'm not a HUGE fan of the character graphics, but I definitely agree that stylized art ages better than realistic graphics do, so i can understand it from a developer perspective.  The way they've pieced it together, it's a beautiful world from everything I've seen so far.

     

    At SOE Live they made it quite clear why they developed the characters the way they have, and it is a very good reason. There's a saying, and in this context it's an important one; and it's function before fashion.  Sure they could have tried to make the characters completely realistic looking, but in doing would impose limitations that were counterproductive to the emotive and rich environment (through their characters in this case) they SOE are trying to create.

    Watch the video of the "Everquest Next Worldwide Debut: Part 1" from about 32:15, and you'll hear Dave Georgeson give a number of ideas they wanted to achieve in game, which in turn corresponds to the number of reasons why they developed the characters to look like they are. 

    It's not perfect, nothing ever is, but it is what it is. I for one think the human avatars look excellent. Just remember though, That's just one look.

  • RogoshRogosh MIPosts: 182Member Uncommon
    Everquest without Rallos Zek , is pure garbage. Rallos is War, you cant have eq without him. So now ogres and frogs all woship marr? wtf.

    "Its better to look ugly and win than pretty and lose"

  • maplestonemaplestone Ottawa, ONPosts: 3,099Member
    Originally posted by Miblet
    Originally posted by maplestone
    Are the events of EQ1/EQ2 going to be a part of the archeology?  Or is it a true reboot that puts players into a version of the world where those two games never happened?

    No.  Think of this as a new version of Norrath, same natural landscape though different people's and history (and as such differing cities etc...well ruins of such cities anyway,

    Does that not seem like a missed opportunity that devalues the earlier games?  I mean, is not the lore that accumulates from games themselves (both developer lore and the actions of players themselves) rather important to the history of a world, to the sense that what one is doing while playing matters?

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,536Member Uncommon

    seeing how the other games are still in development i am sure they did not want to limit them self with a convoluted canon for three games that need to fit together... Much better to let things be as they are.

     

    Also for the people complaining about the art style... Three words. Deal... With... It, or Take... Care... Bye... Especially as both EQ and EQ2 are still in development. If you like to play those games... Play them. Don´t force the people who have no interest in them to adhere to your narrow idea of what makes a good game.

    Oersonally this game looks very interesting and as i always say, if they can deliver on even half of the things they say it will be a very good game.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,758Member Uncommon
    I wish Soe would ahve given the EQ1/EQ2 players the game they wanted and made this one a totally seperate game.....It feels like it has nothing to do with the other 2 other than using the Everquest name and some lore.
  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioPosts: 2,430Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by maplestone
    Originally posted by Miblet
    Originally posted by maplestone
    Are the events of EQ1/EQ2 going to be a part of the archeology?  Or is it a true reboot that puts players into a version of the world where those two games never happened?

    No.  Think of this as a new version of Norrath, same natural landscape though different people's and history (and as such differing cities etc...well ruins of such cities anyway,

    Does that not seem like a missed opportunity that devalues the earlier games?  I mean, is not the lore that accumulates from games themselves (both developer lore and the actions of players themselves) rather important to the history of a world, to the sense that what one is doing while playing matters?

    Isn't this game in a time setting before those games?

    One thing about written history, it's often wrong or incomplete. Is it possible that they will actually use that lore as a guide in this sort of way? But don't want to say so, so as not to give anything away? (Which would allow them some freedom in the "correct history" sort of way.)

    I'm not making a statement, just wondering.

    Once upon a time....

  • munx4555munx4555 moiPosts: 169Member

    While I loved eq1 and its lore, I have to say I belive a reboot is the correct move, like some have pointed out the lore from eq1 is just to deep and messy at this point with the amount of expansions it has had.

     

    In a way what I've heard of eqn makes me think of the colonization of america, and in a way it feels like it could be the prequel to eq1, however if you keept the eq1 lore it would severly limit how far forward in time eqn could progress, which would be a shame.

    Also I have to say I am extremly happy to see a eq universe where shadows of luclin and planes of power havnt happened yet, those two turned my eq experience from something great to something meh.

     

    While we will all start of in qeynos I kinda get the feeling that the races might at some point start going theyr own ways and setting up theyr own towns, this would feel like the players were colonizing norrath, to me that sounds extremly cool.

     

    Don't get me wrong there are things I dislike about what I've heard of eqn, but I think rebooting the lore is a good move, I just hope we never visit the moon in this universe.

  • EndoRobotoEndoRoboto Silverdale, WAPosts: 275Member
    It sounds like a lot of people want to play the same game that came out in 1999 but without any improvements. Sorry folks but the past is history, look forward to the future!
  • munx4555munx4555 moiPosts: 169Member
    Originally posted by EndoRoboto
    It sounds like a lot of people want to play the same game that came out in 1999 but without any improvements. Sorry folks but the past is history, look forward to the future!

    Sad part is if we indeed got that we'd already know where the story was going, alot of people don't seem to realise that :/

  • Shadowguy64Shadowguy64 Rohnert Park, CAPosts: 848Member
    Originally posted by EndoRoboto
    It sounds like a lot of people want to play the same game that came out in 1999 but without any improvements. Sorry folks but the past is history, look forward to the future!

     

    I feel bad for them. They will wait until the end of time and never get what they are waiting for. In the meantime, they will miss every good (and bad) MMO made.

     

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  • ValkaernValkaern OxfordPosts: 512Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Well that pretty much answers the question on start up areas. Seems there will only be one area where everyone starts Qeynos. Seems pretty limited compared to both EQ and EQ2

    A game that's not developed around linear (or even loose) quest hubs doesn't really need to rely as heavily upon a variety of static locations to provide alternate play experiences (which seems to be the biggest reason for people wanting tons of starting cities). Most of the other concerns can be handled in the character creation screen.

     

    If previous procedurally generated games are any indication, the world will be absolutely massive, varied and likely constantly changing. It seems unlikely in a sandbox this large, with the tools they've shown us, that player housing will be instanced. If that's the case, I expect player 'cities' of a sort to spring up as well, even if there's no actual city functionality. 

     

    I'd take that over a variety of racial starting cities that mainly existed to service old limitations of content delivery. Creating an area that gives a sense of place and has personal significance is worth way more to me than just inheriting a place that I'd likely move on from anyway - especially if it's just for the sake of having a number of starting areas - which seems unnecessary to me in a model like this.

     

    If this were another static themepark I'd be in total agreement with you,  more starting places = more replayability. But in the context of what they've shown us and what they intend to do, it doesn't seem like something that would serve a purpose that couldn't be handled at character creation.

     
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