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My wish for EQ Next
jusomdude
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My wish for EQ Next is a proper risk vs reward system. Most sandbox games cater far more to pirates/bandits or what have you.
After so many player kills, things need to become harder on the ganker.
There also needs to be better risk vs reward for PvE too. For instance more valuable resources should be in more dangerous areas.
If they can get risk vs reward down right then this could turn out to be a real nice game.
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@Really,
Warriors and Rangers can already use 1hs and ranged weapons etc. Do you mean, make the classes in such a way that you get skills/abilities to use with multiple weapons?
I agree that right now you basically auto attack, and every now and then throw a bash / taunt / kick etc, but otherwise its auto pilot.
Not sure I agree with a warrior at range doing more damage then a warrior close combat with a giant axe. I know that Rangers currently in EQ can do an imense amount of damage with their bows at range, and most just use HS for fast AA grinding at the higher levels. Rangers I can see being more suited for ranged damage then warriors. I see your point and thing that warriors should have options ... but I always envision warriors being nastier up close then from afar. I mean , you don't see enchanters running up to monsters with a 2 hander do you?
I want a meaningful way to play the game full time without having to enter combat.
And I don't mean like EQ2 where I play that whack a mole crafting minigame 500 times in a row.
I think that's what the NSA was making Bradley Manning do for 3 years in solitary.
Seriously, what a failed attempt at a mini-game. Better to just have a progress bar like WoW, or preferably, something engaging like Vanguard Diplomacy.
I like all of these mentioned, especially #13 / #14
- SneakyTurtle
I hope adventurers will be losing items quite frequently. If they aren't, the game's economy will stagnate and die. Extreme inflation happens in every themepark, and the only way to mitigate that is to make sure players are restocking on items on a continual basis.
This is also the foundation of the game for crafters. Without a demand for their products, no one will buy their supplies. Simple economics. Supply vs. Demand.
My wishes are the following:
1. Vast world with very distinct environments
2. Auction House
3. Pet classes such as Necromancer
4. Console release
5. Release this year
6.Hoping they are keeping the stylized art style still
7.All servers the same with flag based PvP
8. Faction interaction
9.Large number of races
10. Action combat with no more than 10 abilities on screen at once
11. Rewarding crafting system
12. Rare drops off monsters such as a minipet or mount that requires hours of grinding to get (ex. farming say a gryphon for hours that has a low chance to drop a pet)
and much more but I am not going to make this list any longer due to complaints
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Personally I am simply amazed people still bother to play Everquest considering how poor the graphics are and how dull the aged gameplay is being over 14 years since it was released...Everquest 2 was released to carry over alot of the Everquest players yet its different in ways that still have players clammering for the old days of Everquest. Why are people wanting rehashed gameplay mechanics from 2 really old MMORPGs??
Everquest next should be so dynamic that Norrath comes to your doorstep as opposed to normally going out and adventuring...the adventure should come to you, literally invade your characters world in such a way you feel the immersion which leads to more roleplaying.
Its already been revealed there will be seasonal change and players can build and destroy. Changing seasons should surely bring very dynamic weather and wouldn't it be cool to see migratory MOBs and different MOBs types and changes in their behavior and activity along with the seasons. This should go hand in hand with daylight and nighttime behavior and activity. If Everquest Next is going to allow players to affect the environment by building and destroying; then MOBs should respond/react to these invaders and give them reason to build fortresses with guards, etc...especially if they are destroying nature and claiming lands as their own that have been free open hunting and foraging grounds for MOBs for many years. Of course there should be limitations on where and what players can construct and destroy and time periods/tools involved, etc....
Rare Spawns were interesting and exciting in Everquest yet waiting for them and contending with others doing the same really sucked big time. Instead of rare spawns being in a certain areas and carrying predictible loot make it so they can be in many more areas in a much more dynamic fashion and their loot tables being much more varied and randomized. Rare crafting components could from rare MOBs which would stimulate/encourage crafting and economy.
Grouping shouldn't be so set as it was in previous MMORPGs. Allowing and encouraging many different combinations and number of players. MOBs should adjust strategies and number as a tactical measure based on survival and predatorial instincts or if intelligent being much more resourceful and careful and unpredictible. Get rid of the tank, healer, dps, crowd control roles as MOBs shouldn't be so freakin easily manipulated and overcome....every fight should considered carefully and be a trial for even veteran players.
Faction system has already been mentioned as being a very dynamic part of gameplay as it should be and I already have a good idea where they are going to go with this as it is pure genius. I realized this when I first played Everquest back in the day yet technology at the time wouldn't have been able to bring a dynamic factional system as it can today. Everything you do against MOBs and players should affect a factions position, attitude, demeanor, stance, reaction, aggressive/passive, etc...to such a degree a player is careful what they do even if one of their friends or group members is outright attacked without provocation. Factional system should involve diplomacy, economics, politics, resources, battles, wars, etc...
Lighting system has never really been handled well except in Everquest in my opinion and even that is considered old and primitive. Really made a difference having night vision, infravision, etc... If you have to use a non spell light source in your hand it should affect combat and other activities. Light spells should be dispellable and not always work as intended and this should affect every spell in one way or another so players don't go around taking everything for granted as they move from one area to the next without regard of consideration.
Sensory immersion has been one facet of MMORPGs that I have yet to see handled properly. We are talking Taste, Touch, Sound, Sight, Smell and Intuition, Instinct, Psychic, etc... Races and MOB types should have varying degrees of the aforementioned and they should be taken into consideration and utilized properly.
One thing that still amazes me is how many quests in Everquest were not only not discovered but never revealed to this day. However the day of fixed questing with the exception character development, class/skill development quests, diety quests, race related quests, etc.. is over and players should have some involvement and my guess this has something to do with storybricks. Not sure how this will be handled but I am waiting for the infotrain to come into town in just over a month and I will be waiting to see what is unveiled.
Predictable MOBs according to area and zone types should end and players should be vigilant as the boogieman legend still around to warn those of the foolhardy and unawares. Hoepfully they do away with level ranges and make it so MOBs are all over that you have to pay attention. If a group or a raid is out and about scouting MOBs are alerting inhabitants and as animals do in nature. How do 2 legged players outrun 4 legged ones or even flying creatures??
Mazes, hidden doors, false floors, pits, camoflauged entrance/exit, traps of great variation, unstable terrain, puzzles, riddles, magical mysteries, caves, caverns, vast underwater areas and MOBs, climbing trees is possible as is climbing walls and rough terrain, mine shafts, underground cities and dungeons and fortresses, etc...a world so dynamic and interactive it keeps players bewildered and amazed and enthralled for many, many months possibly even years to come even with things improving so rapidly and quickly.
Cities need to be alive and immersive during the day and night; beggars, prostitutes, drunks, addicts, alleys, thieves, assassins, bullies, bouncers, pickpockets, open markets, wandering merchants, blacksmiths, arenas, jails, prisons, shooting ranges, training grounds, guild halls, faires, freaks, circuses, magicians, fighters guild, mages tower, thieves guild, churches, cemetaries, sewers, wells, hangman, executioners, castles, pubs, clowns, houses, contests, duels, mystery men/women, etc...and it shouldn't be so easy to just wander here and there and do whatever you want.
PvP needs to be a well handled option for players and areas should be ventured around and through carefully as anyone could be a potential target and rightly so.
Players who have logged a good amount of timeplay in the game should feel their time rewarded, especially if they have accumulated alot of time on one character much moreso then others. Risk takers should surely receive more rewards for being so brave, daring, and resourceful to succeed where others have failed or worse. I feel aging should be a part of the game as should diseases, poisons, infections, injuries, encumberance, thirst, hunger, fatigue, exhaustion, etc...so everyone isnt walking around ageless, invulnerable, invincible, satiated, careless and carefree...
I could go on and on and on here though immersion and dynamic MOB AI and player interaction/involvment with environment on a large scale and player driven economy and players basically affecting how the story of the game unfolds and changes as time goes on needs to be the primary emphases of any developer at this time with technology advancing so quickly and players are ready for something truly revolutionary and supposedly Everquest Next is more then the next big teaser
1. Crafting that isn't mind-numbingly repetitive
2. Racial diversity expected of the Everquest series
3. Class diversity expected of the Everquest series
4. Epic crafting, ie, "building", of houses, ships, siege engines, castles, vehicles that will be used in large-scale conflicts either against competing factions or against AI-controlled monster hordes.
Murderers should lose 2-3 items, everyone else should lose 1.
There would be no point to player killing if worst case scenario, you lose gear and no one else does
"That's the point" No, it isnt the point, its to provide proper risk vs reward. Want to kill that guy? You'll get blacklisted and get a piece of his gear, but while youre in the murderer mode for a few hours, you die you lose 2-3 pieces. Pretty fair risk vs reward
If there was only rewards for self defense, I'd taunt the players with the best items in the game to try to kill me.
It's very simple actually...
All Everquest Next has to do is put everything into the game that is in World of Warcraft now, then put in massively more content, play options and much more stuff and it will take over the entire world of MMORPGs and become a massive giant that everyone will play.
Start with anything else and it will become a failure just like all of the other MMORPGs that were touted to become #1.
Didn't you get the memo? World of Warcraft has seen its time and is fast becoming a failure of sorts in its own right; also it wouldn't have even existed if it Everquest never had the success it had in its heyday. The last thing we need right now is another rehashed WoW killer MMORPG...
The days of themparks are over as we are moving more towards sandboxes where players have more say in whats going on in the world and more control over the environment and more influence over how the game setting evolves, much more...so the game isn't the same as day one it could literally change so much over a course of days and weeks and months so isn't hardly recognizeable and is very different on one server as on another server...
Crafting/Professions up the wazoo: Weaponsmith, Armorer, Trinketeer, Bowyers, Fletchers, Jewelers, Provisioner, Chef, Carpenter, Farmer, Fisherman, Alchemist, Enchanter, Tailor, Woodworker, Scholars, Inscription/Engraver, Outfitter, Sage, Herbalist, Huntsman, Gatherer, Butcher, Bartender, Miner, Prospector, Architect, Bounty hunter, Animator, Artillerist, Healer, Bag maker, Runemaster, Trapper, Firework specialist, Boat maker, Engineers, etc...though please don't make it like it was in Everquest 2 ugh....make crafting skill trees where players can specialize in a trade/profession of sorts that works well with creating a dynamic diverse thriving ingame economy where players can haggle, trade, barter, exchange good and services
Mounts for land, air, and water travel of a great variety and size for traveling and moving loads and people enmasse. Teleporting shouldn't be so easy and carefree and careless as it should only be done in extreme situations at great cost and expense and also have changes to backfire, fizzle, random location sending, or worse (many MMORPGs have trivialized this so much its superior to pretty much anything seen on any Star Trek episode).
Spellweaving sounds interesting as something that has been leaked from a SOE source concerning Everquest Next. Spell making and casting should require components, regeants, scrolls, runes, alchemy, etc..so as to make spells something that requires work and preparation.
Items that are used (especially weapons, armor and tools) alot should suffer damage and need to be repaired and restored and also have a chance of breakin/shattering altogether. If magical they should have charges and not be infinitely magical (as often happens in these games) and need recharged or they break/shatter. Some items are simply better made then others and have better stats accordingly and are more durable, etc...yet also more costly and not so easy to make or find.
Encumberance has yet to be handled properly in a MMORPG especially when you can get bags which make everything you put in them weigh nothing whatsoeva. Players shouldn't be able to go out and bring back hoardes of treasure, trinkets, etc...unless they have mules, wagons, etc...which should impede travel and make them vulnerable and targets for bandits, highwaymen, raiders, or worse.
Player housing is a tough one to handle but you only have so much land and so many people and not everyone should be able to have their own mansion or castle and rightly so. Pitching your own camp/tent shouldn't be a problem though lol...yet be careful as there are baddies out and about in the dark of the night, heh.
Cold and heat and other elements should have affects on players and their skills, abilities, spells, etc...and MOBs and on gameplay, etc...
Simply said when you release something that has a time limit on the playability factor in this saturated genre you are forced to impliment gameplay which either ruins immersiveness or trivializes everything so there is no roleplaying whatsoever or you have to release expansions and increase levels to the point the game turns into a TV/Cable series on its next season turning into ridiculousness and easily ridiculted and scoffed at by many.
You know, as goofy a game as Ragnarok Online was, the ONE thing I took from that game that I thought was neat was the merchant class.
I want to ride up to groups of players in a wagon and have them be able to look through my stuff and buy from me. I could stock up on useful consumables that people out fighting might want and travel around. Give it its own trade window, like they're buying from an npc vendor...except its the stuff I put there.
Could even be skill based advancement. Selling things in different areas skills up my ability to get around in the wagon. Maybe just selling alot helps raise a different skill letting me get a little more money from the sale, or chance to not lose an item when I sell it....or just anything that would be useful to a merchant.
One of my big wishes is for SOE to actually police the game and keep the people who refuse to acknowledge the universe it is based in by naming their characters such things as "leetpwner" or "NYdudeyo" out of it. Seriously, I expect that kind of thing in WoW (even though it is officially against Blizzard's naming policies), but I don't play EQII to have a "WoW" experience.
I play Everquest to have a deeper RP experience than what I get playing WoW. I'm not talking about hardcore RP here, I'm just talking about having enough respect for your players who don't want to get jarred out of their experience by allowing such names. ENFORCE THE NAMING POLICY!
Everquest Next is the only upcoming MMOG that I have any interest in, but the fact that it is almost certainly going have a F2P system like the other Everquest games means I'm not going to buy it. You aren't using my money to pay to for the development of your game that you are going to turn around and give to other players! If the game is good enough, and you have a subscription system similar to EQII's, I will be happy to pay a sub fee, but this business of charging for something other people get free is wrong, and too many other companies have ripped off subscription people by turning their game into F2P months later, after people paid $60 for it (not to mention their subscription fees). Like, okay, I get you want to get that big chunk of cash up-front to help offset development costs, but that doesn't make it fair or right.
Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall
I want to have to work to level up. Level caps measured in months, not hours or days.
Player housing that is useful - either for crafting, growing and harvesting plants, etc.
Economy that links crafters and PVE. In FFXI if you wanted the best gear, you needed a drop from a tough mob and a crafted piece. Put them together and voila ...
Good Main storyline, but ... see the next one
Legitimate ways to level without quest hubs.
Multi-player. No solo'ing all the way to cap. Bug a single-player game if that's what you want.
You know what the real difference is between now and when EQ came out?
Back then no one was sitting around with a wish list of everything that should be in EQ. People just said "thank you" and played or "no thank you" and didn't play.
These days everyone has a laundry list of what they want and for some inexplicable reason, they're shocked when it doesn't turn out the way they wanted. You can't expect one game to cater to all these wishlists, it'll simply never happen.
Personally I wish they would get rid of levels and hit points entirely as I clearly remember playing a median level Monk in early Everquest and getting hit by a median level necromancer MOB for a punch with considerably more damage then a max level Monk at the time and that to me was laughable and ridiculous...
Everyone keeps dismissing immersive aspects that could bring about alot more of a roleplaying aspect as the player is immersed into the virtual reality; instead of all this sentimentality and nostalgia brought up from the good ol days of Everquest
SOE should want a game that changes and evolves without having to add expansions months after launch because players have burnt through all the content
Once upon a time in Everquest, should step to the wayside, for something more interesting, exciting, and immersive, involving actual physics and rich detailed graphics, yet in a setting for people to escape and roleplay with people from all of the world and actually feel like they are a part of something, as their role in the game has some significance and recognition, especially those who are dedicated and loyal over time...
Things I would like to see; and if you read all this you must really love gaming : ) thanks in advance!
No auction houses! I miss the days of getting to the tunnel between N Ro and that zone west of Freeport to sell items. I use to love and yell out my items to sell and see what others were selling. The place had a sense of community, forced people to interact. Listing things to sell from your computer just seems wrong, like anything else if your character needs to do something then you should have to do it live and in person. I know I would miss the ease of an Bazaar/auction house but I think the community would be stronger without one. I could see that at higher levels one could have npc merchants who work for their guild that you can sell items through, but the seller and the buyer have to at least visit the npc in person once to list and once to pick up Mail should not magically appear, it should only come to one place, your home and there too should be your storage.
Most items should not be character bound. Magic items should be RARE, my lord most games everyone has the same high level items and same look. Magic items should not be linked always to looks, did bilbo's mithril vest change his jacket look ? This will at least provide some differences in looks.
Housing of some type for sure, at least guild housing.
I'd like to see taverns or inns where people actually have a reason to go to and chat, be good place to conduct sales of equipment : ) Not a lot of them, one per city maybe.
I dislike transportation via portals, gates etc. Gettng around should be half the adventure, mounts would be great, flying ones at high levels, perhaps a few things like trains, stage coaches, ferrys..
Yes I want to adventure but I also want an atmosphere where I can meet up with my friends and actually sit around a table and have an ale! Perhaps occasionally npcs will give out secrets in overheard conversations.
I have been a DM/GM since 1976 starting with Dungeon and Dragons to being one of the first paid online GM's back in 89, and the one place my players always told me they enjoyed the most was the Inn where I would have them based and was their home..."The Mangled Puppet Inn" was the name for the curious : )
If anyone replies I will be sure to read and reply myself.
Good Gaming!
Macmorn
The only problem I see with the whole no auction house thing is that in THEORY if the game is on PS4 they probably wouldn't allow keyboards to be used (maybe) therefore how in the world would anyone even slightly convieniently spam in chat to sell their items on a controller?
(Don't get me wrong, I like player to player trading as I have seen it done in Runescape 2007 very well, but it doesn't make much sense to me to not have an auction house.)
but here again this is all for speculation and personal opinions so ignore me being a fuddy dud
I think your concept of single player is limited. Granted it comes from how most MMOGs are built, not what they could be, nevertheless though, it is inaccurate.
I started playing Everquest in 1999 solo, and spent playing most of the time solo. Grouping was largely involved in camping spawns that had drops that were much in demand (as there was no "instancing" in those days, and you could team up with other players formally or by agreement). I did develop a few friends that I played with semi-regularly, but that wasn't how I played EQ.
What the original EQ had was danger around every corner for the solo player. There were mobs that could kill you in a heartbeat seeded amongst the regular ones (at least if you were a relatively ignorant player with low quality gear), and you had to be very careful - leading to a sense of danger that just doesn't exist in MMOGs today.
My point is, Your idea of solo play is (likely) that it is something easy that people casually sleep their way through, and that isn't a fundamentally true, it's just what developers have done. I whole-heartedly agree that the super-easy content does nothing to make an MMOG good, but I adamantly disagree that 1) group content is any more difficult, and that 2) solo content needs to be easy. The fact is most group content (instances) is a snore in terms of difficulty once you leanrn anything about how things work.
In fact there is difficult solo content even in World of Warcraft. Granted it boils down to one quest, but at least they are trying something out.
MMOGs aren't and shouldn't be about group content only. I came to play EQ, and then others, from reading fantasy and science fiction books; I wanted to "live" in a world that supported the feeling of heroic capabilities, be that "sword" or "sorcery", in a fantasy world. Novels, books, movies are all about a single protagonist overcoming challenges, and the best are the ones that lead you to think the "hero" did something remarkable that few could accomplish.
That's what I want from my MMOG play. I want difficult content that leads to me feeling like I'm something special in terms of abilities and skill.
I'm not opposed to joining others; I'm not some anti-social guy living in a cave somewhere ordering pizza and living off of it because I don't want to get out in the world. I usually belong to a guild, and I take part in group activities. I've done my share of raiding, and absolutely plan to do more. There is nothing like doing something hard on your own - but there is also nothing like doing something hard with a well-coordinated team.
So, please, carry the banner against mushy, insipid content that is about as satisfying as a bowl of pablum, I'm right there beside you! But don't fight against solo content, fight FOR involving and difficult solo content. It's the "casual" (a word that has been corrupted badly in describing some MMOG players) content that is making our games bad. Give those of us that want something with depth and meat on its bones a home, there is plenty of the other stuff for those kinds of players.
Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall