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How can you hate a game that literally has no info released yet?

MargulisMargulis Glendale, AZPosts: 1,614Member

I've seen a LOT of extremely negative, hateful, angry, cynical, resentful, doomsaying posts about EQNext already and it literally has no solid information yet at all.  Nothing.  Seriously??  For all you know this could be one of the most enjoyable games you've ever played.  And sure, maybe it wouldn't be, but why already go to that point of discounting and eliminating it as an option to you without knowing ANYTHING about it?  I can understand being ambivalent or on-the-fence waiting for actual info before being excited, but already hating on the game that no one knows anything about is just as ridiculous as people 100% positive this will be their savior MMO.  Actually, it's worse, because the only feedback that has come out so far about the game has been EXTREMELY positive.  And while people can argue the legitimacy of getting best of show from 2 big mmo websites at E3, which I agree with, the bottom line is still that the feedback was extremely positive, NOT negative.  But still, people swinging completely in the opposite direction with the hating, doomsaying, wanting it to fail, etc etc.

What is wrong with you people?  Is it just a joy at watching other things fail - in other words being pretty miserable, angry and resentful inside?  Have you been burned too many times getting excited for a new game only to be disappointed so now you don't even allow yourself to feel anything but skepticism at any new game release?  Or is it maybe contempt or resentment at SOE or Smedley for things done in the past?  Maybe the company has done some things you don't agree with or that affected you personally in a negative way and you want to see the company suffer?  80% or more of the reasons why I see people saying this game will be horrible or will fail is because of some thing that happened in the past with another game of SOE.  This isn't the past people and it isn't one of those other games!!  Have you never made a mistake or done something that others don't agree with, then in the future do a better job and improve?  Are we, and SOE, locked into doing the exact same things over and over again?  Any mistake we make, doomed to repeat it?  Of course not!!  I HATED  few things SOE has done but so what, why can't I give them a chance with this?  I want people to give me a chance when I screw something up to do better next time.  Why even go to that area of hate already?  THERE IS NO INFO YET - GIVE THE GAME A CHANCE TO SUCK BEFORE DECIDING IT SUCKS AND GIVE SOE A CHANCE TO SCREW IT UP BEFORE DECIDING IT'S ALREADY SCREWED UP!!  Jeez

And hell no I don't think people need to be a fanboi or even be excited for the game yet.  But hating it and wanting it to fail already really does nothing but hurt you.  People excited will remain excited, people waiting for more info will continue to wait for more info before deciding, but you will have already eliminated a game that could be fun as hell for you based solely on your own resentments, anger, or whatever it is that results in the despising of something that literally is completely amorphous as of this point in time.

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  • ElderRatElderRat Syracuse, NYPosts: 899Member
    you cannothate it, nor can you like it. Not until August 2nd when they tell you what it is - beyond Everquest.

    Currently bored with MMO's.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by ElderRat
    you cannothate it, nor can you like it. Not until August 2nd when they tell you what it is - beyond Everquest.

    Obviously people can love or hate it without knowing what it is.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • ElderRatElderRat Syracuse, NYPosts: 899Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     


    Originally posted by ElderRat
    you cannothate it, nor can you like it. Not until August 2nd when they tell you what it is - beyond Everquest.


    Obviously people can love or hate it without knowing what it is.

     

    well yes, people are illogical and do very illogical things. Sorry, keep forgetting I am not on Vulcan anymore.

    Currently bored with MMO's.

  • RogoshRogosh MIPosts: 182Member Uncommon
    Most of the hate is for what they perceive SOE has done in the past. Me I will wait and see, I have hopes that it will bring back some of the nostalgia of EQ1.

    "Its better to look ugly and win than pretty and lose"

  • IAmMMOIAmMMO LondonPosts: 1,332Member Uncommon
    It's called shills! This site is a hot bed of them.
  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member

    I'll admit - I'm a blind believer in ANET and Jeff Strain (no longer w ANET)

     

    SOE is a mixed bag for me

    back in 2005, Smed tried RMAH before Blizzard's attempt w D3 -- it included selling characters too

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1716/soes_station_exchange__the_.php

    Smed caught alot of flack for it from players

    altho now its more acceptable  (as seen by Blizzard fans defending RMAH)

     

    Smed has made other blunders (notably EQ1 GoD expansion and SWG NGE)

    but overall I enjoy SOE games - and look forward to trying them

  • ReallyNow10ReallyNow10 Pile It High Town, LAPosts: 2,010Member Common
    The typical "I-got-to-follow-a-linear-script-so-I-can-be-the-Chosen-One" crowd hates any MMORPG that involves risk, challenge, and choice.  They want an interactive movie, basically.
  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    The obvious reply will be how can you love a game with 0 info released so far. I'm a CU mark , but at least we had a TON of written info on the game.

  • kakasakikakasaki Lockhart, TXPosts: 1,205Member
    Originally posted by IAmMMO
    It's called shills! This site is a hot bed of them.

    No, it is called SWG pre NGE fans who carry a torch against anything SOE related. But be a good chap and put your tin foil hat  back on.

    A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  • kakasakikakasaki Lockhart, TXPosts: 1,205Member
    Originally posted by ReallyNow10
    The typical "I-got-to-follow-a-linear-script-so-I-can-be-the-Chosen-One" crowd hates any MMORPG that involves risk, challenge, and choice.  They want an interactive movie, basically.

    The typical "elitist-sandbox-player-who-thinks-anyone-who-hates-a-sandbox-game-sucks" mentality. Funny really to either love or hate on a game we know so little about.

    A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  • ReallyNow10ReallyNow10 Pile It High Town, LAPosts: 2,010Member Common
    Originally posted by Tierless

    The obvious reply will be how can you love a game with 0 info released so far. I'm a CU mark , but at least we had a TON of written info on the game.

    What we know:

    1)  A glipse of decent graphics (just a shot or two)

    2)  Uses their new graphics engine which is fine in Planetside 2

    3)  Claims to be a sandbox, which is a huge boon to those who are tired of being directed from quest hub to quest hub

    4)  Norrath.  (Many folks love Norrath like Tolkien fans love Middle Earth)

    5)  Presumably Triple AAA funding from a game development powerhouse (Sony)

    6)  FTP (some like this, some do not, but will invariably lead to stronger populations on servers, which is almost always a good thing)

    7)  Ten Ton Hammer and (this site? or other gaming site) got a glimpse of the game at E3 and immediately awarded it best in show.  Claims that the game is incredible.

    8)  Some talk of the "You're in Our World Now" theme coming back.  Basically, you play a character in the world, but are in no way some bada&& who pwns or the "Chosen One".  I personally, have always liked just playing an ordinary character who has the potential and opportunity to work up to something better; never liked my characters being born "special" (aka. Rift).

    While nothing is conclusive, this is enough to get me going.  I've been dying for an "true" EQ reboot since the early 2000's.

  • rodingorodingo Posts: 2,346Member Uncommon
    This is MMORPG.com where dreams come true and anything can happen.  This site is a real think-tank full of logic and reason.

    "If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor

  • AldersAlders Jack Burton'sPosts: 1,857Member Uncommon

    It's not the game, it's the countless posts filled with nonsense about a game we know basically nothing about.

    Oh it's a "sandbox!"

    By who's definition?  No one can even agree what a real sandbox is, let alone agree about an MMO with no info.

  • InFlamestwoInFlamestwo HindPosts: 662Member
    It's because it's SoE. What they did to SWG and Vanguard.

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  • ElderRatElderRat Syracuse, NYPosts: 899Member
    Originally posted by Alders

    It's not the game, it's the countless posts filled with nonsense about a game we know basically nothing about.

    Oh it's a "sandbox!"

    By who's definition?  No one can even agree what a real sandbox is, let alone agree about an MMO with no info.

    also there is the "is Smedley telling us anything or just saying anything he thinks will continue the hype" factor.

    Currently bored with MMO's.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,185Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nadia

    I'll admit - I'm a blind believer in ANET and Jeff Strain (no longer w ANET)

     

    SOE is a mixed bag for me

    back in 2005, Smed tried RMAH before Blizzard's attempt w D3 -- it included selling characters too

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1716/soes_station_exchange__the_.php

    Smed caught alot of flack for it from players

    altho now its more acceptable  (as seen by Blizzard fans defending RMAH)

     

    Smed has made other blunders (notably EQ1 GoD expansion and SWG NGE)

    but overall I enjoy SOE games - and look forward to trying them

    I love EQ2 and I'm looking forward to see what EQ:N will be.  But, I don't trust SoE not to backstab their players if it suits them.  I think how they're handling the Dragon's Prophet (poorly imo) release speaks a lot about how much they still don't care and how they haven't changed all that much.  I'm still looking forward to EQN but I'll approach with caution.

    I'm also a fan of Jeff Strain and ANet.  I think their philosophies in trying to deliver fun to their playerbase is spot on.  They don't always succeed how I like, but they're still awesome in my book.

  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by InFlamestwo
    It's because it's SoE. What they did to SWG and Vanguard.

    Stop trolling.

  • SiugSiug TallinnPosts: 1,236Member Uncommon
    I can't hate Everquest. EQN may not be very good considering it will be f2p most likely but I'll still play it. That said I hope EQN will be The MMO and somehow I trust it will be image
  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ReallyNow10
    Originally posted by Tierless

    The obvious reply will be how can you love a game with 0 info released so far. I'm a CU mark , but at least we had a TON of written info on the game.

    What we know:

    1)  A glipse of decent graphics (just a shot or two)

    2)  Uses their new graphics engine which is fine in Planetside 2

    3)  Claims to be a sandbox, which is a huge boon to those who are tired of being directed from quest hub to quest hub

    4)  Norrath.  (Many folks love Norrath like Tolkien fans love Middle Earth)

    5)  Presumably Triple AAA funding from a game development powerhouse (Sony)

    6)  FTP (some like this, some do not, but will invariably lead to stronger populations on servers, which is almost always a good thing)

    7)  Ten Ton Hammer and (this site? or other gaming site) got a glimpse of the game at E3 and immediately awarded it best in show.  Claims that the game is incredible.

    8)  Some talk of the "You're in Our World Now" theme coming back.  Basically, you play a character in the world, but are in no way some bada&& who pwns or the "Chosen One".  I personally, have always liked just playing an ordinary character who has the potential and opportunity to work up to something better; never liked my characters being born "special" (aka. Rift).

    While nothing is conclusive, this is enough to get me going.  I've been dying for an "true" EQ reboot since the early 2000's.

    if the payment model in the game is a hybrid system, F2P with the option to access the whole game via P2P, then i would be all over that, i am not really a fan of cash shops at all, but these days they seem to be a necessary evil, one thing that does encourage me in that regard is that Planetside 2 is a hybrid F2P/P2P game, so EQN likely will be too. And if they truly can capture the EQ1 spirit again, then i doubt i could be happier, EQ1 was my first MMO addiction, and for several years. I just hope that EQ1 is the driving influence on EQN though, and not EQ2.. image

  • Shadowguy64Shadowguy64 Rohnert Park, CAPosts: 848Member
    Because it was the winner of 2013 E3 Best of Show and people love to hate on winners. (Or bandwagon them too)
  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Margulis

    I've seen a LOT of extremely negative, hateful, angry, cynical, resentful, doomsaying posts about EQNext already and it literally has no solid information yet at all.  Nothing.  Seriously??  For all you know this could be one of the most enjoyable games you've ever played.  And sure, maybe it wouldn't be, but why already go to that point of discounting and eliminating it as an option to you without knowing ANYTHING about it?  I can understand being ambivalent or on-the-fence waiting for actual info before being excited, but already hating on the game that no one knows anything about is just as ridiculous as people 100% positive this will be their savior MMO.  Actually, it's worse, because the only feedback that has come out so far about the game has been EXTREMELY positive.  And while people can argue the legitimacy of getting best of show from 2 big mmo websites at E3, which I agree with, the bottom line is still that the feedback was extremely positive, NOT negative.  But still, people swinging completely in the opposite direction with the hating, doomsaying, wanting it to fail, etc etc.

    What is wrong with you people?  Is it just a joy at watching other things fail - in other words being pretty miserable, angry and resentful inside?  Have you been burned too many times getting excited for a new game only to be disappointed so now you don't even allow yourself to feel anything but skepticism at any new game release?  Or is it maybe contempt or resentment at SOE or Smedley for things done in the past?  Maybe the company has done some things you don't agree with or that affected you personally in a negative way and you want to see the company suffer?  80% or more of the reasons why I see people saying this game will be horrible or will fail is because of some thing that happened in the past with another game of SOE.  This isn't the past people and it isn't one of those other games!!  Have you never made a mistake or done something that others don't agree with, then in the future do a better job and improve?  Are we, and SOE, locked into doing the exact same things over and over again?  Any mistake we make, doomed to repeat it?  Of course not!!  I HATED  few things SOE has done but so what, why can't I give them a chance with this?  I want people to give me a chance when I screw something up to do better next time.  Why even go to that area of hate already?  THERE IS NO INFO YET - GIVE THE GAME A CHANCE TO SUCK BEFORE DECIDING IT SUCKS AND GIVE SOE A CHANCE TO SCREW IT UP BEFORE DECIDING IT'S ALREADY SCREWED UP!!  Jeez

    And hell no I don't think people need to be a fanboi or even be excited for the game yet.  But hating it and wanting it to fail already really does nothing but hurt you.  People excited will remain excited, people waiting for more info will continue to wait for more info before deciding, but you will have already eliminated a game that could be fun as hell for you based solely on your own resentments, anger, or whatever it is that results in the despising of something that literally is completely amorphous as of this point in time.

    There really isn't any reason to have any strong feelings about this game since almost nothing is really known about it.  Some people with love it anyway because it has Everquest in the title and others will hate it anyway because it is made by Sony/Smedly.  So I guess the goofiness balances out.

  • StuddleyStuddley Scottville, MIPosts: 37Member
    I don't hate EQNext, but it would have to have a completely different mind-set from the original for me to even consider it. EQ was lots and lots of fun, but it also had some really horrible developer decisions. Like a developer making a maxed out Ranger (that are not allowed to wear plate armor) and then strutting around in plate armor for all the "lesser folk" to see. Even joining in raids (but only with the privileged few). Or the 20 minute boat rides to Freeport. Or the fact that an equal level goblin 1vs1 was suicide (at least for a Cleric), and that one still pisses me off the most. Then the death penalty that could actually make you lose a level. They just took time sinks to a whole new level of torture for their customers.  
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,185Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ElderRat
    Originally posted by Alders

    It's not the game, it's the countless posts filled with nonsense about a game we know basically nothing about.

    Oh it's a "sandbox!"

    By who's definition?  No one can even agree what a real sandbox is, let alone agree about an MMO with no info.

    also there is the "is Smedley telling us anything or just saying anything he thinks will continue the hype" factor.

    Smed loves to troll.  I think he gets bored and likes to see what sort of stir or reaction he can get (e.g. the permadeath tweet).  I think Scott Hartsman even mentioned in a recent mmorpg.com interview that Smed likes to mess with people, even his own people.  I can see him laughing from his office as he and his minions tweet vagaries associated with the game.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    I still play eq2, it is my game.  I would have still been playing SWG if it were not for the nge followed by Lucas Arts screwing all of us. 

    I will say this a lot of folks will hate EQNEXT just because Smedly is involved.  I got to admit, I went toe to toe with Smedly at the 2006 SWG summit in Atlanta.  I was the guy who told him that I was no longer the demographic he was looking for, and he told me I was wrong, and that kicked off a heated argument between me him and several other players. 

    I don't like Smedly ,  I think that hes made a lot of bad decisions.  However I will not discount EQNEXT just because of Smedly. 

    However I can understand why folks have such hate for Smedly. 

     

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon
    I can hate anything I want!

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

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