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Remember -- EQNext was awarded "Game of Show" twice.

VhayneVhayne none, CAPosts: 546Member Common
So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.
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  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,836Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    to be fair, we don't even know what they saw at E3, it could have been fully playable for all we know.

  • DarkVergilDarkVergil Memphis, TNPosts: 73Member
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    The truth hurts.

  • StrommStromm BrisbanePosts: 243Member
    Originally posted by Vhayne
    So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

    So cute that you still think "industry awards" mean anything.

  • GrailerGrailer HamiltonPosts: 876Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

  • TelondarielTelondariel Ottawa, ONPosts: 1,001Member
    Originally posted by Stromm
    Originally posted by Vhayne
    So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

    So cute that you still think "industry awards" mean anything.

    Yeah.  "Hello" to yet another repeat thread fawning about two people's opinions from E3; one of which (Bill) has a known glad-handing relationship with Dave Georgeson.  

     

    There are a lot of people out there who will gladly allow others to make their decisions and form their opinions for them. 

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  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Vhayne
    So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

    These sites lose credibility on a regular basis. This very site fired a guy for giving SWTOR a low score.

  • AZAlexAZAlex Scottsdale, AZPosts: 7Member
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    But PS2 was great.
  • Gallus85Gallus85 Winter Park, FLPosts: 1,092Member
    Originally posted by AZAlex
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

    Nice list, thanks for compiling.

    Some great games on those lists.  Some may not have been the most amazing things ever, but a lot of the games on the list are quality products that at least tried a hand at innovating.

    SWTOR's dialog system.

    TERA's combat

    Planetside 2 (simply amazing)

    Defiance (great game)

    GW2 (best MMORPG to come out in many years)

    It's also not just the fact that EQN got best in show, it's what was said to go along with it, along with the design philosophy and tiny leaks about EQN that also speak a lot for the game.

    EQN is going to be great.  Besides, if you don't like EQN, they're are tons of other really awesome sandbox MMORPGs on the market to enjoy.

    Oh wait. lol.

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  • sanshi44sanshi44 BrisbanePosts: 1,088Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AZAlex
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

     Ones in red are probaly the best games othat was released those years imo all the one in white i can be sure because i havant played it. Although havant played SWTOR but judging from what ive heared it didnt realy do to well but could be wrong.

  • Gallus85Gallus85 Winter Park, FLPosts: 1,092Member
    Originally posted by sanshi44
    Originally posted by AZAlex
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

     Ones in red are probaly the best games othat was released those years imo all the one in white i can be sure because i havant played it. Although havant played SWTOR but judging from what ive heared it didnt realy do to well but could be wrong.

    SWTOR made some good steps in terms of story telling and making the game more cinematic.  Huttball was also a lot of fun pvp wise lol.  However, the game in many other areas was more of the same (gear treadmill, lack of character gear customization, WoW-style linear themepark gameplay, uninteresting WoW-style combat system, etc).

    It's F2P now with about 3 million players.  So it's not doing bad, and obviously offers something many people want, however, I doubt you'll find much love for it on a forum for a sandbox MMORPG/EQ game. lol.

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  • TyvolusTyvolus Charlotte, NCPosts: 190Member


    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Vhayne So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.
    These sites lose credibility on a regular basis. This very site fired a guy for giving SWTOR a low score.


    how quick people forget that. this site was also bought and paid for by EA to promote SWTOR with pimped up reviews for that joke of an MMO. It was Bill I believe that was telling people he was up all night playing that game, and he even went on, he hadn't played an MMO that did that to him in a long time. it was comical to read. i feel bad for the people who wasted money on that game.

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vhayne
    So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

     pretty sure those sites also gave SW:tor best of show too, and while it had it points look where it is now

  • wsmarwsmar Nashville, TNPosts: 122Member
    Originally posted by Gallus85
    Originally posted by AZAlex
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

    Nice list, thanks for compiling.

    Some great games on those lists.  Some may not have been the most amazing things ever, but a lot of the games on the list are quality products that at least tried a hand at innovating.

    SWTOR's dialog system.

    TERA's combat

    Planetside 2 (simply amazing)

    Defiance (great game)

    GW2 (best MMORPG to come out in many years)

    It's also not just the fact that EQN got best in show, it's what was said to go along with it, along with the design philosophy and tiny leaks about EQN that also speak a lot for the game.

    EQN is going to be great.  Besides, if you don't like EQN, they're are tons of other really awesome sandbox MMORPGs on the market to enjoy.

    Oh wait. lol.

    Each game had some innovative features but in the end they all turned out to have glaring issues that ruined the games for most people. The developers for EQN didn't say anything more than "we are doing something completely different" and other statements to hype the game. How many times have we heard that before. Let's see... ah yes! All of them on that list. They barely did anything new besides 1 or 2 features. They all basically consisted of the same linear progression and a lot of unfulfilled promises.

     

    Instead of getting my hopes up, I'm going to wait for this "ground breaking" information, and then decide for myself if it is really that "ground breaking". SOE is good about trying out new ideas and features, but I can't say that I enjoyed that many of their games. SWG was probably the only game I really enjoyed until they had to go and ruin it. Like I said though, no one can tell now what EQN will become. I hope it turns out to be a great game, but I've lost the optimism I once had when it comes to new mmos.

  • PrenhoPrenho AracajuPosts: 298Member

    I hope to see 2 things:

     

    - Open world pvp, of course a pk system, if a player kills a neutral player(who is not at war with the first player) and this player doesn't fight back before dying, that player will become pk and can drop items if a pk hunter kills him.

     

    - REAL GUILD wars, Guilds are free to make their own enemies, and fight over territories, politics, world resources, etc...

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,900Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    HOw many get best of show without showing a single thing to the public? Not to mention can not be talked about...

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  • Gallus85Gallus85 Winter Park, FLPosts: 1,092Member
    Originally posted by wsmar
    Originally posted by Gallus85
    Originally posted by AZAlex
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

    Nice list, thanks for compiling.

    Some great games on those lists.  Some may not have been the most amazing things ever, but a lot of the games on the list are quality products that at least tried a hand at innovating.

    SWTOR's dialog system.

    TERA's combat

    Planetside 2 (simply amazing)

    Defiance (great game)

    GW2 (best MMORPG to come out in many years)

    It's also not just the fact that EQN got best in show, it's what was said to go along with it, along with the design philosophy and tiny leaks about EQN that also speak a lot for the game.

    EQN is going to be great.  Besides, if you don't like EQN, they're are tons of other really awesome sandbox MMORPGs on the market to enjoy.

    Oh wait. lol.

    Each game had some innovative features but in the end they all turned out to have glaring issues that ruined the games for most people. The developers for EQN didn't say anything more than "we are doing something completely different" and other statements to hype the game. How many times have we heard that before. Let's see... ah yes! All of them on that list. They barely did anything new besides 1 or 2 features. They all basically consisted of the same linear progression and a lot of unfulfilled promises.

     

    Instead of getting my hopes up, I'm going to wait for this "ground breaking" information, and then decide for myself if it is really that "ground breaking". SOE is good about trying out new ideas and features, but I can't say that I enjoyed that many of their games. SWG was probably the only game I really enjoyed until they had to go and ruin it. Like I said though, no one can tell now what EQN will become. I hope it turns out to be a great game, but I've lost the optimism I once had when it comes to new mmos.

    "Most people" is a bit of an emotional stretch.

    Maybe you just have a hard time liking a game for what it has, and instead dwell on what you want it to have.

    Personally, I think lots/most all of games on the list were actually great games.  Planetside 2 is one of the best games I've ever played, actually, in all my 20+ or so years of gaming.

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  • tkoreapertkoreaper Castroville, TXPosts: 401Member

    Game of show is just that... Game of the SHOW. Doesn't mean it's absolutely spectacular... You have to see what it's competition was. They simply won't not give out the reward if they feel nothing is worth it... They literally pick the best of the show. So keep that in mind.

    In spite of what I just said I feel EQN will be great, but how much? We'll just have to see. Nothing will ever be perfect, but so long as it's enjoyable who cares?

  • dandurindandurin Santa Clara, CAPosts: 493Member

    FWIW, EQN didn't just win Best in Show, it was labeled "head and shoulders" above the competition and "hands down" the best game. 

     

    It better at least show me something ArcheAge doesn't have, or these sites will lose all credibility in my eyes.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

     

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.


     

    to be fair, we don't even know what they saw at E3, it could have been fully playable for all we know.

     

    Also to be fair I can't think of another MMO that was awarded best in show when the development was supposed to be in a black box.  I don't know abut anyone else but having 2 prestigious MMO sites award best in show without any public information speaks volumes to what they were shown at E3.  Now It could be a train wreck which I doubt and it might even be a game that isn't suited to me but getting those awards in the way they did is rather inspiring and offers me a hopeful forecast come August 2nd.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dandurin

    FWIW, EQN didn't just win Best in Show, it was labeled "head and shoulders" above the competition and "hands down" the best game. 

     

    It better at least show me something ArcheAge doesn't have, or these sites will lose all credibility in my eyes.

    While i might not agree with your estimation of Archage, i do think however that your initial premise is correct, unless EQN shows us all something truly spectacular, or worse, just another mediocre nickle and dimer, then a number of reputations will be blackened beyond repair. At the moment things arent looking too good, so here is hoping that august will arrive and dispel fears about the game and what it entails, which will take some doing.  image

  • MargulisMargulis Glendale, AZPosts: 1,614Member
    People can downplay and try to say it doesn't matter all they want, the reality is never have 2 sites as big in name as mmorpg.com and tentonhammer done something like they did with the E3 awards.  And if you honestly believe that means absolutely nothing and they would be that willing to trash their reputations you're seriously deluded, in denial, or determined to just be negative on the game no matter what.  And I would have more doubt or understanding if it was mmorpg and that's it (which I believe has the worse reputation of the 2), but it wasn't just this site.
  • DullahanDullahan Posts: 2,053Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by sanshi44
    Originally posted by AZAlex
    Originally posted by Grailer
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    What games got "Best of Show" and were crap ?

     

     

    Not saying all of these are crap; YMMV. This is for anyone wondering about previous years

     

    mmorpg.com:

    2012: Planetside 2

    2011: Defiance

    2010: (Guild Wars 2) Not sure on this one

    2009: Global Agenda

    ---

    2005: Hero's Journey

     

    TTH:

    2012: Neverwinter

    2011: TERA

    2010: Lego Universe

    2009: SWTOR

     

     Ones in red are probaly the best games othat was released those years imo all the one in white i can be sure because i havant played it. Although havant played SWTOR but judging from what ive heared it didnt realy do to well but could be wrong.

    Those games were the best, or among the best released in those years.  Didn't care for any of them, but I can't think of anything I thought deserved it more.

    Also, seldom do media outlets agree upon a single game shown publicly as the best in show.  EQ Next has gotten a lot of hype from those who've seen it, and was awarded best in show twice while shown privately.  

    Any way you slice it, thats a good sign.


  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

    None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

    HOw many get best of show without showing a single thing to the public? Not to mention can not be talked about...

    How can they get Best of Show if they can't be talked about?

    How did the game play?

    "Um...can't tell you."

    How big was the game?

    Um...can't tell you."

    Did you play the game or a carefully monitored demo?

    "Um...can't tell you."

    WHY did it get "Best of Show"?

    "Um...can't tell you.But it's really good! Now excuse me, I need to deposit this check...".

     

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