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Sigh. Just another poster who doesn't get the fact that if the game does not supply what you want, then you don't play it. There are plenty of games that will happily give you exactly what you want.
The truth is that there is a market for a game that is NOT raid or PvP centric. Hell, a lot of people prefer it.
No one cares. Bye.
No lag for me, even in Bree and I can't remember the last time I saw a major bug. So more BS from a troll i'd say.
This forum is becoming more and more irellevent when deciding which mmorpg to play. Don't listen to the posters on here, including me, just go play the game and make your own minds up.
This game is still a fantastic MMO out there. It does not have everything for everyone, but everyone can find something to enjoy if they look for it. The good thing about this world we live in, is that there are dozens of quality MMO's out there. If LOTRO isn't your cup of tea....something else will be
OP, the sooner you realise that pvp is a sub genre in the game, the happier you will be.
The game has never been based around pvp, raids etc
It's main focus is pve, crafting and an a great community.
If your hoping for a rush to max level and sit in the city all day kind of game, go elsewhere
I totally agree. SoA was the best and it has been trending downwards ever since. Turbine has milked the IP to death and we should have been to Mordor by now. The game may very well die before that happens. The glff channel has gone from 400 people to around 70 now (on a good night) and all three of the kins I belong to are dead. Server merge anyone?
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I find that I have to take a break from time to time. This game holds a special place in my heart though. The older I get the more the rp means something and that really gives gameplay a shot in the arm. Not heavy rp, but things like concerts, Weatherstock, horse races, caravans, trading faires, etc. A kinship you can make friends in is important too. Grind, well isnt that old school? And isnt old School what so many are whining for?
And its really a beautiful game to be immersed in!
One problem is money. There are lifers that are playing for free now. You might argue they are even being paid to play with cash shop stipends. Selling lifetime memberships only makes sense if you plan for the game to die after 2-3 years. After a couple of years those lifers become losses on the balance sheet unless you can bombard them with cash shop ads and get them to spend $$$.
Another problem is they pulled the f2p trigger too fast. There wasn't any need for it at the time other than to get a ton of money coming in fast and inflate the login numbers. Now would have been a better time for f2p. The game is very top heavy. Most servers are dead, the few that are still active have high level toons running around newb areas grinding points, or stick to their own isolated cliques. F2p now would have brought new life into this, but since they already did it there really isn't much more to do other than try another expansion, that people will complain about a month after release, followed by even more 'this game is dead' write ups everywhere.
I just resubbed because I still enjoy the game and it's a lot of fun if you aren't into PvP, rushing to max, and don't mind playing solo most of the time. Plus the world graphics aren't that bad. Was nice yesterday watching a sunset, rainbows, a passing thunderstorm, and hanging out in Bree listening to some user made music. I feel like this is the last hurrah for Lotro so I'll enjoy it for a while before it goes Vanguard, just my opinion.
Whoah now guys, let's not get crazy.
A once average game, destroyed. The only time this game was great was in alpha when it was a sandbox called Middle Earth Online. Everything added since then has made the game perpetually worse.
I agree that Turbine has not done a great job with a lot of the game (though there are things they have done very well) but I really disagree that we should have been to mordor by now. What's the rush?
Once we "get to mordor" the game world is essentially "over' and they have to start fabricating even more things that will even be worse than what they have already fabricated.
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Whereas I did love Moria.. I have to agree with you that LOTRO was best played before the Moria expansion. I felt I was in Middle Earth. Then after Moria came the nerfing and f2p. I went back when Isengard came out and left, and then when rohan came out and left. Then I tried again deleting my highest level characters and starting on a new server. And quit again. I doubt if I will go back. The game I loved, the orginal game, is gone now. RIP.
Currently bored with MMO's.
TLDR
1. Or subscribe to the game which unlocks all quests packs and understand this "grind" actually IMPROVES your character via deeds.
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Deeds
2. Game WAS NEVER PvP based, with 12% of characters being CREEPS.
http://lotroaltfinder.net/stats
3. Players come and go in EVERY game, what this game has is dedicated players with a gaming community .
http://lotroaltfinder.net/
http://lux-hdro.de/hdro-live.php
Edit:
Forgot, if a player CHOOSES to "grind" (which IMPROVES characters) TP's they can spend very little if any $ on the game.
I'm all for games providing good solo options for players but there has to be a balance between solo and social activities or the game really has no future.
I mean really how many hours have you spent playing even the best of the best single player games? I probably spent 400 hours or so playing games like Quest of the Avatar or Morrowind compared to many 10's of thousands playing MMO's like EQ2 doing group content like raids and dungeons. Solo content is valuable in a MMO but it can't be the whole MMO.
I just don't see a future for a MMO who's entire content is solo based. Now maybe the OP is overstating just how solo based LOTR Online has become but I have not heard anyone argue that it hasn't shifted significantly that direction.
What is there to argue when quests can be completed as a group or solo?
I still enjoy the game. It's no more or less "grindy" then most other MMOs I've tried. The game world is beautiful still, and the story and side plots are actually pretty good. Many of the NPCs recur and develop at the higher levels. Some aspects are rather exhausting: the constant building, leveling, and reforging legendary items. But I guess the "reforge" mechanic echoes the lore.
For someone playing "free", then yeah... I guess there's a reliance on the cash shop. But... well, isn't that the point? For a subscriber, the games opened up. I chose a lifetime sub when the game launched. I've only paid for expansions since then. The monthly Turbine Points I get adds up quick to let me add bank slots, new mounts, etc.
With all the games currently out and on the horizon, I wouldn't suggest this to anyone though. But any fan of Tolkien or the movies will find enjoyment.
(On a side note - has the term "grindy" lost all of its original meaning now?)
Which was Turbines first mistake. PvP should have played a bigger role in the game. Instaed Monster Players were confined to a small area. The monsters played a key role in the books & movies but were basicly shafted in the game. I have been with LotRO since Alpha for Shadows. I stopped playing a few months ago and with the changes WB/Turbine has made I will not be returning to the game any time soon. I have returned to Rift and I have many Betas I am in so it is no big lose for me.
Having the PvP in the small area they did was actually already a strong stretch of their license. Open world Monster Play/PvP would have been downright breaking it, as much as Middle Earth Enterprises does like them.
It wasn't a ghost town. It went F2P when WB got the company during the fall of Atari. WB was the worst choice as the new owners of Turbine inc. Just like EA shouldnt have gotten Bioware from Atari because TOR is a total disgrace to the genre.
I don't think Atari has anything to do with Turbine or Bioware, EA bought Bioware from Elevation investment group and if I remember correctly, Turbine was an independent company before WB bought them.
Actually "no".
The "monsters" were all seen from the point of view from the main characters. You never saw any of the dark forces making decisions or musing about something or planning unless of course it was seen from and described by the main characters.
the whole set of books is seen from one side only.
this is not to say that a viable monster side couldn't be made and still fit the books but in the end "they lose". That's there "job" so to speak.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo