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[Column] World of Warcraft: A Look at the Timeless Isle

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,633MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

The forthcoming v5.4 patch for World of Warcraft is currently on the public test realm and we've got a great preview of the new zone, Timeless Isle, in today's WoW Factor. See why we think this may be a great time to hop back into WoW. Read on!

Just off the southeastern coast of the Jade Forest, a small new island has emerged from the mists - an island frozen in time where the sun hangs still in the sky and never sets. What caused the sudden appearance of this new place remains unknown but there are a few theories being tossed around by those who have recently ventured there. Perhaps it will be you who discovers its mystery.

Read more of Reza Lackey's The WoW Factor: A Look at the Timeless Isle.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Sounds like a good stab at taking elements from say GW2 and putting them into WoW.

    Could be a much more interesting time sink than Dailies.

    Interested to see how this is perceived.

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    World of Daily's hasn't been worth jumping back into since The Lich King.
  • JynxxJynxx Cleveland, OHPosts: 21Member

    Looking forward to it ,thanks for the write-up!

     

  • VolgoreVolgore Posts: 2,209Member Uncommon

    I haven't exactly followed the whole thing, but wasn't there something about "Virtual Realms" with 5.4?

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  • JorlJorl SunderlandPosts: 257Member
    Great! How wonderful, we have another Isle and more dailies... YAY! (sarcasm)
  • david361107david361107 chattanooga, TNPosts: 279Member

    The reason WoW is loosing players isn't because of the graphics or how old the game is. Again, nothing in WoW is epic anymore, raid finished in days not months, everything is too easy, period.

    Peace,

    Lascer

  • WoWRezaWoWReza Burbank, CAPosts: 3Member
    Originally posted by Jorl
    Great! How wonderful, we have another Isle and more dailies... YAY! (sarcasm)

    If you read the post, you'd see that the Timeless Isle has very few daily quests and no quest hubs. It's all dynamic events and player driven with very little hand-holding. It's unlike anything previously in WoW. 

  • CoolitCoolit FalkirkPosts: 468Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by david361107

    The reason WoW is loosing players isn't because of the graphics or how old the game is. Again, nothing in WoW is epic anymore, raid finished in days not months, everything is too easy, period.

    Peace,

    Lascer

    That's exactly how I feel, nothing in WoW is epic anymore its all just part of the course.

     

  • BrynnBrynn Albuquerque, NMPosts: 345Member
    Nothing says anything about level requirement to enter here. As usual. Is it a soloable area?
  • ZeroPointNRGZeroPointNRG Crooklyn, NYPosts: 70Member

    I really don't think the graphics have much to do with WoW's decline. It was never a game that one would be attracted to for it's graphical fidelity. 

     

    I think there are a variety of factors leading to the loss of subs. There are probably a lot of players that have a "been there, done that" attitude towards WoW these days, and they're simply looking for something new. There is currently a lot of competition in the MMO genre, and while most MMO's have small player numbers compared to WoW, losing a little here and there to every new game adds up. 

     

    As far as design decisions go, I think the daily quest focus certainly didn't help subscription numbers. When people across the internet begin to refer to your game as "World of Grindcraft", that's a problem. I also think that CRZ was poorly implemented. WoW quests tend to be competitive rather than cooperative, so having quest areas filled with players from other servers only leads to frustration. For example, I recently tried the trial edition of WoW, just to check out the game again and see if I wanted to resub. During some play sessions, I honestly spent more time waiting for mobs to respawn than anything else. It seems like the quest design and respawn rates were not built for zones that are constantly full of players, so now leveling via questing can entail large amounts of standing around and waiting. Not exactly my definition of fun. 

  • kidtristankidtristan sorel, QCPosts: 3Member
    totally agree i have lost my interest  and my girlfriend too  because theres too  much daily.....its almost  impossible in my case to have  5 or 6 char....cause anyway i will never have the time to do all thoses dailys....and im the kind of player that like to play with all my toons so..didnt resub since february   and my girlfriend too we where playing since 2006....
  • Ironman2000Ironman2000 Baltimore, MDPosts: 310Member
    Ya know what though.  Maybe with that Vivendi Monkey off their backs, they can possibly get back to making "World of Warcraft" again, instead of a money pit, which i'm guessing they needed to do because of Vivendi.  Mind you, I have no stake in the game anymore, haven't played since Cataclysm, so i'm looking in from the outside.  I just feel now they might actually get back to building the game again instead of looking for that "Cash Cow".
  • jbombardjbombard SapporoPosts: 531Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ironman2000
    Ya know what though.  Maybe with that Vivendi Monkey off their backs, they can possibly get back to making "World of Warcraft" again, instead of a money pit, which i'm guessing they needed to do because of Vivendi.  Mind you, I have no stake in the game anymore, haven't played since Cataclysm, so i'm looking in from the outside.  I just feel now they might actually get back to building the game again instead of looking for that "Cash Cow".

    They seem to be going ahead with all of their item store plans, so I'm thinking this had nothing to do with Vivendi and is good ol fashioned in house greed.  I honestly don't think Vivendi was holding them back in any way shape or form, as they have said time and time again that their dev team makes all the decisions.  Look forward to more of the same.

     

    Their are a lot of reason why people left, daily burnout likely paid a big role, however we also have the death of dungeons this expack, and LFR as the only reasonable gear path for many players.  LFR wouldn't be so bad except for the queues.  Poor design there, with so many wings, poorly thought out loot lists, and no catch up you have the declining player base stretched out across so many LFR wings it gets increasingly worse as time goes on. etc... etc... etc...  The reason I don't feel like coming back though is besides the fact that it doesn't seem very exciting, I'm not a fan of the double dip worst of both worlds required sub plus you still have to pay for the highest quality pets and mounts, and now that they seem to be expanding it to other items seems like a good time to just say goodbye.

     

    While the timeless isle sounds great in theory, when you stop and think about it that exploration isn't going to last you more than a couple weeks max, and hell new dailies are even fun the first couple weeks.  After that you are just running the same course through the same zone fighting the same rares to get the same loot day after day after day.  Only there won't even be quests as a reason to be there, and without any quests I am also going to assume no real stories to be had.  Not to mention I'm willing to bet you are going to see the scenario a lot where you are fighting your way to a chest you found only to have a hunter run by with mobs chasing him, feign death and grab the chest you have been fighting your way to.  Great system for people with an aggro drop not so much for everyone else.  Unless chests are phased on a per player basis which would be pretty cool.

  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,357Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by david361107

    The reason WoW is loosing players isn't because of the graphics or how old the game is. Again, nothing in WoW is epic anymore, raid finished in days not months, everything is too easy, period.

    Peace,

    Lascer

    So are the many other recent MMOs these days.

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  • MatryoshkaMatryoshka Portland, ORPosts: 92Member
    If you never reported on anything WoW related again mmorpg.com, I don't think anyone would be mad. WoW fanboys tend to not venture outside of the WoW forums or mmo-champion.com because they are too afraid to see anything negative said about the game, you know, reality.
  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,183Member Uncommon
    Looks good, a nice additions to a really good content patch, come on 5.4 release date I am waiting to re-sub.  This zone should be blast on a PvP server.
  • ChieftanChieftan Independence, MOPosts: 1,417Member
    I played WOW for about 6 years which is plenty long enough for any game period...I'm continually surprised that it has as many subbers as it does.

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member

    Why would anyone do dailies any more? You want good gear just do dungeons, convert your justice points to honor then buy pvp gear to get your ilvl up to do Heroic Scenarios ( Using Oqueue add on you can find a group within seconds ) or Raid finder. 

     

    If you want dailies for rep just kill the scouts that walk around in certain areas and get their 1000 rep tokens. ( You can do this alllllll dayyyyyyy long ). But honestly my last 2 toons I leveled I did no dailies whatsoever and both have 517 Ilvl .

    The game is something to do till the next best polished thing. Hopefully FF14 ARR

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member
    Originally posted by Matryoshka
    If you never reported on anything WoW related again mmorpg.com, I don't think anyone would be mad. WoW fanboys tend to not venture outside of the WoW forums or mmo-champion.com because they are too afraid to see anything negative said about the game, you know, reality.
     

    I know the game has been dumbed down beyond belief. I also know there isnt anything out there that I can play to burn my time and chit chat with folks doing the same thing. I play wow for something to do. What game do you play?

     
  • BattlerockBattlerock Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,393Member
    On the decline.... WoW is an old game what does anyone expect? I am still loving it even though imonly now playing with 7.7 million other people.

    On the expac, yup it looks like imported ideas from other games. That's great because wow is the best overall and importing the good things from other games just adds to thier greatness already. It's a winning decision. Can't wait to check it all out. Love this game, it's the best way to pass the time if your feeling like pc gaming.
  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,665Member Uncommon

    How are dailies any different to the living story content we are getting for gw2? Achievement grinding (that's what most of it boils down to) is just as boring if not more so than wow's dailies.

     

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  • DarksulDarksul Parker, COPosts: 4Member
    Originally posted by david361107

    The reason WoW is loosing players isn't because of the graphics or how old the game is. Again, nothing in WoW is epic anymore, raid finished in days not months, everything is too easy, period.

    Peace,

    Lascer

    Yep right on the money its all about achievements and all fluff, the game is tedious beyond belief.

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  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member
     

    People have complained about WoW's graphics and aesthetic style since day 1, so I'm not sure how much of a factor that is in the present decline of the game.  What I will say, however, is that the reason WoW went with the style it did was because they prioritized accessibility over graphical majesty - and that worked amazingly for almost a decade; players with any kind of computer were able to play the game to some satisfaction.  Now, however, we've seen a recent rise of truly beautiful games that seem just as accessible.  A certain bridge has been crossed, where even poor computers now have access to some gorgeous MMO worlds.  In comparison, WoW never has and never will look amazing.  

    That said, I played WoW happily from vanilla through WotlK, with a 1-month return for the beginning of Cata, and I've always thought Blizzard did a really solid job updating its game's graphics.  They made improvements with every expansion, culminating in the complete revamp of the old world after the Cataclysm.  For its style, it really did look good imo.  Now it's just falling behind the times again, and I expect Blizzard to address that in some form.

     

    Originally posted by Brynn
    Nothing says anything about level requirement to enter here. As usual. Is it a soloable area?

    It's an open world zone like any other, intended to give end game players something to do; so one could assume it's max level.  The other part of your question was addressed in the post.  You're free to explore the zone solo and complete events as they come, but many of them, particularly the plethora of bosses, will require several players to take down.  

    If you're not used to GW2's gameplay, you might feel lost for a while.  You're not going to be held by your hand and told where to go.  You just explore and find things.  Also, get more into the cooperative mindset.  Another player questing alongside you is your ally, not your competitor.  You'll be facing the events together, fighting the same mobs, whether you're in a group or not.  

     

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon

    Sounds most like a single GW2 zone to me, they want to see how the typical WoW fanbois like a more dynamic less linear zone path..

    i think this is what wecan expect from the next expansion.

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • jesteralwaysjesteralways ChittagongPosts: 1,040Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Sounds like a good stab at taking elements from say GW2 and putting them into WoW.

    Could be a much more interesting time sink than Dailies.

    Interested to see how this is perceived.

    actually they tried to introduce these kind of content; dynamic/automatic quest gathering based on zone(we just had to explore certain part of map to get quests related to that area)  while in cata but the players called it "too much casual and easy mode". so they scrapped it from ptr. now they are trying it again and this time everyone calling it "awesome", this WOW community i tell you the worst kind of hypocrites in the world. worse than politicians.

    i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
    Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

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