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(POLL): RAIDING- how important is this to you?

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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,523Member Uncommon

    Zero importance for me - don't have the time (nor desire) to raid anymore as I did 13 years ago. 

    The only time I do raid content is when I can multibox it as I do in EQ1.

     

  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common
    Originally posted by ghost047

    What is funny about "Raiders" is, they all says the same thing, raiding is hard, challenging, complex, you need coordination, yes you're right, but only for the 1st couple of time and I'm being generous. You see, every game I have been in, all I see in the guildchat/LFGchat is, know the fight and be gear. How many time I've seen a post in my guild forum, Raid Friday, know the fight, read the strategy and watch videos. Also, there's nothing hard about going the same raid over and over every day for weeks. So all of you Hardcore Raiders, stop trying to fool ppl with your raid is hard when you are the 1st one to make sure you learn everything before going in!!!

    Raiding is probably hard for those on the PTS who are the 1st one to run and make the strategy and strategy video.

    I'm not a "hardcore raider", but as someone that's led a raid guild for couple of years, I gotta tell you, knowing the strat is the easiest part of it.  As you've said, that can be looked up in a video or read about.  It's EXECUTING the strat with different setups, different conditions that is hard.  Doing your class' basic job while reacting to what the mob is doing, coordinating and communicating with 20 others, THAT is where the challenge is for me, at least in EQ2 - where i do most of my raiding.

     

    And if you don't think that raiding is the most difficult part of a PvE MMO, what would you consider the most difficult part?  (I suppose it may vary from MMO to MMO, but pick any one you like and use it as an example, i've played most except WoW).

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  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon

    I voted 10.

    I do not need instanced raids like e.g. those in WoW, but I definitely want OW raid boss encounters to be present in the game.

    Why?

    I do like deep crafting, building of cities and castles, interesting professions, longterm vertical progression, etc. But for me, this all is building towards something. This something is represented by PvP and by challenging open world raid boss encounters where you can match your power, which you have been increasing for years by levelling / skilling up / gearing up your character, with that of the boss.

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  • WaterlilyWaterlily parisPosts: 2,973Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ghost047

    Raiding is probably hard for those on the PTS who are the 1st one to run and make the strategy and strategy video.

    Try and find me a strategy video of an EQ raid.

    You'll come up with nothing.

    Posting raiding strategies or video is something I hope the community does not participate in, but since Youtube gives out money to people, I'm sure there will be an idiot posting them.

  • AntiquatedAntiquated Oak Brook, MIPosts: 673Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Try and find me a strategy video of an EQ raid.

    You'll come up with nothing.

    Posting raiding strategies or video is something I hope the community does not participate in, but since Youtube gives out money to people, I'm sure there will be an idiot posting them.

    So you first note no videos exist, and then go on to posit that videos are inevitable?

    Which is it?

  • donpopukidonpopuki Dearborn, MIPosts: 591Member
    I voted a 4. Raids should be in the game but development shouldn't be wholly concentrated on raids. Too often games cater to end game raiders too much and forget not everyone has the time to be raiding 5 days a week.
  • WaterlilyWaterlily parisPosts: 2,973Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Antiquated
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Try and find me a strategy video of an EQ raid.

    You'll come up with nothing.

    Posting raiding strategies or video is something I hope the community does not participate in, but since Youtube gives out money to people, I'm sure there will be an idiot posting them.

    So you first note no videos exist, and then go on to posit that videos are inevitable?

    Which is it?

    My message was pretty clear I thought, not sure why you're confused by it.

    Of EQ no real raid videos detailing strategy exist, and there is an unspoken rule of not releasing strategies when raids are current.

    But when a new MMO comes out it is now inevitable that a Youtube idiot will ignore these rules. Both the demographics of new MMO and their attitude to releasing info on current content has changed. The fact Youtube pays many people for their video is even more incetive for someone to try it.

  • GreezGreez Wickie Watchie, FLPosts: 103Member
    I have never raided, but that didn't impede my enjoyment of any given MMO, so voted 0.
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Of EQ no real raid videos detailing strategy exist, and there is an unspoken rule of not releasing strategies when raids are current.

    That's interesting. What's worse, though, is that in modern MMO's you're expected to already know the dungeon/raid inside out before you do it. Kills all the exploration, IMO.

  • WaterlilyWaterlily parisPosts: 2,973Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Greez
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Of EQ no real raid videos detailing strategy exist, and there is an unspoken rule of not releasing strategies when raids are current.

    That's interesting. What's worse, though, is that in modern MMO's you're expected to already know the dungeon/raid inside out before you do it. Kills all the exploration, IMO.

    Yep, one of the fun parts is discovery and helping others discover alongside you.

    Mystery is part of the game.

  • isslingissling San Francisco, CAPosts: 156Member Uncommon

    Why can't they put these raid things as something that is truly hard and takes a guild at least a week to prepare for? Not some rotation where they just knock it out three times a week for its loot.

    But on that note I don't raid and it does not effect me so let people raid all they want.

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by issling

    Why can't they put these raid things as something that is truly hard and takes a guild at least a week to prepare for? Not some rotation where they just knock it out three times a week for its loot.

    But on that note I don't raid and it does not effect me so let people raid all they want.

    Because as somebody have pointed out, computers work on algorithms. Not any actual intelligence .everything they do has been programmed. And once somebody figures out how to beat the fight, it goes to the Internet. This is why even single player games that are hard also have online strategies .

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  • isslingissling San Francisco, CAPosts: 156Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by issling

    Why can't they put these raid things as something that is truly hard and takes a guild at least a week to prepare for? Not some rotation where they just knock it out three times a week for its loot.

    But on that note I don't raid and it does not effect me so let people raid all they want.

    Because as somebody have pointed out, computers work on algorithms. Not any actual intelligence .everything they do has been programmed. And once somebody figures out how to beat the fight, it goes to the Internet. This is why even single player games that are hard also have online strategies .

    Then there needs to be some signal the server sends to the dev team that a group is near a world Boss, then the devs take control of the boss and use it as a player char and have complete control over said Boss:)

  • nate1980nate1980 Evans, GAPosts: 1,829Member

    I rated it a 3. 

    I really enjoy playing with groups, but due to my lifestyle, small groups are much easier to manage into my schedule. Raids can be fun, especially when there's story introduced in them, but they require way too much preparation and people to pull off in a reasonable amount of time. Not to mention raiding usually requires you to be at your computer x amount of times per week at y times. 

  • PanteraRosaPanteraRosa Pueblo, COPosts: 34Member Uncommon
    i vote 10 because raids are a blast and it brings out the best players
  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Phoenix, AZPosts: 823Member Uncommon
    MMO's by definition are group games. Raids being and integral part. The question always boils down to what constitutes a raid. IMO, any content that requires more then 8 players. Yes, it a forced activity, it's a game mechanic. Why do I say 8 people min? Looks at games with lesser grouping content are the considered MMO's and are the truly popular ? In todays F2P environment makes this a murky claim. I still contend that without F2P most would be closed or teetering. S raiding is an extremely important part of MMO's, otherwise you should be hanging out in chat rooms and playing single player games.

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  • SacriaSacria naPosts: 53Member

    mmorpg Games with no raiding content typically grows boring in less than a week so it's a 10 for me.

    I would love it if anyone here could point me to any moderately successfull mmorpg games without raid content 

  • isslingissling San Francisco, CAPosts: 156Member Uncommon
    The voting is misleading I voted low because I really don't care for raiding. But I do think it is very important to have in the game for people that want it:)
  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Sacria
    mmorpg Games with no raiding content typically grows boring in less than a week so it's a 10 for me.I would love it if anyone here could point me to any moderately successfull mmorpg games without raid content 

    GW2?

  • Shadowguy64Shadowguy64 Rohnert Park, CAPosts: 848Member
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by Sacria
    mmorpg Games with no raiding content typically grows boring in less than a week so it's a 10 for me.

     

    I would love it if anyone here could point me to any moderately successfull mmorpg games without raid content 


     

    GW2?

     

    Yes, GW2 is a good example of a game that grew boring very quickly. Not 1 week tho. More like 4-6.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,204Member Uncommon
    I would rather the game not have raiding define character progression, so no raids.  The game is supposed to be sandbox-style.  Nothing screams linear directed themepark than progression raiding.  It basically outlines how every character on the server is supposed to progress.  That's themepark, not sandbox.  Having powerful mobs or boss mobs doesn't equal progression raiding either.
  • djazzydjazzy louisville, COPosts: 3,578Member

    depends on what type of game it is (and the raiding I suppose)

    if it is indeed a sandbox game, then raiding is of no importance

    if it is a theme park, then I suppose it has more importance (not to me personally) for most folks

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Shadowguy64
    Originally posted by baphamet   Originally posted by Sacria mmorpg Games with no raiding content typically grows boring in less than a week so it's a 10 for me.   I would love it if anyone here could point me to any moderately successfull mmorpg games without raid content 
      GW2?
     

    Yes, GW2 is a good example of a game that grew boring very quickly. Not 1 week tho. More like 4-6.


    true, i was just answering the guys question though.

  • GreezGreez Wickie Watchie, FLPosts: 103Member
    Originally posted by AG-Vuk
    S raiding is an extremely important part of MMO's, otherwise you should be hanging out in chat rooms and playing single player games.

    This makes absolutely no sense. Raiding is fundamentally not an MMO experience - raids occur in instances, which means you are not in contact with most of the server's population. A 10 player, 20 player, even 40 player game is not massive. If anything, YOU raiders should be hanging out in browser games where raiding is all you do all day.

    The rest of us, who actually enjoy MMOs for what they are, want to live in a world full of players, hundreds and thousands of players, working together, interacting, exploring, trading.

    Originally posted by Sacria

    mmorpg Games with no raiding content typically grows boring in less than a week so it's a 10 for me.

    I would love it if anyone here could point me to any moderately successfull mmorpg games without raid content 

    EVE?

  • furbansfurbans Tinbucktwo, IAPosts: 965Member

    I put down 6, sorta the in-between crowd.

    Raids at times are hella fun IF it does not require one's life to evolve around it or go through extremes were one has to schedule their work and social life around a rigid raid schedule or how one has to raid 3-5 times a week religeously.

    What I loathe and despise though is how typically it's raid or GTFO for meaningful PvE content where there is absolutely Jack n shit n Jack left town for quality content to do outside of raiding.

    DDO I thought was a very sound and ideal PvE balance of content.  One can grind some quests for epic items that are comparable and even exceeds raid gear, and even with raids they were easily pugable and a one nite event but you have a number of raids to choose from unlike the vast majority of MMOs where it's only the current tier raid as prior versions were obsolete gear.  DDO was a game where I can log onto the night do a raid or two at my leisure and not have to join raid guilds with the stringent rules to see content.

  • SmeekleSmeekle Ras, NCPosts: 14Member
    Originally posted by Greez
    Originally posted by AG-Vuk
    S raiding is an extremely important part of MMO's, otherwise you should be hanging out in chat rooms and playing single player games.

    This makes absolutely no sense. Raiding is fundamentally not an MMO experience - raids occur in instances, which means you are not in contact with most of the server's population. A 10 player, 20 player, even 40 player game is not massive. If anything, YOU raiders should be hanging out in browser games where raiding is all you do all day.

    The rest of us, who actually enjoy MMOs for what they are, want to live in a world full of players, hundreds and thousands of players, working together, interacting, exploring, trading.

    Originally posted by Sacria

    mmorpg Games with no raiding content typically grows boring in less than a week so it's a 10 for me.

    I would love it if anyone here could point me to any moderately successfull mmorpg games without raid content 

    EVE?

    EQ had no instances.  Guilds competed for raid targets or had an agreed rotation.  Raiders were very much playing with the rest of the server.  Zones like Kael where groups would Xp accommodated group play and raid targets simultaneously.

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