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Religious and LGBT Guilds, Yay or Nay?
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Because if we don't we end up in a guild where they just talk shit about us not even knowing where in the same guild. Have you even thought about that!
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I don't care.
If someone is in vent and mentions that he is going to see his boyfriend or "she" is going to see her girlfriend or if someone mentions that they can't raid late because they have Church in the morning I expect that a "themed" guild that represents their lifestyle might be fitting.
If people want to get together and not feel stress because they don't need to hide their life or keep it under wraps then more power to them.
guilds are supposed to be about like minded people who can talk and be themselves. If someone says they need to attend a bat mitvah and that they are a little excited because it reminds them of their bat mitvah I expect they won't want to be grilled by anti-religion folks.
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It must be nice to join in any guild you want? Well try and be different In a so called normal guild and have them call everything gay or faggot every other sentence and see how fast you look for other people of your kind! Nice living in your word I bet:(
>To you and the other guy who said something similar, are you afraid of who you are? is it so hard to say "please, im (insert group) and what you are saying offends me, i would apreciate if you stop talking like that"
IF the guild responds in a bad way....well, it wasnt a good guild to begin with.
Really that's your answer? So I'm afraid of who I am and have to listen to these post once again. I have been listening to this stuff since I was in third grade and I am afraid of who I am nice way to sum us up.
The problem with politicizing your agendas is you subsequently lose any sense of humor.
It gets tiresome as hell, tippy-toeing around the eggshells that people insist on strewing in every path.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Then why dont you tell people who you are and that you arent comfortable with them talking like that, its better than listening to them. Make it clear to them, stop listening in silence(thats the kind of thing your post seems to say you are doing).
I think the OP's Topic is Troll Bait! There was no agenda on anybody's part other then his or hers. There are different kinds of guides out there and that is all there is to it:)
Then find new material to make jokes from?
Seriously there are a plethora of jokes for people that are not white/male/heterosexual. So that would be a great place to start (WMH) one could start testing their humor to see if it broke any eggshells.
Thus, to is why there are these types of guilds. The WMHs don't have to worry about (those that even think about it that is) stepping on eggshells and those in the possibly offended groups don't have to listen to their crap.
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That seems to be the case. It's why they are usually advertised as "[interest]-friendly".
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We do say something but its in people's nature to act this way. That's why we seek out like minded people and then we have to read topics that we are afraid of who we are and can't voice our selves and if we say something it all goes away. Just leave us alone for god sakes. We have no agenda and just want to game like the rest of you.
I have to agree here. Gamers don't really have a track record for tolerance of other people's views, so that approach would more than likely just make it an uncomfortable environment for more people than just the one who's views are being ridiculed or under fire.
I'm hoping the "are you afraid of who you are" thing was simply a passive aggressive poke, and not just total cluelessness on his/her part.
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While I have not myself been a member of one of these, I can definitely understand why they exist. In a similar vein, I can understand why women-only guilds and groups exist. These groups are often an afterthought in gaming communities, sometimes even something negative. The average gamer is expected to be white, male, straight, and an atheist. Little consideration is given for people who do not fit that bill. Jokes about "fags", about rape are commonplace. It's normal to openly deride religion. Some people get tired of such things and want a refuge from them, especially since they may be playing a video game exactly for that reason - to get away from all the garbage.
One may ask, why not simply make a guild where people are mature and behave. That is really not an easy task at all. I've seen some very strange results when such attempts were made. Who defines where the line is? I've been a guild leader, myself, it's very hard to police people to behave; players can get defensive very quickly if you mention that their remarks are inappropriate, comments about being "PC" and lacking a sense of humor are bound to happen. Nor is there any reason for people you want to come to your guild per se: again, everyone has a different idea of what mature behavior is.
This is a simpler method. Openly mark your guild as LGBT-friendly or Christianity-friendly, all others need not apply, and most of the people you don't want will stay very far away from your guild.
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I join LGBT guilds just so when I am on a raid I don't have to hear the constant streams of "That's gay!" or "faggot" etc.
Also these guilds tend to be more accepting and welcoming of everybody regardless of any other factors.
I like to think I am a very tolerant and welcoming person, at least of everyone except them damn Amish... screw those guys, but hey they don't play MMOs or get on the internet ... so they can F right off.
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While I myself would not join one of these guilds, they are free to group with like minded individuals like everyone else. I mean if they have a topic they want to discuss in vent, mumble, guild chat etc. that is fine. I usually only have problems with individuals that feel the need to lord their personal opinion over others in General chat. Those people that do find their way onto my ignore list.
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