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Just when you think Microsoft is going in the right direction

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  • mklinicmklinic Pottstown, PAPosts: 1,435Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Raunu
    You're going to have ads regardless, so wouldn't you rather have ads that are tailored towards things that you may be interested in?

    That's a bit of a flawed assumption though. If I don't buy the console, I don't have the extra ads. As someone else said, if they offered an ad-free version of their service at a fee and the ad-laden service for free/reduced price, that'd be less of an issue (but still, for me, an issue).

    I compare it to Netflix which I pay a monthly fee for and I don't see any ads on when I use it. When I load Netflix on my Roku player, which does not have a monthly fee, I see an ad on the right side of the Roku home screen. I'm ok with that since the product and service meet my expectations and do not have a recurring cost. That's my personal threshold and, of course, is subject to change based on circumstances.

    The XB-one doesn't motivate me to change my stance (mileage may vary for others of course). I can already imagine the Kinect detecting my kids in the room and playing another goddamn Pillow Pets commercial. I got rid of cable to reduce the amount of advertisements I, and those around me, have to deal with so XB-one would be a step backwards in that respect.

    As for the camera, I think the point a number of people have raised is not just what MS could accomplish with the Kinect/camera/microphone, but what a malicious entity could accomplish. In an age where we've seen high-profile systems compromised for reasons ranging from political, to financial, to 'just for the lulz', I just doesn't seem like a 'best practice' to broaden your own attack-surface like this (again, opinions will vary).

    Don't get me wrong though, to those that are fine with it, more power to you and I hope the product meets your expectations. While I personally disagree with the direction things are going, my main vehicle to express my discontent is my wallet and self-exclusion from their marketing practices.

    -mklinic

    "There's a point I think we're missing.
    It's in the air we raise our fists in."
    -from Behind Closed Doors by Rise Against

  • Four0SixFour0Six Missoula, MTPosts: 1,181Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gravarg

    This is just proof that the private sector can do ANYTHING better than the government...even spying XD

    You say that like Google didn't have its hands in "Prizm", or what ever the NSA calls the "meta data" program.

  • Four0SixFour0Six Missoula, MTPosts: 1,181Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mklinic
    Originally posted by Raunu
    You're going to have ads regardless, so wouldn't you rather have ads that are tailored towards things that you may be interested in?

    That's a bit of a flawed assumption though. If I don't buy the console, I don't have the extra ads. As someone else said, if they offered an ad-free version of their service at a fee and the ad-laden service for free/reduced price, that'd be less of an issue (but still, for me, an issue).

    I compare it to Netflix which I pay a monthly fee for and I don't see any ads on when I use it. When I load Netflix on my Roku player, which does not have a monthly fee, I see an ad on the right side of the Roku home screen. I'm ok with that since the product and service meet my expectations and do not have a recurring cost. That's my personal threshold and, of course, is subject to change based on circumstances.

    The XB-one doesn't motivate me to change my stance (mileage may vary for others of course). I can already imagine the Kinect detecting my kids in the room and playing another goddamn Pillow Pets commercial. I got rid of cable to reduce the amount of advertisements I, and those around me, have to deal with so XB-one would be a step backwards in that respect.

    As for the camera, I think the point a number of people have raised is not just what MS could accomplish with the Kinect/camera/microphone, but what a malicious entity could accomplish. In an age where we've seen high-profile systems compromised for reasons ranging from political, to financial, to 'just for the lulz', I just doesn't seem like a 'best practice' to broaden your own attack-surface like this (again, opinions will vary).

    Don't get me wrong though, to those that are fine with it, more power to you and I hope the product meets your expectations. While I personally disagree with the direction things are going, my main vehicle to express my discontent is my wallet and self-exclusion from their marketing practices.

    Yay, for capitalism, and the great Libertarian ideal to go away if you don't like it. I am about to hit the wife with an argument to let me build a htpc, drop cable and pay for the htpc with the saving, you have just given me more fodder for the argument. Thanks.

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon

    Your computer is tracked, your phone can be tracked, your credit/debit-card is tracked (and with that goes everything you pay fore with it)

     

    Why in the living world would you care if your X-Box track you. Your privacy was lost many many years ago and it will keep getting more and more lost for every day.

     

    That is the sad reality.

  • ReklawReklaw Am.Posts: 6,476Member Uncommon

    So it's like we have cookies on the internet with our pc, seems kinda the same.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Reklaw
    So it's like we have cookies on the internet with our pc, seems kinda the same.

    Not exactly. You're going to pay Microsoft $500 for a console that is going to feed you ads so that Microsoft can generate additional revenue on top of what they've already collected. With the internet you're the commodity, but at least you get something for free. Microsoft is going to use you as a commodity, and charge you for the experience.

    Of course, the PS4 is going to the have ads too, I'm sure. They weren't dumb enough to draw attention to that fact though.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • DrakynnDrakynn The Pas, MBPosts: 2,030Member
    Originally posted by tawess

    Your computer is tracked, your phone can be tracked, your credit/debit-card is tracked (and with that goes everything you pay fore with it)

     

    Why in the living world would you care if your X-Box track you. Your privacy was lost many many years ago and it will keep getting more and more lost for every day.

     

    That is the sad reality.

    It['s a sad reality because people accept it.

  • whilanwhilan Everett, WAPosts: 3,172Member Uncommon

    Doesn't really make any difference to me now what they do or do not with that system, the camera thing being on in your home and being connected to the internet was enough for me to drop the system.

    I..don't...like...things...watching...me...in..my..home.

    I don't want the wrong thing said at the wrong time, mostly out of frustration to suddenly be taken the wrong way by someone i can't even explain myself to. People nearby can see if you are talking to a game, the Xbox and people watching it can't.

    The ads now using this is just another thing to add the board of reasons not to buy that system.

    Also before anyone brings this up, no I don't have cameras in my home, My computer doesn't have a web-cam, my phone has no camera (can't even take pictures) I don't have an I-phone/smart phone or anything of that type. I'm not about to put one in now.

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

    Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.

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  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member

    "Hey we just watch and listen to your everyday life 24/7 for your own good! I mean, really, you don't want all the rubbish ads, now if we observe your entire life, we can bring you RIGHT the ads YOU would want!" Oh yes, now that you explain it that way, yeah please watch me all the time!

    With that and the NSA spying on everyone, fast forward 50 years and every sense of "privacy" is seen as "mental illness" and perversion.

    "What do you mean, you want to be undisturbed and... alone?!" *gasp* "That is so sick! Being not observed, what kind of sicko ARE you?"

    Trust me, it's only the beginning. And all in the name of progress. I swear, just once I'd like to see evil come with a maniac laughter and admitting it's evil. Just for the change. >.<

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    Originally posted by ThomasN7
    People see ads on their pcs and internet everyday. This isn't an issue unless people want to make it one.

    Ads are one thing...having a camera connected to the internet which is on the whole time possibly collecting metadata on me? yeah no thanks.

     

    There's a difference between going on the internet with the assumption you will be bombarded with ads, its a whole 'nother level when the camera is possibly watching me the whole time.

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  • toddzetoddze no where, OKPosts: 2,155Member

    ahhh Just stick some Duck Tape over the camera, problem solved!

    Yet another use for duck tap, Anti spy technology.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member

    Here guys you can bump this song, it'll go great with the tin foil hat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg6eoqTaM8

  • AlthewiseguyAlthewiseguy DumfriesPosts: 108Member
    Originally posted by Elikal

    "Hey we just watch and listen to your everyday life 24/7 for your own good! I mean, really, you don't want all the rubbish ads, now if we observe your entire life, we can bring you RIGHT the ads YOU would want!" Oh yes, now that you explain it that way, yeah please watch me all the time!

    With that and the NSA spying on everyone, fast forward 50 years and every sense of "privacy" is seen as "mental illness" and perversion.

    "What do you mean, you want to be undisturbed and... alone?!" *gasp* "That is so sick! Being not observed, what kind of sicko ARE you?"

    Trust me, it's only the beginning. And all in the name of progress. I swear, just once I'd like to see evil come with a maniac laughter and admitting it's evil. Just for the change. >.<

    This post is funny, yet true. People need to understand this kind of invasion of privacy only happens due to people en mass allowing it. People saying that adverts plaguing people daily is inevitable are also wrong. If people didn't respond to them or did something about them enough there would not be so many. Buying a console only to have advertising thrown at me that I can't block ( Unlike on pc with free plugins ) just sounds crazy. No thanks to any of the coming consoles here thankyou. 

  • superconductingsuperconducting Rochester, NYPosts: 843Member Uncommon

    Oh so now Microsoft thinks it's OK to spy on me with a kinect camera so they can pop ads in my face?

    If this is actually true then FUCK them. Fuck them right in the ear. You couldn't pay me enough to put that cursed XB1 in my house. I'd be way too worried that damned camera will break loose and kill me in my sleep.

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  • giga1000giga1000 Federal Way, WAPosts: 98Member
    As soon as they get rid of Steve" Ballmer and bring in a visionary like Bill gates or Steve Jobs were. Steve" Ballmer is the poster child of what corporate America was and still is and that is what is wrong with Microsoft.
  • BattlerockBattlerock Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,393Member

    I was dead set on becoming a console gamer.

    I sold all my pc equipment before it lost to much value.

    I pre ordered a PS4 and BF4

    Then I got cold feet, refunded my pre order and bought a new pc

    now I'm reading the crap box one and playshit4 are going to have advertisement.

    I give up already.

  • craftseekercraftseeker kynetonPosts: 845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by toddze

    ahhh Just stick some Duck Tape over the camera, problem solved!

    Yet another use for duck tap, Anti spy technology.

    Havnt they made this an offense under the Patriot Act??  I mean seriously interfering with a monitoring device got to give people at least 3 years in jail for that.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,204Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by korent1991

    Originally posted by cribett

    Okay Ads will be there on the PS4 as well no doubt it in my mind .... but why do Microsoft keep fucking themselves over by announcing shit like this .

    Pure comedy!

    not really neccessary... if Sony plays it right and announces that they're against ads on a gaming console might just be the final blow to microsofts xbox...

    because why the hell would I want to see ads when I see them every 20 mins on the TV

    Remember when Sony installed rootkits on people's computers?  Remember when Sony got hacked and exposed the personal information of millions?  Remember NGE?  Consumers are a lot more forgiving than we like to admit.  Microsoft will probably do the most wrong thing and people will still give it a pass.

    Originally posted by tawess

    Your computer is tracked, your phone can be tracked, your credit/debit-card is tracked (and with that goes everything you pay fore with it)

    Why in the living world would you care if your X-Box track you. Your privacy was lost many many years ago and it will keep getting more and more lost for every day.

    That is the sad reality.

    I wonder if people read the permissions on the apps they install.  A lot of free apps that use advertising seem to want a lot of access to things like your location, contacts, libraries/folders/media, and your personal info.

     

    Even if Sony doesn't use targeted ads I wonder if they will harvest information and metrics to provide their partners.  Just because they aren't shoving ads in your face doesn't mean they aren't tracking and monetizing you. 

  • Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
    And who is to say they will go through the proper legal channels to obtain a warrant to do this?

    Law enforcement hasn't needed a warrant since the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act was enacted.

  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    Wait, people trusted Microsoft?

  • mithossmithoss Sankt AugustinPosts: 199Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Tierless

    Wait, people trusted Microsoft?

    Well of course, we trusted them to fail.

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Fun fact for people: Microsoft is currently scuttling multiplatform releases to ensure better sales on the Xbox 360 ( rumor is State of Decay is getting stonewalled and possibly even sabotaged by Microsoft to ensure PC sales of the game when it eventually does get ported will be lackluster).

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  • CodenakCodenak HullPosts: 418Member Common

    Its Microsoft, they want to be paid for watching you for their NSA overlords, after all they didn't get the deal where they can't be sued for doing it.

     

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  • GroovyFlowerGroovyFlower RdamPosts: 1,245Member

    Stick to my PC buy Good Old Games on GOG.com and play old skool so i know im not spyed on 100%DRM free like The Witcher 3 for future.

    And realy, realy hope valve go LINUX and more and more games supported for linux.

    Im fed up with all the DRM games and DLC on day one plus easy spoon fed generations games.

    Im still free of face-goog-twit-micro-ubi-ea-smartphone-apple-ipad or any other social spy apps.

    You be warned for future it will even getting worse ALOT WORSE, soon your lifes are not your own anymore they own and control you.

     

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by GroovyFlower

    Stick to my PC buy Good Old Games on GOG.com and play old skool so i know im not spyed on 100%DRM free like The Witcher 3 for future.

    And realy, realy hope valve go LINUX and more and more games supported for linux.

    Im fed up with all the DRM games and DLC on day one plus easy spoon fed generations games.

    Im still free of face-goog-twit-micro-ubi-ea-smartphone-apple-ipad or any other social spy apps.

    You be warned for future it will even getting worse ALOT WORSE, soon your lifes are not your own anymore they own and control you.

     

    Dude... you're about 30-40 years too late... capitalism = enlightened slavery.

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