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Lead Design refuses to confirm %done or to completion

aspekxaspekx Brandon, FLPosts: 2,167Member

the poster on reddit made this comment:

 

"I asked him for the slightest hint on how far along the game was (percentage completed) and he couldn't comment =(

I think they're going to use EQN:Landmark to sort of test their procedural generator, use our slave labor to create content for the game, and keep us occupied while they finish things off. I suspect it will launch some time in 2014, most likely the later part of the year."

 

full post is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/1jm875/talked_to_darrin_lead_game_design_at_the_pool/

"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

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  • VonbekVonbek CanberraPosts: 53Member
    Originally posted by aspekx

    the poster on reddit made this comment:

     

    "I asked him for the slightest hint on how far along the game was (percentage completed) and he couldn't comment =(

    I think they're going to use EQN:Landmark to sort of test their procedural generator, use our slave labor to create content for the game, and keep us occupied while they finish things off. I suspect it will launch some time in 2014, most likely the later part of the year."

     

    full post is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/1jm875/talked_to_darrin_lead_game_design_at_the_pool/

    Oh no drama!!!! He refused to tell !!! They must be in a really terrible situation then!!!!

     

  • LorgarnLorgarn SwedenPosts: 371Member Uncommon
    Good bet, that's probably what's going to happen. Have they announced release dates in SOELive in the past? If so, I'd suspect that they could announce it at SOELive next year, followed by a late-late 2014 / early 2015 release.
  • LorskaLorska Portland, ORPosts: 74Member
    Originally posted by Lorgarn
    Good bet, that's probably what's going to happen. Have they announced release dates in SOELive in the past? If so, I'd suspect that they could announce it at SOELive next year, followed by a late-late 2014 / early 2015 release.

    Who knows for sure and you could be right, but I just can't imagine them releasing EQN Landmark this winter and then making us wait a whole year prior to getting the actual game.  It'd be a bad move from a marketing standpoint to give us a sort of taste of the game with Landmark and then make us wait too long to the point that some start playing other MMOs and get hooked on those by the time the full EQN launches. 

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon

    It seems the design teams are finally getting smart, things like this should never be brought out in the open..  The only ones that actually should have insight in stuff like this are the people funding the game.

     

     

     

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    2014? I highly doubt it. Two years minimum. They started from scratch two years ago.
  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
         I seriously doubt it will release in 2014..  One thing I noticed with this weekends LIVE event is that EQ Next did not even glint to starting cities..  Don't you find that unusual that with the limited screenshots available, and videos.. NOT ONE shows a city.. No city = No NPC citizens ready either.. So where does crafting fall? or the economy in general.. If things aren't even on the drawing board, I suspect we are at least 2 years away..
  • natpicknatpick stockton/ u.kPosts: 143Member Uncommon
    you wont see this game untill 2015 for sure.

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  • IneveraskforthisIneveraskforthis Macros 7Posts: 374Member

    Looking back i realize how little they have shown in the presentation.

    Two characters, one mini boss, two maps, bunch of trash mob.

    Honesty i just hope SOE takes all the time they need to develop it, but it would be nightmare for marketing if they release the Landmarks wayyyyy before the lanuch date, the hype will lose its steam if the game doesn't launch within a year and half after the release of the Landmarks imo.

  • SmikisSmikis VilniusPosts: 1,045Member
    from what we saw, claiming 20% is done would be very optimistic, so yeh miles and miles away
  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by aspekx

     

    I think they're going to use EQN:Landmark to sort of test their procedural generator, use our slave labor to create content for the game, and keep us occupied while they finish things off. 


     

     

    I see nothing wrong with this.

    The thing is, the players that create stuff for the game wont be 'slave labor', they will be people with a passion for creating stuff that enjoy it.  And they may even get their work in the finished game.  And Im predicting the consistently amazing designers get job offers

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon

    What are you people talking about?

    You can SIGN UP FOR BETA NOW on everquestnext.com! That MEANS beta is not a long way off, i.e. months away!

    So it is entirely possible and probable they release in 2014. Anyone who says otherwise is just disregarding the fact I just mentioned, which is that BETA SIGNUP is going on right now!

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  • ellobo29ellobo29 warren, MIPosts: 406Member Uncommon

    They need to take as much time as they need...... I still got another year of medical school before I graduate and can put some serious time into this game.

    LOL!

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

    You are right .

    I'm being generous with these predictions but:

    - Say Beta begins 3 months from now which is signup time. It is more likely to be closed than open beta.

    - Then Say Beta lasts at most 6 months. At that point they either convert to open beta or release.

     

    That means EQN is not more than 9 months away which means there is simply NO WAY it will be publically released past summer (mid-) 2014. The numbers just don't add up no matter how generous you are.

    So please NOBODY say 2015 anymore without giving logical reasons WHY.

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  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

    You are right .

    I'm being generous with these predictions but:

    - Say Beta begins 3 months from now which is signup time. It is more likely to be closed than open beta.

    - Then Say Beta lasts at most 6 months. At that point they either convert to open beta or release.

     

    That means EQN is not more than 9 months away which means there is simply NO WAY it will be publically released past summer (mid-) 2014. The numbers just don't add up no matter how generous you are.

    So please NOBODY say 2015 anymore without giving logical reasons WHY.

     

    2015

    because:  sin(signup date * day of the week) / lunar cycle * log(closed beta + open beta)^2

    So please NOBODY say 2014 anymore [sic] without making stuff up and throwing around random numbers.

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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  • JC-SmithJC-Smith Chiang MaiPosts: 412Member Uncommon
    Mind you this is all speculation, but it seems to me that they have been building up the tools. I don't think the actual game is all that far along. It looks to me like they focused on getting a few places, a couple classes, etc ready for the presentation. Focused on making those look good (which they did) but content wise it likely has a long ways to go. I'd guess Christmas 2014 at the earliest. These games take time to build. They started from scratch two years ago.
  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

    You are right .

    I'm being generous with these predictions but:

    - Say Beta begins 3 months from now which is signup time. It is more likely to be closed than open beta.

    - Then Say Beta lasts at most 6 months. At that point they either convert to open beta or release.

     

    That means EQN is not more than 9 months away which means there is simply NO WAY it will be publically released past summer (mid-) 2014. The numbers just don't add up no matter how generous you are.

    So please NOBODY say 2015 anymore without giving logical reasons WHY.

    they havent even decided on how the combat will be yet.

    They have said they want the players to be involved...well you dont just get their input and implement something overnight, it takes time.

    And you are pulling 3 mo/6 mo out of your ass entirely.  Plenty of games are in beta for far longer than 6 months.

     

    This game has massive scope.  The AI for instance is on paper so radically different from everything weve seen before and will require lots of testing.

  • SiderasSideras HelsingborgPosts: 231Member
    Hardly slave labor if you enjoy it, no?
  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by taus01
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

    You are right .

    I'm being generous with these predictions but:

    - Say Beta begins 3 months from now which is signup time. It is more likely to be closed than open beta.

    - Then Say Beta lasts at most 6 months. At that point they either convert to open beta or release.

     

    That means EQN is not more than 9 months away which means there is simply NO WAY it will be publically released past summer (mid-) 2014. The numbers just don't add up no matter how generous you are.

    So please NOBODY say 2015 anymore without giving logical reasons WHY.

     

    2015

    because:  sin(signup date * day of the week) / lunar cycle * log(closed beta + open beta)^2

    So please NOBODY say 2014 anymore [sic] without making stuff up and throwing around random numbers.

    Quit being a Jackass and try to PROCESS what I just told you.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon

    The lead designer knows better than to give such numbers.

    Because if he does, and they have to push back release date, all the forums will be like "told you so, that game is doomed! ZOMG VAPORWARE! I H8 U SOE!" etc.. etc.. etc..

    Taking the "when it's ready (tm)" Blizzard stance is the only wise way to do it.

    Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2, The Crew, SotA

    Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

    Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO, SW:TOR and GW2.

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    So if you notice that I'm no longer answering your nonsense, stop trying... because you just joined my block list.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,638Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    The lead designer knows better than to give such numbers.

    Because if he does, and they have to push back release date, all the forums will be like "told you so, that game is doomed! ZOMG VAPORWARE! I H8 U SOE!" etc.. etc.. etc..

    Taking the "when it's ready (tm)" Blizzard stance is the only wise way to do it.

    "Soon(tm)" has become a popular reply in the industry for exactly that reason.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

    You are right .

    I'm being generous with these predictions but:

    - Say Beta begins 3 months from now which is signup time. It is more likely to be closed than open beta.

    - Then Say Beta lasts at most 6 months. At that point they either convert to open beta or release.

     

    That means EQN is not more than 9 months away which means there is simply NO WAY it will be publically released past summer (mid-) 2014. The numbers just don't add up no matter how generous you are.

    So please NOBODY say 2015 anymore without giving logical reasons WHY.

    they havent even decided on how the combat will be yet.

    They have said they want the players to be involved...well you dont just get their input and implement something overnight, it takes time.

    And you are pulling 3 mo/6 mo out of your ass entirely.  Plenty of games are in beta for far longer than 6 months.

     

    This game has massive scope.  The AI for instance is on paper so radically different from everything weve seen before and will require lots of testing.

    OK fine, extend the beta period to 1 yr which is an insanely long beta. That's STILL NOT 2015. At least I'm trying to estimate here. There are quite a few I see coming up with release dates pulled entirely out their asses. Anyone wanna go for 2016 release based off the fact that "Oh, they haven't shown us the PvP yet. That means there's no PvP system yet"

    They've only shown us what they wanted to show us. I just read somewhere that there's a whole MOUNTAIN of stuff we weren't actually shown. In fact here it is:

    "I asked if there was a large majority of the game that they were not showing us (maybe due to lack of polish etc etc) and he said yes." (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/391863/From-Reddit-Talked-to-Darrin-lead-game-design-at-the-pool-party-for-a-bit-heres-what-I-learned-updated.html)

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  • TheJodaTheJoda chicago, ILPosts: 467Member
    .....plain and simple we got lied to again by SOE, smed whatever. Game aint anywhere close to being done by years end like stated. This was SOE last chance with me after all their fuk ups, and now turning EQ into WoW 2.0.....good luck all, i just hope Trion gets their head out of their asses and gets AA done.

    ....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon

    Another thing that amuses me quite a bit is the people saying EQ Next is "WoW 2.0".

    My wild guess is that it's just because of the character graphics... and even that is only remotely similar... everything else shown is as far from WoW as a MMORPG could be.

    As usual on these forums, let's make up some imaginary stuff just to be negative about a game.

    Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2, The Crew, SotA

    Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

    Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO, SW:TOR and GW2.

    ----------------

    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn. After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that neither does the ability to write.
    So if you notice that I'm no longer answering your nonsense, stop trying... because you just joined my block list.

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by taus01
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'd predict early to mid 2014 for release.

     

    I'm also going to risk predicting a longer than average beta test cycle. It looks like there are quite a few complex relationships that will have to be thoroughly tested.

    We haven't even seen crafting yet, or resource gathering. Could they be holding even more aces in that area ? 0.o

    You are right .

    I'm being generous with these predictions but:

    - Say Beta begins 3 months from now which is signup time. It is more likely to be closed than open beta.

    - Then Say Beta lasts at most 6 months. At that point they either convert to open beta or release.

     

    That means EQN is not more than 9 months away which means there is simply NO WAY it will be publically released past summer (mid-) 2014. The numbers just don't add up no matter how generous you are.

    So please NOBODY say 2015 anymore without giving logical reasons WHY.

     

    2015

    because:  sin(signup date * day of the week) / lunar cycle * log(closed beta + open beta)^2

    So please NOBODY say 2014 anymore [sic] without making stuff up and throwing around random numbers.

    Quit being a Jackass and try to PROCESS what I just told you.

    I tried to process your "generous predicitons" but all i could come up with was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJtMNSZ5ZfY

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

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