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Originally posted by Sengi Don't get me wrong SOE has shown us some really exiting things about EQN. But the as the character models appeared for the firs time, that really was a WTF-moment for me. That human character looks exactly like a Disney princess out of a Pixar movie and that Kerra, I don't know how to describe it, its just stupid and ugly. What is this? Tony the Tiger in epic WoW gear. Those Panda-things from WoW are stupid, but I'm sure Blizzard would have rejected this. The Environment looks so good, but the character models just look out of place, like they don't belong in this world. I have nothing against Rapunzel from Tangled but I don't think this is what the Everquests fanbase or any mmorpg player wanted. I just can't identify with that kind of character. I don't know how much work on the models has already been done. But I think there is still time to change them. At least give them less goofy faces, I would be pleased with that. Smedly said something like that he wants to develop the game together with the players. On his "Round Table", he asks us if female dwarfs should have beards or not. The first thing I would do is to flip his round table and tell him: "Listen Smed, you can put beards on things as much as you like, but those big goggle eyes have to go!!!
You need to understand that 'preference' and 'tastes' are irrelevant. If they have set an art direction then that's that. I actually LIKE the art direction, I don't want too much realism in my fantasy games thank you very much. But, there are reasons as to why they picked these character models.
1) Cartoon-eque models have a longer shelf life without things getting dated too quickly, look at WoW for example and then look at the graphics fro EQ1 and EQ2. Graphics are not everything, but for some players its a big deal when they are finding a new game to play.
2) The models help display and show emotional depth, they are really able to pull of a wide range of expressions and considering they are making it available so your web cam translate your real life expression into the game world through your avatar the models need to be able to express that and I believe anything but a cartoon feel would look silly.
But again, these are all preferences and opinions, you have yours and I have mine. The difference between you and I is that I am excited about the game, you appear to be put off by the graphics, so, don't play it.
I didn't mind the models at all although I thought the armor style was a bit WOW'ish. Not a deal breaker for me though.
Originally posted by alyosha17 Originally posted by Grailer If they made them realistic 2 things would happen . 1. Oh noes they made a Secret World clone 2. Five years from now we would be saying how outdated the characters look . Mickey mouse is ageless right . That being said the Kerran looks stupid lol . But hey no one is forced to play that race .
3 years ago they released FFXIV. Now they've downgraded the graphics considerably and people still say the graphics are good.
So I think your "In 5 years time" is a little off.
Also, it's better than having people saying the graphics are crap ALREADY. Also, TSW never had good graphics and certainly never had good character models unless you like elongated humanoids with fish-faces and asthmatic shoulders.
I wouldnt call FFXIV realistic. Its more of a balance between square-enix's Anime style and slight realism. Because it is very colorful and vibrant when it comes to texture like a pure stylized graphics but the characters and armor models shape and proportions are closer to realistic
Originally posted by wesmo The vocal minority is always complaining about something. I think the models look great, beside SOE wont change anything just because some think they should use skyrim models.
Let me guess anyone who doesn't like something you do is the vocal minority
Originally posted by Margulis Originally posted by wesmo The vocal minority is always complaining about something. I think the models look great, beside SOE wont change anything just because some think they should use skyrim models.
The point is that more than 1 billion people from China through Korea to Japan and other 1 billion people from NA to Europe have already proven that the market for stylized graphics is massive.
As an individual you might not like it but you do belong to a minority as proven by sales numbers (from WoW to Lineage etc).
Personally I also like Skyrim models more but have no problem with the more cartoony graphics of WoW or EQN either.
Personally I did not find it that bad either, althought I will admit I did not like WoW graphics in the least and really can't understand why that game was so popular!!
But I was looking more at the environments rather than the character models. I don't really care about the char models as much as the environment. You toon is just that thing in the middle swinging the sword or whatever. If he looks a little ridiculous well that's not a huge turnoff as long as I have other things to look at. And a lot of the other things looked ok ! To me.
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That's why I only gave the presentation a 8/10. I'm not 100% convinced about the playercharacters. They looked VERY out-of-place when put into that semi-realistic world. IF the world looked more like it does in Wildstar, the characters would blend in a lot better. Not saying I would want that, just saying.
They took the semi-realistic Planetside2 graphics and put in a very Disney-like Wildstar character. I'm sort of confused tbh.
Originally posted by DMKano It looks nothing like EQ - if you showed the EQN footage to somebody who played eq1 and eq2 and have fallen into a coma until the reveal - they would never even for 1 second think that what they saw had anything to do with Everquest. I am appalled at the art direction in EQN - yes art direction not graphics. Heck even the audience was very reluctant to clap when they said this is what Firiona looks like in game - awkward. i am still in disbelief that lion king, and the atrocious bulky armor look is actually the art direction???????
Completely agree. This game is NOT Everquest in the slightest...I wish they hadn't even tried to tie it into the Everquest world and instead called it something completely different with it's own IP.
Originally posted by Sephastus If "graphics" are the only thing you have against this game, then boy are you being petty. The reveal has shown much more than even I was expecting. Yet people want to gripe about graphics? Gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>graphics. Hell, give me a craptastic looking chess game, and a super expensive 24k gold-leaf covered turd on a stick, and tell me which one you have more fun playing with.
The gameplay looked like crap too...it's looked like playing Mortal Combat. The only thing I liked was the way the world is built and the AI.
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You are telling me, you want this ^ art style?
This is less disney than the current eqn? This is mature?
This is not cartoony? You played everquest at all?
Originally posted by kuujo You are telling me, you want this ^ art style? This is less disney than the current eqn? This is mature? This is not cartoony? You played everquest at all?
Snipped the pictures for brevity.
Cartoony or not - you know what the big difference is? Compare the PCs to the world around them. They fit. Same colorations, same lighting, same brightness - all of it.
Now do the same thing with the EQN presentation. Those PCs do NOT look like they are part of that world. They are bright and vivid against a semi-realistic, highly-nuanced landscape.
I can totally get behind an art style where everything fits. But it is incredibly jarring to be ripped out of the "belief" of the world every time you look at your own character.
I've said it in another post - I do like the character models. I really do. But I do not like them in this EQ world, because they outright do not fit. And to be clear, I'd rather have the char models fit the world as we saw, I do not want the world changed to fit the char models. :P
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Character models are garbage. This game is not only obviously geared towards young kids, but it is also made to have more success on a console. Lame hack-n-slash cornball combat with a zillion classes that only have a handful of attacks, that's PS4 which is extremely unfortunate.
Disney presents, World of EverCraft. This game isn't gonna make it, at all. Sorry
Originally posted by Latronus Originally posted by DMKano It looks nothing like EQ - if you showed the EQN footage to somebody who played eq1 and eq2 and have fallen into a coma until the reveal - they would never even for 1 second think that what they saw had anything to do with Everquest. I am appalled at the art direction in EQN - yes art direction not graphics. Heck even the audience was very reluctant to clap when they said this is what Firiona looks like in game - awkward. i am still in disbelief that lion king, and the atrocious bulky armor look is actually the art direction???????
Makes two of us. I thought I was looking at WoW2 not EQN.
Oh you didn't know? They are renaming the game to "Everquest Next World of Warcraft".
Character models are absolutely terrible. If I wanted something that looks like it came out of a cereal box I would play Free Realms, Hello Kitty Online Adventure, or World of Warcraft.
Que an item shop full of fluffy cuddly pets, sparkly mounts, and candy drop costumes.
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