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Originally posted by jesad You are incorrect but that is way off of the point I was trying to make anyway. The British and American Armies were using tactics against tactics, as I have demonstrated with my links. They were not using Steampunk weapons against zombies, a situation where I believe that if the armor existed, which I have established it did with my MET link, it would have been used.
What kind of tactic is to stand right in front of a row of enemy fire without armor?
And maybe those steampunk guys were a special unit of gorilla fighters like modern day navy seals since they were just a few and not a whole battalion or platoon...i wouldnt wear heavy clunky armor that makes noise and slow me down if i go fight supernatural monsters especially considering zombies are attracted to noise like in most zombie movies and shows.
Woot! Found it!!
This is from the 1600's. Pistol troops. Later iterations to come. Look at the work on that stuff though. That's some beautiful work.
Real guns in the meantime, and I will stop derailing for now. Sorry.
Originally posted by jesad Woot! Found it!! http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/27.177.1,2 This is from the 1600's. Pistol troops. Later iterations to come. Look at the work on that stuff though. That's some beautiful work.
This is from the 1800s which is when the game The Order "1886" takes its theme from
Originally posted by tkreep Originally posted by jesad Woot! Found it!! http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/27.177.1,2 This is from the 1600's. Pistol troops. Later iterations to come. Look at the work on that stuff though. That's some beautiful work.
I get that. But again, I have to ask, if we are living in a steampunk world where guns like the one in the trailer for that game exist, why are we not living in a world where the armor available at the time has not been advanced as well?
Regarding the earlier comment about the Revolutionary War.
"Full suits of armour were actually worn by generals and princely commanders right up to the second decade of the 18th century. It was the only way they could be mounted and survey the overall battlefield with safety from distant musket fire."
"Though the age of the knight was over, armour continued to be used in many capacities. Soldiers in the American Civil War bought iron and steel vests from peddlers (both sides had considered but rejected body armour for standard issue). The effectiveness of the vests varied widely—some successfully deflected bullets and saved lives, but others were poorly made and resulted in tragedy for the soldiers. In any case the vests were abandoned by many soldiers due to their weight on long marches as well as the stigma they got for being cowards from their fellow troops.:"
Answers both of our questions.
Originally posted by Gaoxin Steampunk is still pretty near to fantasy. Cyberpunk would have been a better choice, or just scifi.
Steampunk is a subgenre of science fiction, so what do you mean by "just scifi"?
It is like knowing Steampunk is an apple and then you say "just fruit". XD
Since we completely derailed though, and it's about time for me to get off. How stupid are people though, based on my last post, to allow themselves to be talked into not wearing something that could possibly prolong their existence, and at the very least allow them to live long enough to get off at least one more shot, just because someone was gonna call them a dirty name? LOL
Screw that, call me a coward, it will probably be the last thing you call me while you are getting killed and I am doing the killing.
Just speculation but I bet it wasn't about being a coward at all. I'll bet it was about resources and moral. They probably couldn't afford to plate them all so they didn't plate any of them, and since they couldn't plate any of them they probably disallowed plate all together so that they didn't have a bunch of pay to win crying going on hehehe.
Originally posted by Gorwe Maybe Jesus was an Eldar? Hmmm... Anyhow, my vote goes to the HF. I love Elves(tho not all adaptations of them), Knights and Magic. In other words I love Warhammer Fantasy and LoTR both. As for steampunk, I see the appeal, but it's not for me imo. Crazy Elf lover sheeesh....
Jesus Built My Hot Rod.* Must've been Steampunk.
I wouldn't mind having a bit of both 'punk and fantasy tossed in the mix. Of course, I've been playing an absurd amount of Skyrim lately - Dwemer ruins with dragons and such.
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If it had to be one or the other then i guess high fantasy.. but im more of a real worl, sci-fi or low fantasy person..
Originally posted by karbonista I'm sick to death of high-fantasy, but I **loathe** steampunk. I want nothing to do with it.
Really, when was the last true high fantasy Dark Ages MMO?
Prbably Lord of The rings... the rest of them all have modern things like guns or renaiusence themed zones in them...
No... i really need something thats dark and creepy fantasy
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The only problem with Steampunk is that it doesn't have a Baws version. By that I mean High Fantasy has a template, and everyone knows exactly what it is. Steampunk is more of an artistic style than a well established setting. I hate to say it, but Steampunk needs a "Hobbit" or "Lord of the Rings". But I'm OK with both. I'd like to see a Steampunk game that wasn't just SciFi or High Fantasy with Steampunk stylings though. ** The closest I've gotten so far is Alice: Madness Returns because of the Victorian setting, and Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, again because of the setting.
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Definitely fantasy, but I'd love to have a "dark fantasy" based MMORPG done right. All recent fantasy MMOs have "parasitic" elements like guns and technology, and also way too much "silly" stuff. I want a real "dark" fantasy MMO, without furry backpacks and colored silly flying mounts.
Conan tried that but sadly failed because of poor "funcomish" design.
Give me a well designed sandbox MMORPG based in the world of Elric of Menilboné (Michael Moorcock), done by a major developer and not by retarded amateurs like aventurine and co, and you will have me as happy customer for years to come. A Game of Thrones MMO done correctly would do the job too.
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Cute Steampunk choice description and was very tempted to pick that.
I prefer a mix personally. Absolutely loved the world of Arcanum where steampunk and fantasy pewpew existed and often collided with each other.
What I DON'T want is where a fantasy games puts in trashy "hipe" elements like WoW's goblins who are so overdone with the hiphop culture it's nauseating, same with the Worgen and the English or DA2 with the Dalish Elves and the Irish.
Although high fantasy has been overdone in games. More steampunk to add variety will be nice.
"raping Legolas with a hand grenade thrown from my armored humvee"
Steampunk: I do not think this word means what you think it means.
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I've had more than enough high fantasy, I'd love a good steampunk game.
Someday, someone will make one. I'd kill for an Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura mmo.
Edit: I'd also love a good cyberpunk game. Looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077 from CDProjekt RED. Maybe someone will make an mmo afterwards.
Originally posted by moosecatlolDoes it have to be either?