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WoW Adding a F2P Style Cash Shop, Confirmed by Blizz.

Fly666monkeyFly666monkey Member UncommonPosts: 161

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125672-Rumor-World-of-Warcraft-To-Add-Microtransactions

What started as a rumor this morning after several players noticed an XP boosting item in the public test shard has been confirmed by a Blizzard Employee as part of an upcoming in-game cash shop.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9377319765?page=9#177

While no mention has been made of the game moving to a free to play model, this has gotten the rumor mill churning. If WoW is planning on going free to play, could this be the final nail in the coffin for subscription-based MMOGs?

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  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690
    Nail in the coffin for subscription based games ? No idea but I don't think the quality is there for mmos to be subscription based anymore. Everyone seems to be making theme park done in a month mmos. Guess we'll soon find out.
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  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    The shining example of p2p is becoming the example of why people stopped paying for them. If your sub isn't giving you all the game has to offer....why are you paying a sub ?
  • azarhalazarhal Member RarePosts: 1,402

    For some reasons I find this extremely funny.

    Also, I'm sure that "store" will have plenty of mounts and pets, Blizz already sell those for WoW.

  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785

    "We are currently exploring the possibility of adding a way for players in certain regions to make purchases directly within the game," Zarhym says. "We'll provide additional updates on our plans as development progresses."

     

    Well if I had to guess which regions would both want and be comfortable with things like XP potions, I'd say the Asian market would fit this description best.

    I think we all know WoW will at some point in time, go F2P. But I'm expecting it to remain P2P with Cash Shop for a long time - basically double dipping just because they can.

    What I do think this is saying is that they are under pressure to improve revenue and with the slow drain of players and the lack of new players flooding in they have to make more money from existing players to maintain current cash flow.

    They've also moved 70% of their Titan staff to other projects (and I'd assume a number of them would go to the WoW team) so they're looking to increase their speed at content creation which, being Blizzard, is glacial.

    And they've got to grab the cash while they can, because there are some potential heavy hitters coming out soon that will continue to chip away at WoW subs. TESO, Wildstar, EQN, FFARR

  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Rusque

     

     

    Well if I had to guess which regions would both want and be comfortable with things like XP potions, I'd say the Asian market would fit this description best.

     

    I'm sure you're right, it's also the area of the world they lost the most subs from.

  • wartyxwtwartyxwt Member Posts: 172

    I can't actually imagine the point of an XP boost in WoW for anyone but brand new players, and even then it's so fast most people blink and miss it already. I suppose if you just want your new character to 90 asap then you could blitz it in a day or so, at least up to MoP content.

     

    However, I am sure I recall Blizzard swearing honest god that the Celestial Steed was not NOT *NOT* (!) the start of a slippery slope into the usual cheesy F2P boosts.

    Disappointing. I would hope that being subbed gives you the same exp speed as these pots and they are going to merely add some F2P servers.

  • spookydomspookydom Member UncommonPosts: 1,782
    It was only a matter of time and we all knew it was coming. I don't play anymore as it bores the crap out of me but I bare the game no ill feelings, had a great time playing it, but my own initial opinion is that cash shop in a subscription game is bad form. If you are going to do that then drop the barriers to entry and the monthly fee.  Going to see what kind of items they will be stocking before totally making my mind up on this one though.
  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,751

    WTF are you people smoking?

    They've been doing these microtransactions for YEARS.  YEARS!

    Server transfers, race change, gender change, name change, sparkly horses, cloudy dragons, chimera pets, panda pets.

    Bitching about it at this point seems a tad ridiculous.

    "ZOMG they're putting their microtransactions IN THE GAME" (as opposed to being a battle.net browser....) 

    This is gaming quicksand at it's best.  QUICK DO SOMETHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING IN DROVES.  Chug chug chug (only forcing people to leave quicker).

  • suckm3suckm3 Member UncommonPosts: 187


    Originally posted by Ikeda
    WTF are you people smoking?They've been doing these microtransactions for YEARS.  YEARS!Server transfers, race change, gender change, name change, sparkly horses, cloudy dragons, chimera pets, panda pets.Bitching about it at this point seems a tad ridiculous."ZOMG they're putting their microtransactions IN THE GAME" (as opposed to being a battle.net browser....) This is gaming quicksand at it's best.  QUICK DO SOMETHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING IN DROVES.  Chug chug chug (only forcing people to leave quicker).

    Yeah, Its funny how some people are like "WOOAAW! Blizzard add here some microtransactions".

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  • Shadowguy64Shadowguy64 Member Posts: 848

    Remind me when gaining XP was hard and needed a boost?

     

    They may as well sell a "Scroll of Maximum Level" for $100 each and be done with it. Why even bother leveling.

     

    I blame the players, not Blizz. Blizz is just providing items that the players want (apparenlty).

  • Fly666monkeyFly666monkey Member UncommonPosts: 161
    Originally posted by lickm3

     


    Originally posted by Ikeda
    WTF are you people smoking?

     

    They've been doing these microtransactions for YEARS.  YEARS!

    Server transfers, race change, gender change, name change, sparkly horses, cloudy dragons, chimera pets, panda pets.

    Bitching about it at this point seems a tad ridiculous.

    "ZOMG they're putting their microtransactions IN THE GAME" (as opposed to being a battle.net browser....) 

    This is gaming quicksand at it's best.  QUICK DO SOMETHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING IN DROVES.  Chug chug chug (only forcing people to leave quicker).


     

    Yeah, Its funny how some people are like "WOOAAW! Blizzard add here some microtransactions".

    I think the fact that they are adding an in-game store is the main reason why this is getting the attention it is.  This is the exact reason that I DON'T think they're testing the waters with the XP booster: they've had plenty of time to figure out what people are willing to pay for microtransactions. The XP booster and in game cash shop seems more in line with a steady switch to a Free to Play or Freemium Model.

    This is just speculation, of course.

  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048

    I have a feeling its going to be used to milk more cash from current users before throwing F2P in the mix. Blizzard isn't above milking its users for money, so having a cash shop with some goods would net them more cash in the long run, until they decide to just go F2P after they feel they got as much as they could from paying subscribers and think its right to go F2P and run on its 'popularity' train before it becomes irrelevant. I think its not really a surprise to anyone in me saying WoW has been far from the 'best' game out there for years now, much of its remaining dominance has been through nostalgia and the use of its numbers left from it. At this point, it is not enough to keep the game going at a steady population. With so much choice and terrible decision after terrible decision trying to cater to casuals, its causing dedicated players to move on, many of which might of gotten more casual friends into the game who leave as well, due to them leaving or just not being as dedicated to it.

     

    Wow was a game that brought me plenty of enjoyment in the past, but its time to accept its not the same game it use to be and its aging in the process. Bad game design choices and age can quickly make a big nostalgic game become irrelevant and cause it to 'bleed out' when the market is so over saturated.

  • VladamyreVladamyre Member UncommonPosts: 223
    You honestly think that Wow is going to go f2p anytime soon? Even if they drop below 5 million subs they won't go f2p. They will cut staff to keep that money flowing into the big suits pockets until they can't bleed anything else out of it. It won't go f2p within the next 3 years. With 5 million subs they still rake in 75 million per month, or 900 million per year. You honestly think any company will just stop taking in anything above 900 million dollars a year? The current sub amount or so that they claim to have is still over 8 million. Lets just see, 8 million subs is 120 million per month, or 1 billion 440 million per year. Even if they decline in subs over the next 4 years at a rate of 1 million lost per year they will never go f2p. You merge servers together and get rid of some hardware, cut staff, add in more crap to buy off the blizz store, and keep the money coming in. They won't be hurting for money for the next 10 years or so.

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  • BallsoutBallsout Member UncommonPosts: 70
    I resubbed for a  month and it is dead. I never see anymore than 5-10 people on in any of the guilds of my characters.

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  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 418

    Meh, old game is old. All this signifies is that this game is losing subs at a high rate & that they are projecting this trend to continue. All failing games eventually seek the crutch that is free to play to maintain the illusion of a virile & healthy population. F2P is essentially the toupee of the mmo industry.

     

    Those hoping this signals that P2P is on the ropes are underestimating the P2P player base along with the new FFXIV mmo. Also, like others in numerous posts have said, this isn't exactly a new practice for WoW. It's just that they are trying to make the act of spending money appear to be part of the game & less like online shopping. It's easier to separate you from your money that way. Much like modern day slot machines. They appear to be games but suck your account down to the last & leave you at the gates of Limbo.

     

    If WoW goes F2P, many players will seek refuge in another P2P game which could truly be the self inflicted death blow mmo players have been prophetically babbling about for years.

  • Attend4455Attend4455 Member Posts: 161
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    WTF are you people smoking?

    They've been doing these microtransactions for YEARS.  YEARS!

    Server transfers, race change, gender change, name change, sparkly horses, cloudy dragons, chimera pets, panda pets.

    Bitching about it at this point seems a tad ridiculous.

    "ZOMG they're putting their microtransactions IN THE GAME" (as opposed to being a battle.net browser....) 

    This is gaming quicksand at it's best.  QUICK DO SOMETHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING IN DROVES.  Chug chug chug (only forcing people to leave quicker).

     

    Spot on, I bear no grudge against WoW but if anything I would think it would just encourage people to leave. Depends if the number of people that would use this exceed the number of people that leave in disgust ^^

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Bad very bad decision, unless they go f2p...

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  • PsYcHoGBRPsYcHoGBR Member UncommonPosts: 482
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    WTF are you people smoking?

    They've been doing these microtransactions for YEARS.  YEARS!

    Server transfers, race change, gender change, name change, sparkly horses, cloudy dragons, chimera pets, panda pets.

    Bitching about it at this point seems a tad ridiculous.

    "ZOMG they're putting their microtransactions IN THE GAME" (as opposed to being a battle.net browser....) 

    This is gaming quicksand at it's best.  QUICK DO SOMETHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING IN DROVES.  Chug chug chug (only forcing people to leave quicker).

    Mounts and pets you can get in game for in game currency but XP potions looks like shop only that's a bit different unless you can buy them with in game currency.

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218
    Looks like they're gearing up for the inevitable F2P in a year or two.  Nothing else going on here move along, FYI they've had a cash shop in WoW for mounts and pets for years.  The sky is not falling.
  • VladamyreVladamyre Member UncommonPosts: 223
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    You honestly think that Wow is going to go f2p anytime soon? Even if they drop below 5 million subs they won't go f2p. They will cut staff to keep that money flowing into the big suits pockets until they can't bleed anything else out of it. It won't go f2p within the next 3 years. With 5 million subs they still rake in 75 million per month, or 900 million per year. You honestly think any company will just stop taking in anything above 900 million dollars a year? The current sub amount or so that they claim to have is still over 8 million. Lets just see, 8 million subs is 120 million per month, or 1 billion 440 million per year. Even if they decline in subs over the next 4 years at a rate of 1 million lost per year they will never go f2p. You merge servers together and get rid of some hardware, cut staff, add in more crap to buy off the blizz store, and keep the money coming in. They won't be hurting for money for the next 10 years or so.

    ActivisionBlizzard already earns less than 75 Million per month from WoW.

    Blizzard already announced to merge Western WoW server after the Eastern merges (Blizzard is referring to the upcomming merge process as " virtual realms" trying to make a fuzz and selling the merges of as a "feature").

    ActivisionBlizzard already laid of hundreds of employees including WoW service staff a while ago..

    These rather poor calculation and prediction attempts are a bit late to the party.

    Just read up the results from ActivisionBlizzard them self instead of further breaking your head over these things.

    Even if you earn less then 75 million per month, would you risk losing it all? We shall all just have to wait and see.

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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077

    WoW going to F2P, doubt it. I doubt it because the fan base has already labeled F2P = fail.

    That won't mean that Blizzard won't add things to level faster. Many ways with it already in MoP, and it's clear they want folks to level 90 quickly.

    My qualm in all of it, once a player does get there the content gets old quick. Which in turn players want even more content.

    After all the changes that Cata brought, frankly I don't enjoy the game. To be told my class of choice was too simple, when those asking to make it more complex lied that it was just a two button class -- and the devs agreed -- more so. When things like that happen, it kills the fun of the game. You're always be reminded what the devs said. A XP boost to raise another class is pointless. Between Cata and MoP, I still played less of them than WotLK. WotLK it was wall-to-wall raids with ICC and no need for LFR for it, either. 25 man raids. But Cata came and flipped every thing over, despite we told them the changes would ruin the game. We were right, millions left and even more are leaving.

    It comes down to respect basically. Waste a players time, money and effort players leave with a bad impression of not only the game the publisher, too. It's just a class to Blizzard, but it's something a player put all that time and money in to play, just to have it thrown like a ragdoll "just because" is just wrong.

    I would love to return to those WotLK days, but the way the game is going (like bosses doing the AoEs, removing a fun part of downing mobs) it's pretty clear what WoW is becoming, a game much like a shooter and as generic. Boring. Which reflects the game play and mechanics since WotLK (why nerf the boss? Just buff the players). I won't lie, I liked it like that being powerful, not the boss's play toy.

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    You honestly think that Wow is going to go f2p anytime soon? Even if they drop below 5 million subs they won't go f2p. They will cut staff to keep that money flowing into the big suits pockets until they can't bleed anything else out of it. It won't go f2p within the next 3 years. With 5 million subs they still rake in 75 million per month, or 900 million per year. You honestly think any company will just stop taking in anything above 900 million dollars a year? The current sub amount or so that they claim to have is still over 8 million. Lets just see, 8 million subs is 120 million per month, or 1 billion 440 million per year. Even if they decline in subs over the next 4 years at a rate of 1 million lost per year they will never go f2p. You merge servers together and get rid of some hardware, cut staff, add in more crap to buy off the blizz store, and keep the money coming in. They won't be hurting for money for the next 10 years or so.

    ActivisionBlizzard already earns less than 75 Million per month from WoW.

    Blizzard already announced to merge Western WoW server after the Eastern merges (Blizzard is referring to the upcomming merge process as " virtual realms" trying to make a fuzz and selling the merges of as a "feature").

    ActivisionBlizzard already laid of hundreds of employees including WoW service staff a while ago..

    These rather poor calculation and prediction attempts are a bit late to the party.

    Just read up the results from ActivisionBlizzard them self instead of further breaking your head over these things.

    If this were any other game/developer people would be holding up blizzard approched to population managment as a great alternative to simply closing servers and forcing migrations on players.... yes WoW has a population issue on many realms but blizzards solution does have features that a simple shut down x amount of servers do not.

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki
    Originally posted by expressors.... yes WoW has a population issue on many realms but blizzards solution does have features that a simple shut down x amount of servers do not.

    Sure... I remember your list of "advantages" full of invalid points from before. No surprise you are trying to be vague. But kudos for the bravery to bring the same failed argument against the same person twice. Enjoy your server merges.

    I don't know why I bother but features include;

    • Continue loging into to your server as you have always have done
    • No forced name or guild name changes
    • No disruption to your guild, in that you all don't have to agree to transfer to the same server
    • Better faction balance on all servers in the cluster as it dynamically on-fly shifts players between servers to maintain a good balance (all seamless and transparent to the player)
    • More people out in the open world (see last point)
    • A bigger friend list as you can add and group with people on all servers in the cluster
    • A bigger pool of players to guild with as again you play with all players on all the servers in the cluster
    • Vastly larger auction house as all the auction houses on the clustered servers are joined
    • A player does not even know this is all it's happening, no loading screens - it's seamless
    • Fewer queues at peek times and expansion launches as population is managed across all servers in the cluster
    You get none of the above with a simple shut down of x amount of servers and forcing players to transfer.  If you're so blind and steadfast you cannot see what blizzard's doing is a much better solution to something that needs to be addressed then we've nothing more to say.
     
    And yes I will enjoy the "server merge" as it will greatly improve the game for all players, and isn't that all that matters?
  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873

    Has anyone noticed that almost no one bothered to actually read the topic in discussion? they probably don't even realise that Blizzard has been doing micro transactions for years through batlle.net. Only difference is that they are adding it in game for sake of convenience.

    It is amazing how many people just immediately jumped 'WOW is going F2P i told you so' bandwagon. Desperate much?

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