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List of Sandbox MMOs - Sticky Please

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  • SomeHumanSomeHuman Austin, TXPosts: 350Member Uncommon

    Shores of Hazeron is another.

     

    On sandbox definition: My opinion is that a sandbox must have some sort of free build or world editing element.  Other games are simply open-world, non-linear games.  If I see a tree, can I cut it down is always a good test.  Even games like DF and MO, where you can only build in certain areas, are semi-sandbox in my opinion.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,548Member Uncommon

    Too much trash stickied already, so I vote against the stickying of this.

    Also, Darkfall and Mortal Online are not sandboxes, they are PvP gank fests. The developers of DFO and MO wouldn't know a sandbox if they saw one.

    Anarchy Online isn't a sandbox either, even if I played that game for years and loved it.

    And Age of Wushu definitely isn't a sandbox either.

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  • MyriaMyria Lowell, MAPosts: 570Member Uncommon

    World of Warcraft. It's as much a "sandbox" as most of the rest of that list

     

    Not that, beyond something like Second Life or Minecraft, that the term "sandbox" is anything more than mental masturbation anyway.

  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Age of Wushu. 

     

    add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

    How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

     Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

    Sandbox by definition means you can build and alter the world within a predefined space, or if not, then It's like going into a real sandbox and having your sandcastles already built for you.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,666Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

    Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

    Everyone has their own criteria for it. The great part about that other thread is it has a set criteria and we've adhered to the criteria it assigns for the purpose of the thread. IMO, it's one of the most useful threads on the subject we've had here in years.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,548Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

    Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

    Everyone has their own criteria for it. The great part about that other thread is it has a set criteria and we've adhered to the criteria it assigns for the purpose of the thread. IMO, it's one of the most useful threads on the subject we've had here in years.

    This present thread would be "useful" if there weren't games which are obviously not sandboxes in the list. AO, while a good game, definitely isn't a sandbox. If you have UO and AO on the same list saying it's all sandbox MMOs, then the list is not credible. And don't get me started with Age of Wushu...

    And threads trying to define what a sandbox should be have already been done by the dozen.

    So yeah, this is just another thread trying to define what a sandbox is, and failing at it.

    I agree the other list is MUCH better than this one, even though Mortal Online is still a "tricky" entry in any list because of it's failure to control PvP and therefore ending in a PvP gank fest instead of a sandbox allowing every play style to have fun.

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  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    Darkfall also isn't a sandbox game, it's an open world pvp game. If you want an example of a sandbox then swg is your measuring stick..that game was a pure unadulterated sandbox.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,548Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Darkfall also isn't a sandbox game, it's an open world pvp game. If you want an example of a sandbox then swg is your measuring stick..that game was a pure unadulterated sandbox.

    It's say there are 3 different "measuring sticks" then... UO (the ancestor), SWG and EvE. And since SWG died, there are only two left. Everything else is sub par, second rate, even if some attempts can be decent.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Age of Wushu. 

     

    add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

    How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

     Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

    That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

     And you'd be wrong.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon

    Simple google searches for certain games and sandbox kind of prove that those games are sandbox, regardless of their ability to build stuff.

     

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/07/asherons-call-readies-radical-february-revamp/

     

    "Turbine is taking that gamble with its venerable Asheron's Call sandbox, though, as the title's February update is bringing sweeping changes to the world of Auberean".

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,548Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Age of Wushu. 

     

    add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

    How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

     Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

    That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

     And you'd be wrong.

    Of course he's right. Why call something a sandbox if you can't build anything?

    The base of the appelation is the "sand" the player can mold. No "sand"... no sandbox.

    I played AC1 for 7 years. It's not a sandbox. Or if AC1 is a sandbox, then WoW and GW2 (for instance) are too.

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  • olepiolepi Austin, TXPosts: 1,150Member Uncommon

    To me, the term sandbox means that the player has to create all or most of the "content" of the game. In Ryzom, for example, players cannot build buildings, but it is still a sandbox. Players have to create everything: all spells, actions (like digging), fighting, etc, have to be built by the player. There are no pre-built "powers".

    Players also have to create all the objects in the game: swords, armor, etc, all have to be built by players. Mobs do not drop these items, only mats that can be used to make these items.

    There are also no classes. No "Cleric" and "Mage". It is completely skill based, where using the ability helps to level that ability.

    Also there are no quests, no story-lines, no mobs with a ? over their heads.

    So just because you cannot alter the actual landscape, or build buildings, does not mean it is not a sandbox.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Age of Wushu. 

     

    add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

    How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

     Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

    That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

     And you'd be wrong.

    Of course he's right. Why call something a sandbox if you can't build anything?

    The base of the appelation is the "sand" the player can mold. No "sand"... no sandbox.

     Says where? and says who?  Sorry the sand is just a term, it has nothing to do whether or not you can build.  In reality it is a poor choice of a title because it causes people like yo uto get fixated on 1 little word, and that word has no bearing on the overall definition. 

     

    Sandbox = open world, non instanced, free-form gameplay

    Themepark_ linear, developer created guide rails to carry you through a game.

     

    That is it, period, no ifs and or buts about the definition PERIOD END of Freaking STORY.

     

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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  • dalewjdalewj woburn, MAPosts: 86Member Uncommon
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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Age of Wushu. 

     

    add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

    How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

     Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

    That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

     And you'd be wrong.

    Of course he's right. Why call something a sandbox if you can't build anything?

    The base of the appelation is the "sand" the player can mold. No "sand"... no sandbox.

    I played AC1 for 7 years. It's not a sandbox. Or if AC1 is a sandbox, then WoW and GW2 (for instance) are too.

     WoW and GW2 aren't sandboxes because you are guided from creation to cap through certain zones and there is massive amounts of instancing to create the illusion of a dynamic world or to give you a story.

     

    AC is a sandbox because yo ucan do anything go anywhere and progress, not only that you can progress how you want or not progress at all and still play the game.  Total freedom.

     

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

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  • KazuhiroKazuhiro Hampshire, AZPosts: 509Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by nerovipus32
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Age of Wushu. 

     

    add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

    How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

     Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

    that's how you define 'sandbox'.

    how i see it: you have openworlds and sandboxes. In an open world the player can roam freely through the virtual world and is given freedom in how or when to approach objectives.No invisible walls and loading screens that block you from certain parts of the world.In a sandbox, the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play. openworlds dont necessarily imply a sandbox. For me AoW is a openworld.

    That is the one and only correct definition of a sandbox. Thank you sir for seperating openworld games and sandboxes properly. I award you one internet.

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  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

    Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

    That thread is just a bunch of ppl arguing about what a sandbox is and the OP almost never comes to the forums to update it.

    This one of course will become just another argument but atleast you're active...for now :P

     

    its not supposed to be a debate, just a list in the OP. Didn't know there was another one

  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member
    Originally posted by arieste

    Fallen Earth is missing. 

     

    Also, if you consider AO a sandbox, you can probably consider AoC one too, in terms of being able to build cities, attack other people's cities, etc.  They're both hybrids really.

    AOC is definetly not a sandbox, Fallen Earth has some sandbox elements, but its basically on rails, quests, storyline.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,548Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin
     

    AC is a sandbox because yo ucan do anything go anywhere and progress, not only that you can progress how you want or not progress at all and still play the game.  Total freedom.

    Anyone who played AC1 knows this is totally wrong. Go to the obsidian plains at level 1, and you won't even touch the mobs, if you ever make it there. You'll be bashed so hard that your lifestone will flinch.

    But that has nothing to do with what a sandbox is anyway. UO is a sandbox, yet you can't get into Hyloth and kill a dragon with a new character either, you'll get your ass handed to you properly and end a roasted newbie dragon meal. Sandbox never meant lack of progression, lack of character power increase.

    I'm a big AC1 fan, but I won't try to turn the game into what it never was. You don't build anything in AC1 (except crafting, like in all other MMOs). You don't alter the world, the developers do that. A sandbox is a place where players alter the world actively, without developer intervention. They mold the sand.

    AC1 is not a sandbox for the same reasons Age of Wushu or Guild Wars 2 aren't sandboxes.

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  • dalewjdalewj woburn, MAPosts: 86Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by arieste

    Fallen Earth is missing. 

     

    Also, if you consider AO a sandbox, you can probably consider AoC one too, in terms of being able to build cities, attack other people's cities, etc.  They're both hybrids really.

    AOC is definetly not a sandbox, Fallen Earth has some sandbox elements, but its basically on rails, quests, storyline.

    I agree its very quest driven

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  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

    Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

     You don't like it so it sucks.  Ok.  The world doesn't really work that way.

    No, I mean I searched for 'sandbox' and got one result. Thus it sucks.

  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member
    Originally posted by AlmightyGod

    Shores of Hazeron is another.

     

    On sandbox definition: My opinion is that a sandbox must have some sort of free build or world editing element.  Other games are simply open-world, non-linear games.  If I see a tree, can I cut it down is always a good test.  Even games like DF and MO, where you can only build in certain areas, are semi-sandbox in my opinion.

    Shores doesn't appear to be an MMORPG though.

  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

    Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

    Everyone has their own criteria for it. The great part about that other thread is it has a set criteria and we've adhered to the criteria it assigns for the purpose of the thread. IMO, it's one of the most useful threads on the subject we've had here in years.

    Well like I said, they should sticky that as you cant find it with a search. I don't mind abandoning this thread.

  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by mCalvert
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

    Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

    Everyone has their own criteria for it. The great part about that other thread is it has a set criteria and we've adhered to the criteria it assigns for the purpose of the thread. IMO, it's one of the most useful threads on the subject we've had here in years.

    This present thread would be "useful" if there weren't games which are obviously not sandboxes in the list. AO, while a good game, definitely isn't a sandbox. If you have UO and AO on the same list saying it's all sandbox MMOs, then the list is not credible. And don't get me started with Age of Wushu...

    And threads trying to define what a sandbox should be have already been done by the dozen.

    So yeah, this is just another thread trying to define what a sandbox is, and failing at it.

    I agree the other list is MUCH better than this one, even though Mortal Online is still a "tricky" entry in any list because of it's failure to control PvP and therefore ending in a PvP gank fest instead of a sandbox allowing every play style to have fun.

    That's what a sandbox is. The players control whether its a gankfest or not. They are given tools and decide what to do with them.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,548Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mCalvert

    That's what a sandbox is. The players control whether its a gankfest or not. They are given tools and decide what to do with them.

    Wrong. The "real world" is a sandbox, yet people most of the times don't kill each others in the streets mindlessly, and when they do, there are VERY harsh consequences often ending with the permanent loss of their own life.

    The big flaw of most of those "sandbox wannabe" PvP gank fest games is that they didn't implement the drawbacks for being a serial killer properly. They forgot that in a video game, you have unlimited lives, therefore people don't care about the pathetic consequences those games implement for being an ass. Most asshats who enjoy more making other people's time miserable than to actually play the game don't care about the stupid limitation implemented because they just aren't harsh enough. You don't have life prison sentences and perma-death in video games.

    A few games managed to do it properly, and they flourish. The others remain crappy niche games only played by those who enjoy killing each other all day long without any kind of depth to the gameplay.

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