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[General Article] Firefall: Review in Progress #1

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,610MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Now that we've had some time to get down and dirty in Red 5's Firefall, it's time to start our Review in Progress series. We kick it off today with our first thoughts about the MMOFPS. See what we've discovered in our time in-game and then tell us about your own experiences in the comments.

Now then... where to begin? Let me put it this way: Firefall’s the kind of game that doesn’t hold your hand, and it requires a good bit of self-experimentation. Red 5’s crafted some tutorial videos, and there’s a decent very basic introduction to the game and how it works after you create your character, but by and large you’ll only get as much out of Firefall as you put into the game. For some, this will be a glorious callback to the days of MMOs' youth.  For others this little facet will likely drive them away. But if you put forth the effort to research crafting, how the Battleframe progression works, how events and Chosen invasions affect the world, you’ll likely be pleasantly surprised by what you find in this futuristic version of Brazil.

Read more of Bill Murphy's Firefall Review In Progress #1.

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That Chosen sign? Yeah, not a good thing.

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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,537Member Uncommon

    I still launch Fire fall every once in a while, and the game still feels very disjointed. I just can't seem to get into it, I will still keep trying. There doesn't seem to be a real compelling reason to play for me, and the gameplay itself is still uninspiring to me.

    I hope to see it all changes one day, so I'll keep trying.

  • Saxx0nSaxx0n PR/Brand Manager BitBox Ltd. Hell, CAPosts: 817Member Uncommon

    Honestly I was shocked at the overall quality of the game. I agree gameplay is as deep as you want to take it and follows old school principles.

    In certain ways this title reminds me of Tabula Rasa and yes I still have my dogtags.

     

    Don't listen to the negative nancys on this one and go try it out.

     

    If you suffer from the insideous quest hub disease you will struggle and this will tell you that you are no where near an old school gamer. Old school gamers will slide right in and be lost for hours with the dynamic gameplay.

     

    Red5 has a gem in the rough and expanding on the open world and dynamic events will keep it fresh. Also I am awaiting open world pvp and believe it will enhance the Eve feeling you get.

     

    Time will tell and I hope they ratchet up world expansion and pvp/events to keep interest up.

     
     
     
  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,747Member Uncommon
    Eh Im worn out after the tutorial.....It was too long and threw too much at the user....By the time it was over I logged out and didnt feel like playing......Also why is the character so far to the left in third person view?...I didnt really fool with it alot but taht felt extremely wierd....
  • VoreDockVoreDock port richey, FLPosts: 129Member
    I agree the learning curve is high and once in game i find myself lost in it for many hours   ( lost as in where did the day go ) the gameplay is top notch , but I can't find a compelling reason to keep logging in . It's like the game has little goal shere building out your battleframe is super sweet but where is this all going the story is good very good but their's a disconnect someplace it's just very hard to nail down what is wrong still the game is AAA  and i know RED5  will fix it in time on RED5's forums this is a common comment. So it comes down to gameplay and the gameplay is Very Fun , Try it for yourself .
     
  • scaryboosterscarybooster lincoln, NEPosts: 18Member

    If you look at the world map it does seem small even without the melding, but there's more. The game has 4 zones, 3 of them you have to unlock through questing and crafting. It takes a lot of work, but it can be done fairly quickly if you know what your doing. 

    1. You need to do ARES or other missions to get POI tokens. You'll need 50 for each area you want to unlock. You take these tokens and contribute to that area like Copa, Trans Dump, or Sunken. Then you buy a relay from the quartermaster. Then you craft. Here is the mats for just Copa

     

    Mid-Pacific SIN Relay

    Chosen Di-Qubit Localizer (from Echoes from Sertao quest)

    4,000 Radine

    4,000 Copper

    4,000 Silicate

    4,000 Xenografts

     

    Yup, it takes awhile, but when you get there it's worth it. This game is bigger than just the beginner map.  If you have any questions you can contact me in game as Scarybooster. I'll be happy to answer anybody's questions. I've been playing for over a year in alpha and beta.  

  • IndolIndol O''Fallon, MOPosts: 189Member

    This is flat out one of the best games i've ever played. I haven't been this addicted to a game in years.

    I'm glad it doesn't hold your hand, it makes it much more involving than the auto-pilot MMO's of the modern era where you don't actually have to think about what you're doing.

    This is not a game that simply plays itself. Enjoy =D

  • r3dl4ncer3dl4nce ...Posts: 114Member Common

    I tried the game in one of the beta weekends. I could not stay in game for more than half an hour, I could not understand what to do. After the release of Open Beta I decided to try this again, minute after minute in game, hour after hour, I have learnt the game, the need for thumping, the battleframe progression, the ARES missions... And I am still only a novice in game, still playing the basic battleframes with stock / tier1 gear only to get pilot points to unlock an advanced battleframe. But the game is very nice, interesting, there are a lot of things to do always different (even if ARES mission are usually often the same, can be in a cave, or a in a building, or in a research facility, and the chosen invasion are nice and challenging).

    I think I'll stick with Firefall as my main game paired with Defiance, I love shooters MMO with third person view :)

  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,407Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Theocritus
    Eh Im worn out after the tutorial.....It was too long and threw too much at the user....By the time it was over I logged out and didnt feel like playing......Also why is the character so far to the left in third person view?...I didnt really fool with it alot but taht felt extremely wierd....

    i would blame your fellow game peers on that -there was a main hub hub complain that there wasnt enough explanation and they wanted to be hand held....

     

    Red5 listens to the community. 110% of the time!

  • snoockysnoocky maarnPosts: 595Member Uncommon

    Terrible game...just terrible, I can't get myself into playing this game...

    It feels like it's still in Alpha state, and the graphics arent my cup of tea..

     

     

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.

    Edgar Allan Poe

  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,407Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Indol

    This is flat out one of the best games i've ever played. I haven't been this addicted to a game in years.

    I'm glad it doesn't hold your hand, it makes it much more involving than the auto-pilot MMO's of the modern era where you don't actually have to think about what you're doing.

    This is not a game that simply plays itself. Enjoy =D

     

    yah its addictive!

    its a pretty intelligent game- no hand holding.
     
     
  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member

    I went back to the game after reading a post about how no one should play it..... I've logged a lot of hours in since and am having a blast doing it. Iv'e been playing with friends who have never played an open world non-linear game before and it took a long time for them to get used to not being told what to do.

    The ones that stayed are very hooked. They always seem very excited about all the things they need to get done and it's funny listening to them go on and on about what they're doing....considering they came from " this game has nothing to do "

    The game does lack long term content but it's not like red 5 has stopped working on more. If I have to I'll take another break but it's a game I'm sure I'll be coming back to for years.

  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,407Member Uncommon

    Well Bill was waiting for this review ... well written.

    I like the fact you emphasize your not gonna get hand held in the game.Its what you make of it.


    For me, Ive been enjoying the game for a while. I think the limited content
    makes the game feel like beta, but they are going 'full on' with their benchmark timeline
    meeting their goals phasing out the word beta eventually out of the game.


    for me it feels alot more finished than nameless mmos out there- and you can play the game
    completely FREE,you just need to spend time and skill to sink deeper into the game.

     this is alot better than having a season pass sold to you-awaiting nfor new content.

    Red5 reminds me alot like CCP 4 -5 years ago- and the game feels intelligently developed. by pationate people about their game. richly developed.

    Im looking forward to experience what Red5 has in store for new eden!

     
  • rlsquared2rlsquared2 Weston, FLPosts: 17Member Uncommon
    Yah, Reminds me of Tabula Rasa a lot. Just more freedom with what you can do. I'm really curious about the open PvP that would really make me play more problably.

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  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    It's a good game, but I feel like a lot of money was wasted that could have been put straight into the game to maybe fix that feeling of disconnect. Like, I play but after a while there is almost little reason to keep playing. It just feels like there needs to be something added that makes you want to continue playing because spamming ARES gets old fast...

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  • TimassinTimassin Halifax, NSPosts: 14Member
    @ scarybooster omg are you serious? I just started playing this game last weekend I had no idea you could open up new locations. I bought the 20.00 pack and unlocked mammoth and reculse they are super fun. Ill need to research how to open up these new places though now :D
  • SidQFTSidQFT Kent, WAPosts: 80Member Uncommon
    i log in once-in-awhile.... waiting to see how the open world pvp will be.  it will be make or break for me!
  • MumboJumboMumboJumbo LondonPosts: 3,221Member
    Originally posted by SidQFT
    i log in once-in-awhile.... waiting to see how the open world pvp will be.  it will be make or break for me!

    QFT.

  • DakirnDakirn Kansas City, MOPosts: 374Member Uncommon

    Bill, if you're looking for things to spend money on you could buy multiple $20 packs and unlock frames with the pilot tokens that come with them, or get the $100 pack and get 100 pilot tokens (enough to unlock all the advanced frames).

     

    You can also use your Commander Red Beans to open each suit individually, obviously.

     

    Hopefully more things to buy with Red Beans are coming.. they just added the Copa Arcportal to the Red Beans store and an LGV is coming with the next patch (because people didn't want to buy the $100 pack to get them).

  • wowcloneswowclones Los Angeles, CAPosts: 127Member
    I need deep player character customization, housing, structure building, sieging, deep PVE,  etc, this game is unreal tournament on steroids. not a bad thing for people who like that, just not my cup of tea, never felt like my character lived in the world.
  • coomscooms phoenix, AZPosts: 219Member

    It is lacking so much player content. They talked all this crap about wasted space when the entire map is wasted. You think using the hammer and getting resources from a thumper over and over is fun and engaging Red5? I have never wanted more things to do besides calling down thumpers and chasing crashed ones in my entire life. Not to mention they are boring as sin. 3 giant roaches that all die instantly in several waves "threaten" your thumper and then you send it back once full. The quests seemed abnormally few and difficult. Monsters in the quest area are on constant respawn and if there isnt others around it can be difficult even in the beginner zones. 

    There are no goals in the game besides  leveling up your warframes and it feels like you never get new gear.

    Maybe if you love fpsmmo pvp this game could be for you if nothing else has done it. Other than that it lacks direction and it made me feel like I was a chump not some warframe using badass. No cool fun events or moments when I was on and I never even got to fight a big boss of any kind. 

     
  • KaosLegionKaosLegion BrisPosts: 64Member

    I'm really enjoying this again. I'm hoping with the mechanics and systems locked in now the content will come much quicker.

    i used to really dislike the grind component of the game but with the rewards/loot/marketplace (AH) it's actually not too bad now.

    As for black water anomaly as far as I'm aware only one person in the group needs the key to access it?

  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,659Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cooms

    It is lacking so much player content. They talked all this crap about wasted space when the entire map is wasted. You think using the hammer and getting resources from a thumper over and over is fun and engaging Red5? I have never wanted more things to do besides calling down thumpers and chasing crashed ones in my entire life. Not to mention they are boring as sin. 3 giant roaches that all die instantly in several waves "threaten" your thumper and then you send it back once full. The quests seemed abnormally few and difficult. Monsters in the quest area are on constant respawn and if there isnt others around it can be difficult even in the beginner zones. 

    There are no goals in the game besides  leveling up your warframes and it feels like you never get new gear.

    Maybe if you love fpsmmo pvp this game could be for you if nothing else has done it. Other than that it lacks direction and it made me feel like I was a chump not some warframe using badass. No cool fun events or moments when I was on and I never even got to fight a big boss of any kind. 

     

    Poor guy must have never used anything besides a Stock Personal Thumper. Try switching even to just a rank 1 Personal Thumper and get owned by Terrorclaw and the 30 or so other mobs that come at the same time as him then rage about losing your thumper in a matter of seconds if youre not careful.

    I find it kind of funny thought hat youre complaining about ho boring thumping is because of just a few weak enemies, then 2 sentences later are complaining that missions are too hard. Stock thumpers are ridiculously easy and boring, yes. Missions are only hard if youre playing a bad warframe for that type of mission (can make a big difference depending on objectives & type of terrain) and suck at playing that type of warframe or fighting certain types of enemies.

    As far as no big bosses, sure the game isnt loaded full of dungeons with massive bosses or something, but have you ever even tried taking on a chosen incursion with just 3 or 4 people in low tier gear? Its more about large waves of a lot of enemies rather than a focus on super powerful bosses. Neither is inherently better than the other. Although, boss fights in the majority of games tend to be nothing more than a tank & spank snooze fest. BTW, I take it youve never faced Baneclaw either.

  • scaryboosterscarybooster lincoln, NEPosts: 18Member
    Exactly what Kaiser said! A Stock Thumper is a joke to get you to learn what to do. Even 3 people doing a Personal Thumper 1 is crazy. Try a 2 or 3 it's insane. This game is a sandbox game, you have to find the gems.

    The problem is the game is still in development and Red 5 has even said this Open Beta is not a PR stunt, it is a BETA. They are working hard to streamline stuff, but right now their main goal Is to stabilize servers and work on bugs. The initial game seems small, but there is a huge world out there that player that only play it for a day, week, or month miss. Have any of the people that claim the game is boring actually been to the other 3 zones you cannot see on you New Eden map? Have they been to Blackwater Anomaly? Have they crafted a motorcycle? If yes then that's the guy to actually listen to.

  • RazeeksterRazeekster Solon, MEPosts: 2,201Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by scarybooster
    Exactly what Kaiser said! A Stock Thumper is a joke to get you to learn what to do. Even 3 people doing a Personal Thumper 1 is crazy. Try a 2 or 3 it's insane. This game is a sandbox game, you have to find the gems.

    The problem is the game is still in development and Red 5 has even said this Open Beta is not a PR stunt, it is a BETA. They are working hard to streamline stuff, but right now their main goal Is to stabilize servers and work on bugs. The initial game seems small, but there is a huge world out there that player that only play it for a day, week, or month miss. Have any of the people that claim the game is boring actually been to the other 3 zones you cannot see on you New Eden map? Have they been to Blackwater Anomaly? Have they crafted a motorcycle? If yes then that's the guy to actually listen to.


     

    All there is, is crafting and barely any PvE gameplay. The other option is PvP but you need to spam the thumpers to get good gear for PvP... It gets boring fast to do the same thing over and over.

    Smile

  • DakirnDakirn Kansas City, MOPosts: 374Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razeekster
    Originally posted by scarybooster
    Exactly what Kaiser said! A Stock Thumper is a joke to get you to learn what to do. Even 3 people doing a Personal Thumper 1 is crazy. Try a 2 or 3 it's insane. This game is a sandbox game, you have to find the gems.

    The problem is the game is still in development and Red 5 has even said this Open Beta is not a PR stunt, it is a BETA. They are working hard to streamline stuff, but right now their main goal Is to stabilize servers and work on bugs. The initial game seems small, but there is a huge world out there that player that only play it for a day, week, or month miss. Have any of the people that claim the game is boring actually been to the other 3 zones you cannot see on you New Eden map? Have they been to Blackwater Anomaly? Have they crafted a motorcycle? If yes then that's the guy to actually listen to.


     

    All there is, is crafting and barely any PvE gameplay. The other option is PvP but you need to spam the thumpers to get good gear for PvP... It gets boring fast to do the same thing over and over.

     

    First, PvP uses stock set gear. Your "grinding and crafting" of gear in PvE has no bearing on the current PvP in the game (OWPvP will use crafted gear).  PvP games give XP, resources and components for crafting and some people don't PvE at ALL and are able to advance and open frames for PvP.

     

    Thumpers are the content? I haven't thumped for months. ARES/Chosen keep me busy. I get all the resources/rewards I need and no need to thump, ever.

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