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  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,906Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MindTrigger

    The stylized graphics in EQNext allow for the constructable / destructable world, among other things.  I'll take those new features over the same ancient themepark crap from the likes of ESO any day.

    Wow, you could have said that nicer.

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  • PlumpPlump Acushnet, MAPosts: 10Member

    TESO isn't an MMORPG. It is skyrim multiplayer with worse graphics and tacked on MMO elements

     

    If you are expecting TESO to be your next timesink MMO, I am sorry but you will be disappointed. I guarantee it will flop, as much as I hate to say that. I was amped up about TESO as well since its initial reveal. After lots of research into TESO, I can accurately say that this game will be an over-instanced skyrim with hotbars. I come to this conclusion from all the articles I have read, podcasts I've listened to, forums I've visited, and more importantly, the dev's seemingly abundance of "pre-rendered canned buzzword jargen filled" replies to core game questions. you can tell when Paul Sage is about to spew bullshit--whenever he begins a response to a question with "SO". Completely fabricated canned replies. sigh

     

    They are counting on marketing TESO to console gamers and TES fans enough to carry the game into profit earnings before they abandon the TES franchise. the concept and development of TESO began, afterall, right after skyrim's huge success. It is an elaborate cash grab attempt at milking a dying franchse. This is the reality of today's gaming market, unfortunately. The tacked on 1st person view is an afterthought and in extremely bad shape atm. the game was in development for 4+ years with 3rd person in mind--It will remain rough, unpolished, floaty, unnatural imo unless some serious coding/innovation is done by next spring.

  • LlexXLlexX HungaryPosts: 197Member
    OP, you are out of your mind if you are thinking that TESO has realistic or even good graphics, please check other MMORPG's first before saying nonsense like this, the graphic of TESO is actually CRAP compared to MMO's of 2014 and its crap compared to Oblivion, it looks something like a modded Morrowind graphics.
  • svannsvann san jose, CAPosts: 1,639Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by karmath

    Please stop calling TES:O a MMORPG. The developers themselves have stated its a co-op rpg.

     

    Thanks.

    The intent was to say "its not your stereotypical mmorpg".

    You're welcome.

  • fistormfistorm Smalltown, WIPosts: 836Member Common
    Originally posted by LlexX
    OP, you are out of your mind if you are thinking that TESO has realistic or even good graphics, please check other MMORPG's first before saying nonsense like this, the graphic of TESO is actually CRAP compared to MMO's of 2014 and its crap compared to Oblivion, it looks something like a modded Morrowind graphics.

    all that coming from a cartoon hamster.  I know it may be shocking to a cartoon that ESO is real, but I don't know how to break the news to you.  I think roger rabbit had the same reaction when he found out he was a cartoon also.

  • ReticulataReticulata Greenville, SCPosts: 93Member
    Originally posted by Plump

    TESO isn't an MMORPG. It is skyrim multiplayer with worse graphics and tacked on MMO elements

     

    If you are expecting TESO to be your next timesink MMO, I am sorry but you will be disappointed. I guarantee it will flop, as much as I hate to say that. I was amped up about TESO as well since its initial reveal. After lots of research into TESO, I can accurately say that this game will be an over-instanced skyrim with hotbars. I come to this conclusion from all the articles I have read, podcasts I've listened to, forums I've visited, and more importantly, the dev's seemingly abundance of "pre-rendered canned buzzword jargen filled" replies to core game questions. you can tell when Paul Sage is about to spew bullshit--whenever he begins a response to a question with "SO". Completely fabricated canned replies. sigh

     

    They are counting on marketing TESO to console gamers and TES fans enough to carry the game into profit earnings before they abandon the TES franchise. the concept and development of TESO began, afterall, right after skyrim's huge success. It is an elaborate cash grab attempt at milking a dying franchse. This is the reality of today's gaming market, unfortunately. The tacked on 1st person view is an afterthought and in extremely bad shape atm. the game was in development for 4+ years with 3rd person in mind--It will remain rough, unpolished, floaty, unnatural imo unless some serious coding/innovation is done by next spring.

    Thanks for the input. I have not had a chance to research the game yet, but this is exactly what I was afraid I would find out once I did. Your comment on the "cash grab" state of most mmorpgs today is a sad reality. It seems to be the prevailing business model.

    SOE changes name to Daybreak games, cause dey break games.
  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,906Member Uncommon

    I am going to ignore the entire "what is a MMO" rant. It's just absurd.

    I have to admit, I like the TESO look 100 times better, myself. Don't get me wrong, I will definitely play both MMOs, and I give EQ:N credit for the daring ideas. But the landscapes and the chars... sorry that's SO not my cup of tea. I NEVER expected this in an Everquest named MMO. The screenshots we have seen from TESO looks a bit too brown, but we have mostly seen Morrowind so far. I already like the gritty detail of TESO much more.

    Of course both games are in beta, so what do we know...

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  • ZiyadahZiyadah Knoxville, TNPosts: 13Member

    TES:O looks "realistic" in that it looks like a lower resolution version of Skyrim.  That's fine and all, but the problem with that is, as we've seen with every MMO that's aimed for realistic, it ages like a porn star.  Looks great when it first starts its career, couple years later it looks like it's ancient and requires a face lift, tummy tuck, and implants before anyone really wants to stick it in again.

  • SiugSiug TallinnPosts: 1,236Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by karmath

    Please stop calling TES:O a MMORPG. The developers themselves have stated its a co-op rpg.

     

    Thanks.

    Explain the Cyrodiil "co-op RPG" experience to me...if you even know what Cyrodiil is.

    Whatever the devs are spinning these days to attract the single player TES crowd, this is an MMO. Saying otherwise is just showing your total lack of knowledge about the game and systems.

     

    I guess that many people don't care about Cyrodiil at all. Question is if PvE part of the game is solo or group oriented.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    if i'd go for graphics i'd probably rather go for tsw than eso - even if the graphics quality might be a bit lower (dont know) - at least i get something different in terms of lore and art style...eso is just the same fantasy as everquest - and then i rather choose the one that delivers more on the mechanics side.
  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,612Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elikal

    I am going to ignore the entire "what is a MMO" rant. It's just absurd.

    I have to admit, I like the TESO look 100 times better, myself. Don't get me wrong, I will definitely play both MMOs, and I give EQ:N credit for the daring ideas. But the landscapes and the chars... sorry that's SO not my cup of tea. I NEVER expected this in an Everquest named MMO. The screenshots we have seen from TESO looks a bit too brown, but we have mostly seen Morrowind so far. I already like the gritty detail of TESO much more.

    Of course both games are in beta, so what do we know...

    I'm with you. I'll play them both too. I don't like the character graphics in EQN but there are many innovative things that are either new or very rare in MMOs. SOE is having the the balls to try some very unique things and I want  to experience them for myself.

    By comparison, ESO is taking a more traditional approach. The innovation is there too but it's more subtle and incremental. And they're bringing back an older but seldom used feature: the DAoC style 3-sided RvR. It may not seem so unusual these days after GW2 gave it a shot (as did TSW in a half-assed way) but these guys are going about it the right way.

    I'll play EQN for the smart NPC AI, mob pack behavior, non-repeatable events and changing world.

    I'll play ESO for the cross-class character customization (which is similar but seems better to me than what EQN has planned) and the PVP in Cyrodiil.

    Sure, both games have warts, but what frigging MMO doesn't? I just have to roll my eyes at some of the extreme hysterical posts in both forums. There seem to be a lot of kids around who claim they won't play game "X" if it doesn't have everything they think they wan in it... "no chat bubbles? I'm out!" "instancing? I'm out!" etc. They've either been spoiled rotten or (more likely) are just throwing public temper tantrums and will play the game anyway despite what they claim now.

  • QuickShatterQuickShatter Everett, WAPosts: 12Member
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Elikal

    I am going to ignore the entire "what is a MMO" rant. It's just absurd.

    I have to admit, I like the TESO look 100 times better, myself. Don't get me wrong, I will definitely play both MMOs, and I give EQ:N credit for the daring ideas. But the landscapes and the chars... sorry that's SO not my cup of tea. I NEVER expected this in an Everquest named MMO. The screenshots we have seen from TESO looks a bit too brown, but we have mostly seen Morrowind so far. I already like the gritty detail of TESO much more.

    Of course both games are in beta, so what do we know...

    I'm with you. I'll play them both too. I don't like the character graphics in EQN but there are many innovative things that are either new or very rare in MMOs. SOE is having the the balls to try some very unique things and I want  to experience them for myself.

    By comparison, ESO is taking a more traditional approach. The innovation is there too but it's more subtle and incremental. And they're bringing back an older but seldom used feature: the DAoC style 3-sided RvR. It may not seem so unusual these days after GW2 gave it a shot (as did TSW in a half-assed way) but these guys are going about it the right way.

    I'll play EQN for the smart NPC AI, mob pack behavior, non-repeatable events and changing world.

    I'll play ESO for the cross-class character customization (which is similar but seems better to me than what EQN has planned) and the PVP in Cyrodiil.

    Sure, both games have warts, but what frigging MMO doesn't? I just have to roll my eyes at some of the extreme hysterical posts in both forums. There seem to be a lot of kids around who claim they won't play game "X" if it doesn't have everything they think they wan in it... "no chat bubbles? I'm out!" "instancing? I'm out!" etc. They've either been spoiled rotten or (more likely) are just throwing public temper tantrums and will play the game anyway despite what they claim now.

    Dude where have you been in all the other forums!!? Finally someone who sees the light!!!

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fistorm
    I'll agree, that eq next has revolutionary game mechanics that we never seen before, but as far as graphics go, they will not be as good as ESO's this time around.  I guess people will have to choose what they like most in these games.  Game mechanics or real looking graphics.   It will be nice to see someday if game mechanics of eq next could be added to a game as stunningly beautiful as ESO

    That's not how the reality of these things work.

    At some point I'm sure we'll get technology that will handle today's graphics with the most robust game mechanics imaginable. However, by that time graphics will have also evolved. And the graphics we think are so amazing today will look like crap by comparison to what we will have 10-20 years from now.

    Go back and play some of the games available in the '90s and you'll get an idea of just how much things can change in 20 years.

    - Unfortunately, gamers will always have to pick what's more important to them. Superior mechanics, or cutting-edge graphics. The two will never mix completely, because of both technical limitations as well as limited studio resources. However, this is a lesson gamers seem doomed to relearn over & over as a whole.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,908Member Uncommon
    I think they both look good graphically... I do prefer the art style of ESO though.

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ticklepink
    Originally posted by Myrdynn

    I just watched their premeire quake video, and it looked like Conan type graphics, not these great graphics as claimed.  Dont get me wrong, they look fine, but Black Desert shreds this

     

    I've seen enough leaked Youtube videos of char creation and game play of ESO that when i can see dents and dings on armor that glares when sunlight hits it..It's a little better than AOC. While I do agree it is in that same genre.."realistic,' Dynamic weather and day night cycles are pretty impressive.

    However I will never be willing to revert to Dragon's Lair from 1983 for the sole purpose of being able to blow up the ground and watch a tree fall over.

    LOL that was funny. I like the direction of the game graphically. This and Black Dessert right up my alley and even GW2, especially the cities. The biggest issue I have with eqnext fans is that they have seen so little and assume that concept equals successful delivery. I love the concepts, but its just that, concepts. They should learn from the BMW 4 series which is about to be released which is nothing like the concept car :-) lol

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  • PsychoticHamsterPsychoticHamster Brooklyn, NYPosts: 97Member Common
    Are......are you serious? ESO has current gen, or soon to be last gen graphics. Compared to say, even skyrim, its graphics are far behind. Even for MMOs its far behind BLESS and Black Desert. It definitely has a good art style, but in terms of graphical strength ESO is pretty lacking.

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PsychoticHamster
    Are......are you serious? ESO has current gen, or soon to be last gen graphics. Compared to say, even skyrim, its graphics are far behind. Even for MMOs its far behind BLESS and Black Desert. It definitely has a good art style, but in terms of graphical strength ESO is pretty lacking.

    Sorry no I'm not kidding and no I don't at all agree with you. IMO cartoony graphics are already antiquated by their own nature and are the easy way out. We see things through different eyes and there is nothing wrong with that. 

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,779Member Uncommon

    I say that both development teams from both studios get together, and rebuild Vanguard with ESOs realistic graphics, and the new features of EQN! 

    I'm at the point that I would love blizzard just to open up about 10 servers with nothing but Vanilla WoW on them. Bring back some old fashion mmorpg and stop throwing action rpg at me. This entire looking forward to another new release only to be disappointed is truly upsetting.

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  • TicklepinkTicklepink Ferrum, VAPosts: 119Member
    ESO graphics are good..very saddened we don't have an American company like Pearl Abyss putting out Black Desert here in the states though.

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  • senti02senti02 Bellingham, WAPosts: 91Member
    i want to play this game and explore the world on my Oculus Rift.
  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,779Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by senti02
    i want to play this game and explore the world on my Oculus Rift.

    Hopefully they have different levels of terrain to explore, like hidden caves and underwater tunnels. GW2 is my favorite to explore, but I love The Elder Scrolls world.

    Have they mentioned it being supported by the Oculus Rift? I'm seeing heart attacks in the future when someone falls off a cliff wearing that thing.

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  • blastermasterblastermaster Cap-aux-Meules, QCPosts: 149Member Uncommon
    What about mobs in ESO? Have'nt read anything on that but are we still stuck with the same "mob fields" that wait to me mowed down by players and respawn ad nauseaum in the same spot? Serious question btw.. cause everyone seem to get stuck on look and destructible content, but EQN has other very interesting features too. (I don't have any preferences btw, the more fun mmos there is, the better it is..)
  • TicklepinkTicklepink Ferrum, VAPosts: 119Member
    From what Ive read certain mobs spawn only for the player.

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  • KhebelnKhebeln DoncasterPosts: 685Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fistorm

    Its 2013, and unbeleivable graphics have came out.  Bethesda and Zenimax have taken hold of these amazing capablities and made us an online game with them.  Elder Scrolls Online.  After seeing what EQ Next will look like, and its gameworld looking like last years Guildwars 2 gameworld in graphics,  there will be no one in the way to make this the most realistic MMORPG of the year, and in fact, all time.   I hope and have no doubt we will see more MMORPG's start to follow this amazing graphic outlook to push these games to look even more real and enjoyable.   Just wanted to say Thankyou ESO!

    ESO Screenshot

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    Eq Next Screenshot

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    Sorry but TESO visual are nothing special and a year after release they will look dated.

    Not to mention the animations, facial animation through SOEemote, chracter physics for armor, hair etc, and pretty much everything else inc destructable world.

    Ehhh.... i take that over ESO any day. Apart from dark feel eso dont really brings anything new or special. Even the seamingly new features they are just copying from Skyrim.

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  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by senti02
    i want to play this game and explore the world on my Oculus Rift.

    Hopefully they have different levels of terrain to explore, like hidden caves and underwater tunnels. GW2 is my favorite to explore, but I love The Elder Scrolls world.

    Have they mentioned it being supported by the Oculus Rift? I'm seeing heart attacks in the future when someone falls off a cliff wearing that thing.

    LOL. I don't think they have mentioned that many specific supported games, but rather to say that they are focusing on PC games not console games. To be honest, even as an ESO fan and curious of EQNext concepts, I am by far more excited about the potential of Occulus Rift. Its either going to be a 3D like fad, or its going to be the next generation of gaming. One can only hope its the latter.

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