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The next WoW-killer?

VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748

Well... this could get interesting... 

 

"All the newspapers and websites are abuzz with news of Vivendi and its plans to extract an insane amount of money from Activision Blizzard. The sum will turn out to be more than A/B actually has and will throw the gaming company into debt."...

Oderint, dum metuant.

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  • SawlstoneSawlstone Member Posts: 301
    Wow. I was unaware if that. I was on the street when I was 16 because my parents made bad decisions and a corrupt mortgage company seized our house. My parents couldnt pay the mortgage they agreed to. I suddenly feel more loyal to blizzard then I have in previous years.
  • JaedorJaedor Member UncommonPosts: 1,173

    Very interesting. Thanks for the link and heads up.

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,739

    From the sound of the article, they will still have $1-2 billion in cash, they would just need to figure out how to move things around, as most of their cash is in offshore accounts (I am sure to avoid taxes).

     

    The parent company may bleed them, but they won't hurt the current cash cow, BUT what it may do is screw them for their budgets on future games, like Titan that is getting reworked.  When money starts to get tight, you take less risks, and are not willing to put money out for projects.

  • VorchVorch Member UncommonPosts: 793

    That's funked up.

     

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  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785

    Based on title, I was going to post the usual, WoW is killing itself. But holy moly that is a bit of a Blizzard killer isn't it.

    Sitting on surplus only to have the hungry poor decision making parent company come home and say, "gimmie". Sheesh.

     

  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Volkon
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.

    I think every gamer would agree. Or hope they do...

  • JaedorJaedor Member UncommonPosts: 1,173


    Originally posted by Volkon
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.


    This.

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,739
    Originally posted by Sawlstone
    Wow. I was unaware if that. I was on the street when I was 16 because my parents made bad decisions and a corrupt mortgage company seized our house. My parents couldnt pay the mortgage they agreed to. I suddenly feel more loyal to blizzard then I have in previous years.

     

    Just read up on their history, the 3 guys that created the company sold it for 6.75 million, and then it went through a few companies.  Vievendi (sp?) owned Blizzard when WoW launched, so I guess they were the parent company, so they probably feel they have the right to redistribute the money.  Activision merged with Vievendi (sp?) 4-5 years ago...So if anyone is probably getting screwed it is the Activision side of things, since the badly run part of the company is draining the part that Activision thought was worth merging with.

     

    I remember now after reading up on this, how Blizzard floated around some, but for some reason, I forgot about it, probably because they have been printing money with WoW.

     

    I never got into WoW, but I still play StarCraft and some other games of theirs.  Will suck if they lose developmental budget money because of this, even though I didn't like WoW, maybe I would like something else they bring out.

     

     

  • SawlstoneSawlstone Member Posts: 301
    Interesting to know thanks.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Volkon
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.

     

    Blizz probably would worth more by selling it whole, as opposed to pulling out cash and let it fail.

    OTOH, last year, D3 sold 12M boxes .. that is $720M .. not even counting WOW or SC2. They can afford to pull some money out.

     

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Volkon
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.

     

    Blizz probably would worth more by selling it whole, as opposed to pulling out cash and let it fail.

    OTOH, last year, D3 sold 12M boxes .. that is $720M .. not even counting WOW or SC2. They can afford to pull some money out.

     

     

    Sure, they can afford it perhaps... this time. What about next time, or the one after that? Besides, a company makes plans for the future based on available and projected available cash and debts. If Blizzard wasn't prepared for this leeching, well, maybe that's part of what happened regarding Titan getting pushed back, we don't know. If not, good luck to them ever creating it with the Vivendi vampire sucking the lifeblood from the Blizzard teat. 

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218
    I'd like to see Blizzard go it alone.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Volkon
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.

     

    Blizz probably would worth more by selling it whole, as opposed to pulling out cash and let it fail.

    OTOH, last year, D3 sold 12M boxes .. that is $720M .. not even counting WOW or SC2. They can afford to pull some money out.

     

     

    Sure, they can afford it perhaps... this time. What about next time, or the one after that? Besides, a company makes plans for the future based on available and projected available cash and debts. If Blizzard wasn't prepared for this leeching, well, maybe that's part of what happened regarding Titan getting pushed back, we don't know. If not, good luck to them ever creating it with the Vivendi vampire sucking the lifeblood from the Blizzard teat. 

    Who knows what happened next time? In business, no one can see more than a year anyway. Next year, may be Vivendi is doing better, and need no cash, or WOW will fold and Blizz is in trouble, or Blizz will have another hit, and more cash to share.

    Better to focus on right now. Titan is not pushed back. It is going back to the drawing board (more like cancelled). Blizz does that all the time with games they don't think meet their quality of fun.

  • maplestonemaplestone Member UncommonPosts: 3,099

    It puts Blizzard at risk of a scenario former coworkers of mine called "death by MBA".  By forcing Blizzard to go from a pile of cash to high debt, the parent company is cashing out all the current value and essentially telling the management that shrinking down to the size of the remaining market is not an option - it's grow or die.  If all goes well, players won't notice a thing.  If all does not go well, a spiral of risk-taking and cost-cutting will escalate quickly.

     

  • AysonoAysono Member Posts: 164
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Volkon
    If Vivendi has that much debt as claimed, this could simply be the first demand of many for cash. If this turned out to be the beast that takes down the juggernaut... well, that would suck. I don't play Blizzard games anymore (GW2 player now) but regardless you have to respect what Blizz has built. If they ever fall it should be because of their own failings, not some outside debt-addled fail-comp.

     

    Blizz probably would worth more by selling it whole, as opposed to pulling out cash and let it fail.

    OTOH, last year, D3 sold 12M boxes .. that is $720M .. not even counting WOW or SC2. They can afford to pull some money out.

     

    Selling ATVI was their first plan but the offers were too low.

     

    When this $3B special dividend initative passes, Blizzard will certainly not have enough working capitals to go along with all the old projects plus the several new F2P ones in the work. The weaker sisters (in term of future prospects) may face what their siblings D2 and Guitar Hero saw.

     

    Guess who the share holders think are the weaker sisters in ATVI? Not that nobody warned before but the arrogant fanbois just refused to face reality.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,769
    Originally posted by maplestone

    It puts Blizzard at risk of a scenario former coworkers of mine called "death by MBA".  By forcing Blizzard to go from a pile of cash to high debt, the parent company is cashing out all the current value and essentially telling the management that shrinking down to the size of the remaining market is not an option - it's grow or die.  If all goes well, players won't notice a thing.  If all does not go well, a spiral of risk-taking and cost-cutting will escalate quickly.

     

    This is a sore point with me.  Beancounters ruining the economy and taking down businesses.  Take research, beancounters cut funding to anything that doesn't seem like a quick payback or something certain to payoff in the long run.  Anything else is cut.  Year later, they find themselve unable to compete.

    Worse is when these magament tricks are used and those at the top give themselves bonuses they should be ashamed of taking.  Too much greed.

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    no wonder they are full on working towards a full in game cash shop. Gotta make more moneys.




  • JaedorJaedor Member UncommonPosts: 1,173

    I've seen this before in business and milking the cash cow too much too often can kill it pretty quickly. I hope it doesn't happen to Blizzard but the timing of this cash call given the agreement just expired doesn't bode well.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,629
    Is this the real reason behind Blizzard adding Microtransaction shop to WoW and is that why Titan was really put on hold?
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Is this the real reason behind Blizzard adding Microtransaction shop to WoW and is that why Titan was really put on hold?

    the pieces of the puzzle are slowly falling into place. One at a time.





  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Is this the real reason behind Blizzard adding Microtransaction shop to WoW and is that why Titan was really put on hold?

    I don't think that is why Titan is put on hold. I think Titian is put on hold (or rework from scatch) because traditional MMOs have run their courses.

     

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798
    Originally posted by expresso
    I'd like to see Blizzard go it alone.

    from last year, July 2012

    http://me.ign.com/en/news/2501/Activision-Could-Buy-Itself-Back-from-Vivendi

    As news continues to emerge regarding the ongoing saga of Vivendi’s potential sale of Activision Blizzard, it now appears that the buyer could be Activision Blizzard itself. According to The Wall Street Journal, one option that Activision Blizzard and Vivendi have each considered is for Activision Blizzard to buy back all or part of Vivendi’s majority stake.

    Since Vivendi acquired Activision Blizzard in 2008, the French company has held a 61% stake in Activision Blizzard, currently worth upwards of $8 billion (the total market value of Activision Blizzard is presently estimated at $13.4 billion). While Microsoft and Time Warner were among buyers approached about a potential sale, Vivendi was last reported to be finding ‘little enthusiasm’ in selling its stake and could instead opt to allow Activision Blizzard to reacquire its own stock.

    Vivendi’s trouble selling the publisher is reportedly due to the fact that few companies approached have the cash available to find the $8 billion purchase.

  • AysonoAysono Member Posts: 164
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Is this the real reason behind Blizzard adding Microtransaction shop to WoW and is that why Titan was really put on hold?

    Microtransaction brings more profits, that's one of the reasons but I think the bigger reason is realistically no mainstream businesses or gaming companies are in the market to buy subscription based games. Making their games F2P, or at least pretending to be F2P Blizzard gets a much bigger chance to draw the attention of some white knights or angel investors.

     

     

  • ArakaziArakazi Member UncommonPosts: 911
    It's not as bad as it sounds as Blizzard itself is pretty profitable. It won't be wiped of the face of the earth even if Vivendi goes bust, it will be sold or bought out in that event. As long as it is making profits, Blizzard is in no danger. In addition, although Vivendi can drain money away from the holding company, they will only take the "excess", that is the money Blizzard doesn't actually need to operate. Although it may impact future projects if they are seen to be risky, it won't kill wow and shouldn't really impact on the game. However, my view is that it would be better for both parties if someone else bought Activision Blizzard. Vivendi can reduce it's absurd debt, Blizzard can operate and work on future projects without Vivendi being a drag on its finances.
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