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[General Article] Warhammer 40.000: Eternal Crusade: Making a Warhammer 40,000 MMO: The History

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  • M1sf1tM1sf1t San Francisco, CAPosts: 1,583Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Razephon

    I really think people don't understand their business model.

    It is a B2P game with the option of F2P. Thats the impression I get from the latest interviews.

    More like, "Pay us to be able to play and log into our game and then pay again to be able to play past the limited options we have allowed you to access via our business model", i.e. a franchise money grab by GW, the publisher and this developer. 

    This game will bomb very hard in the end. 

     

    Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.

    Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:

    GW2 (+LoL and BF3)

  • Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by Malice
    First thing dont let mythic or Ea anywhere near it

    Second thing: dont let the developers of Naughty Bear or Doritos Crash Course near it.

     


    ....oh wait, that already happened.

     

    Seriously, dont get excited, the developer Behaviour Interactive is terrible.

    How did u know that they are terrible? Yes Behaviour Interactive is not a big company.But this is their first mmorpg .And Miguel Caron(Head of Behaviour’s Online Studio) used to be the CEO of Funcom. He joined the company about three months ago. How can you talk so certain? They are not EA or SOE you know... They never been failed like this companies before...

     
  • ArskaaaArskaaa KauhajokiPosts: 842Member Uncommon
    Dont expet too much. last warhammer online failed.
  • severiusseverius sacramento, CAPosts: 1,514Member Common

    You forgot the best non-rts WH40k game.  How can you even begin talking about this series and completely miss 1995 or 96's Space Hulk from EA, back when EA weren't as douchey?

    Darn kids with no respect for the past.... :)

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  • Gr1ngoGr1ngo HullPosts: 29Member
    Originally posted by severius

    You forgot the best non-rts WH40k game.  How can you even begin talking about this series and completely miss 1995 or 96's Space Hulk from EA, back when EA weren't as douchey?

    Darn kids with no respect for the past.... :)

    Also missed Final Liberation, an awesome Turn-based strategy game on PC and Chaos Gate. And if you want to go back REALLY far, Space Crusade on the Amiga/Atari ST :D

  • AirtaeeAirtaee Santa CruzPosts: 84Member
    I would pay 25$ month for be the last squat in the game. Shame to workshop for remove the squats, shame to workshop for not introduce demiurges ...
  • Moon-DaddyMoon-Daddy SydneyPosts: 95Member
    I need Imperial guard, guard should be free to play, but let me  pay to play as a commissar and shoot any who flees from holding the line.
     

    Making so much noise you dont know when to listen.

  • reploidxreploidx Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 320Member Uncommon
    There are no wolves on Fenris
  • YizleYizle Atlanta, GAPosts: 517Member
    I will be definitely taking the wait and see approach regarding the company, game and this business model for pay per tier/race.
  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,125Member Uncommon
    If they ever add Necrons as playable I'll likely lose all restraint and be pulled into this game no matter what the game is like.

    You stay sassy!

  • grndzrogrndzro Reno, NVPosts: 1,150Member
    THQ is not a healthy company. Unless someone very big backs then I predict failure.....
  • RedmowRedmow Madison, ALPosts: 196Member
     I look forward to the game. Or at least to some videos of the game in action. Space Wolves.
  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,125Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TsaboHavoc
    i recommend the ladies to do a research before posting, but here goes, WH40K isnt balanced and the game wont be, they already stated that, do u want a snotling to go toe-on-toe with a space marine, u already have ur game, Wow  and Gw 2 are that way,   Cheese section --->, if u want balance, hold-hand mechanics, killtenrats, insert casual feature here, GTFO.
     

    That was like delving into the mind of someone with ADHD ... brilliant!

    You stay sassy!

  • WaizerWaizer BarryPosts: 125Member

    really hope this game does live up to its billing.

    cannot shout loud enough about how good this game looks, the devs have said alot in a detailed interview recently that made me v excited :)

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,762Member Uncommon
    Having talked about how DM came to nothing and all the hype and talk about that, what does Garret want us to do? Start talking all over again, this time about EC. How about just waiting until there is something more than a trailer this time?
  • OlgarkOlgark BostonPosts: 319Member Uncommon

    The game Climax was developing was based on the old PnP version of Warhammer. In my mind it would of done better than WAR due to its ideas and the way the career system was going to work.

    GW should of let them continue to be honest. Would of been a far better game than Mythics version of WoW.

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  • YuuiYuui KaunasPosts: 723Member
    Originally posted by Wyrdfell
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by Malice
    First thing dont let mythic or Ea anywhere near it

    Second thing: dont let the developers of Naughty Bear or Doritos Crash Course near it.

     


    ....oh wait, that already happened.

     

    Seriously, dont get excited, the developer Behaviour Interactive is terrible.

    How did u know that they are terrible? Yes Behaviour Interactive is not a big company.But this is their first mmorpg .And Miguel Caron(Head of Behaviour’s Online Studio) used to be the CEO of Funcom. He joined the company about three months ago. How can you talk so certain? They are not EA or SOE you know... They never been failed like this companies before...

     

    Maybe because they released:

     
    • Naughty Bear: Panic in Paradise (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Ice Age : Continental Drift – Arctic Games (Wii, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo DS, Xbox 360)
    • Brave: The Video Game (Microsoft Windows, Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Voltron: Defender of the Universe (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Wii, Nintendo 3DS Nintendo DS)
    • Rango: The Video Game (Multiplatform) (Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Doritos Crash Course (Xbox Live Arcade)
    • MySims SkyHeroes (Multiplatform)
    • Naughty Bear (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Dante's Inferno (PSP version)
    • WET (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings (Wii and PlayStation 2 versions)
    • MySims Racing (Nintendo DS and Wii)
    • Kung Fu Panda: Legendary Warriors (Nintendo DS and Wii versions)
    • Iron Man (Wii, PlayStation 2, PlayStation Portable, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • High School Musical: Makin' the Cut! (Wii, PlayStation 2, Nintendo DS versions)
    • Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (PlayStation 2 version)
    • Lord of the Rings: Conquest (Nintendo DS version)
    • High School Musical 2: Work This Out! (Nintendo DS version)
    • Transformers: Animated (Nintendo DS version)
    • The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (Nintendo DS version)
    • Power Rangers: Super Legends (PlayStation 2, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • Spider-Man: Friend or Foe (Nintendo DS & PlayStation Portable versions)
    • WET 2 (Multiplatform)
    • Happy Feet
    • The Ant Bully
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Global Gemini
    • Disney's Kim Possible: What's the Switch?
    • Teen Titans
    • Monster House
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator
    • Evergirl
    • Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
    • Flow: Urban Dance Uprising
    • Chicken Little
    • Lizzie McGuire 2
    • Get On Da Mic
    • Scooby-Doo! Unmasked
    • Scaler
    • Carmen Sandiego: The Secret of the Stolen Drums
    • Kim Possible 2: Drakken's Demise
    • Home on the Range
    • Scooby Doo: Mystery Mayhem
    • Ice Age
    • Monsters, Inc. Scream Team
    • Bugs Bunny & Taz: Time Busters
    • Smurf Racer
    • The Grinch
    • Bugs Bunny: Lost in Time
    • Jersey Devil
    • Drake & Josh
    • Doritos Crash Course 2Titles

     

    ?

     

    See the pattern?

     

    VERY crappy games and movie-tie-in shovelware. 

     

    # A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY
    # ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED
    # A MASKED CRY ADORING
    # A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON

  • nerovipus32nerovipus32 dublinPosts: 2,735Member
    Originally posted by Wraithone
    Well, I wish you all the best, but I've long since given up on PvP centric games.  Its too bad, as there is much more of a market for PvE, than PvP focused games.  I hope things work out.

    Much more of a market for PVE games?  Somehow i doubt that, if your game does not have pvp it will be a niche game.

  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member
    Originally posted by Yuui
    Originally posted by Wyrdfell
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by Malice
    First thing dont let mythic or Ea anywhere near it

    Second thing: dont let the developers of Naughty Bear or Doritos Crash Course near it.

     


    ....oh wait, that already happened.

     

    Seriously, dont get excited, the developer Behaviour Interactive is terrible.

    How did u know that they are terrible? Yes Behaviour Interactive is not a big company.But this is their first mmorpg .And Miguel Caron(Head of Behaviour’s Online Studio) used to be the CEO of Funcom. He joined the company about three months ago. How can you talk so certain? They are not EA or SOE you know... They never been failed like this companies before...

     

    Maybe because they released:

     
    • Naughty Bear: Panic in Paradise (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Ice Age : Continental Drift – Arctic Games (Wii, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo DS, Xbox 360)
    • Brave: The Video Game (Microsoft Windows, Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Voltron: Defender of the Universe (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Wii, Nintendo 3DS Nintendo DS)
    • Rango: The Video Game (Multiplatform) (Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Doritos Crash Course (Xbox Live Arcade)
    • MySims SkyHeroes (Multiplatform)
    • Naughty Bear (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Dante's Inferno (PSP version)
    • WET (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings (Wii and PlayStation 2 versions)
    • MySims Racing (Nintendo DS and Wii)
    • Kung Fu Panda: Legendary Warriors (Nintendo DS and Wii versions)
    • Iron Man (Wii, PlayStation 2, PlayStation Portable, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • High School Musical: Makin' the Cut! (Wii, PlayStation 2, Nintendo DS versions)
    • Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (PlayStation 2 version)
    • Lord of the Rings: Conquest (Nintendo DS version)
    • High School Musical 2: Work This Out! (Nintendo DS version)
    • Transformers: Animated (Nintendo DS version)
    • The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (Nintendo DS version)
    • Power Rangers: Super Legends (PlayStation 2, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • Spider-Man: Friend or Foe (Nintendo DS & PlayStation Portable versions)
    • WET 2 (Multiplatform)
    • Happy Feet
    • The Ant Bully
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Global Gemini
    • Disney's Kim Possible: What's the Switch?
    • Teen Titans
    • Monster House
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator
    • Evergirl
    • Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
    • Flow: Urban Dance Uprising
    • Chicken Little
    • Lizzie McGuire 2
    • Get On Da Mic
    • Scooby-Doo! Unmasked
    • Scaler
    • Carmen Sandiego: The Secret of the Stolen Drums
    • Kim Possible 2: Drakken's Demise
    • Home on the Range
    • Scooby Doo: Mystery Mayhem
    • Ice Age
    • Monsters, Inc. Scream Team
    • Bugs Bunny & Taz: Time Busters
    • Smurf Racer
    • The Grinch
    • Bugs Bunny: Lost in Time
    • Jersey Devil
    • Drake & Josh
    • Doritos Crash Course 2Titles

     

    ?

     

    See the pattern?

     

    VERY crappy games and movie-tie-in shovelware. 

     

     

    I stand on a wait-and-see approach

    Its not like I have something to lose from waiting the result

    "It has potential"
    -Second most used phrase on existence
    "It sucks"
    -Most used phrase on existence

  • ArskaaaArskaaa KauhajokiPosts: 842Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yuui
    Originally posted by Wyrdfell
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by Malice
    First thing dont let mythic or Ea anywhere near it

    Second thing: dont let the developers of Naughty Bear or Doritos Crash Course near it.

     


    ....oh wait, that already happened.

     

    Seriously, dont get excited, the developer Behaviour Interactive is terrible.

    How did u know that they are terrible? Yes Behaviour Interactive is not a big company.But this is their first mmorpg .And Miguel Caron(Head of Behaviour’s Online Studio) used to be the CEO of Funcom. He joined the company about three months ago. How can you talk so certain? They are not EA or SOE you know... They never been failed like this companies before...

     

    Maybe because they released:

     
    • Naughty Bear: Panic in Paradise (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Ice Age : Continental Drift – Arctic Games (Wii, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo DS, Xbox 360)
    • Brave: The Video Game (Microsoft Windows, Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Voltron: Defender of the Universe (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Wii, Nintendo 3DS Nintendo DS)
    • Rango: The Video Game (Multiplatform) (Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Doritos Crash Course (Xbox Live Arcade)
    • MySims SkyHeroes (Multiplatform)
    • Naughty Bear (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Dante's Inferno (PSP version)
    • WET (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings (Wii and PlayStation 2 versions)
    • MySims Racing (Nintendo DS and Wii)
    • Kung Fu Panda: Legendary Warriors (Nintendo DS and Wii versions)
    • Iron Man (Wii, PlayStation 2, PlayStation Portable, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • High School Musical: Makin' the Cut! (Wii, PlayStation 2, Nintendo DS versions)
    • Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (PlayStation 2 version)
    • Lord of the Rings: Conquest (Nintendo DS version)
    • High School Musical 2: Work This Out! (Nintendo DS version)
    • Transformers: Animated (Nintendo DS version)
    • The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (Nintendo DS version)
    • Power Rangers: Super Legends (PlayStation 2, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • Spider-Man: Friend or Foe (Nintendo DS & PlayStation Portable versions)
    • WET 2 (Multiplatform)
    • Happy Feet
    • The Ant Bully
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Global Gemini
    • Disney's Kim Possible: What's the Switch?
    • Teen Titans
    • Monster House
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator
    • Evergirl
    • Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
    • Flow: Urban Dance Uprising
    • Chicken Little
    • Lizzie McGuire 2
    • Get On Da Mic
    • Scooby-Doo! Unmasked
    • Scaler
    • Carmen Sandiego: The Secret of the Stolen Drums
    • Kim Possible 2: Drakken's Demise
    • Home on the Range
    • Scooby Doo: Mystery Mayhem
    • Ice Age
    • Monsters, Inc. Scream Team
    • Bugs Bunny & Taz: Time Busters
    • Smurf Racer
    • The Grinch
    • Bugs Bunny: Lost in Time
    • Jersey Devil
    • Drake & Josh
    • Doritos Crash Course 2Titles

     

    ?

     

    See the pattern?

     

    VERY crappy games and movie-tie-in shovelware. 

     

    WOAH! looks like big fail coming.

  • VlackeVlacke BelgradePosts: 155Member Common

    I agree that this particular development company didn't make a single good game as of yet. but this is a first major project they are involved in and i believe they have hired some additional talent in order to deliver something that will at least resemble to a good game.

    So all their bad games aside i will give them the benefit of the doubt since i have been wanting a WH40k MMO for a long time now so i wish them success, hopefully they will deliver, their ideas sound very promising and generally i am very much looking forward to see the final product they create.

  • VarthanderVarthander BarcelonaPosts: 471Member
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by spawn12345

    Sounds good but it will fail.

    f2p mmo with f2p guys can only go one faction? that a disaster right there. There is no way in hell any human can program balance around a mechanic like that. There will be huge inbalance from launch until the game dies.

     

    Yes that sounds like a very odd decision. Even if the F2P characters would be much weaker than the paid characters, that still does not counter the fact that there will be ten times as many of them, atleast.

     

    in time they will just over feed the other factions, so dont worry about that.

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  • Originally posted by Yuui
    Originally posted by Wyrdfell
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by Malice
    First thing dont let mythic or Ea anywhere near it

    Second thing: dont let the developers of Naughty Bear or Doritos Crash Course near it.

     


    ....oh wait, that already happened.

     

    Seriously, dont get excited, the developer Behaviour Interactive is terrible.

    How did u know that they are terrible? Yes Behaviour Interactive is not a big company.But this is their first mmorpg .And Miguel Caron(Head of Behaviour’s Online Studio) used to be the CEO of Funcom. He joined the company about three months ago. How can you talk so certain? They are not EA or SOE you know... They never been failed like this companies before...

     

    Maybe because they released:

     
    • Naughty Bear: Panic in Paradise (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Ice Age : Continental Drift – Arctic Games (Wii, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo DS, Xbox 360)
    • Brave: The Video Game (Microsoft Windows, Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Voltron: Defender of the Universe (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade)
    • Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Wii, Nintendo 3DS Nintendo DS)
    • Rango: The Video Game (Multiplatform) (Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS)
    • Doritos Crash Course (Xbox Live Arcade)
    • MySims SkyHeroes (Multiplatform)
    • Naughty Bear (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Dante's Inferno (PSP version)
    • WET (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360)
    • Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings (Wii and PlayStation 2 versions)
    • MySims Racing (Nintendo DS and Wii)
    • Kung Fu Panda: Legendary Warriors (Nintendo DS and Wii versions)
    • Iron Man (Wii, PlayStation 2, PlayStation Portable, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • High School Musical: Makin' the Cut! (Wii, PlayStation 2, Nintendo DS versions)
    • Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (PlayStation 2 version)
    • Lord of the Rings: Conquest (Nintendo DS version)
    • High School Musical 2: Work This Out! (Nintendo DS version)
    • Transformers: Animated (Nintendo DS version)
    • The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (Nintendo DS version)
    • Power Rangers: Super Legends (PlayStation 2, PC and Nintendo DS versions)
    • Spider-Man: Friend or Foe (Nintendo DS & PlayStation Portable versions)
    • WET 2 (Multiplatform)
    • Happy Feet
    • The Ant Bully
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Global Gemini
    • Disney's Kim Possible: What's the Switch?
    • Teen Titans
    • Monster House
    • Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator
    • Evergirl
    • Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
    • Flow: Urban Dance Uprising
    • Chicken Little
    • Lizzie McGuire 2
    • Get On Da Mic
    • Scooby-Doo! Unmasked
    • Scaler
    • Carmen Sandiego: The Secret of the Stolen Drums
    • Kim Possible 2: Drakken's Demise
    • Home on the Range
    • Scooby Doo: Mystery Mayhem
    • Ice Age
    • Monsters, Inc. Scream Team
    • Bugs Bunny & Taz: Time Busters
    • Smurf Racer
    • The Grinch
    • Bugs Bunny: Lost in Time
    • Jersey Devil
    • Drake & Josh
    • Doritos Crash Course 2Titles

     

    ?

     

    See the pattern?

     

    VERY crappy games and movie-tie-in shovelware. 

     

    So what? Now they have a whole new team for this game.And trust me this new team got actually pretty good guys with them. These games are mostly  consol games.And they are meh... But you know Warhammer 40k their first serious and big game.And their first mmorpg.

    For example, Trion was a very small company.And Rift their first game.But Rift actually did pretty good right? I actually don't like Rift but that's not mean Rift is a bad game.It got its own community

    If Behaviour had created an mmorpg and they had failed, I'd say you're right.But this is their first try.And I can't say anything till game releases.

     
  • miguelcaronmiguelcaron Studio Head - Behaviour Montreal, QCPosts: 69Member Uncommon

    Thanks MMORPG.COM for this good read. To all the fans, thanks you for your support. Please stop talking about us in the 3rd person :-). The dev team and I are here and taking all your suggestions down. I have decided on a different Marketing and PR approach: NO firewall between you and the Devs. Regarding your comments about Behaviour. Behaviours is the first and oldest Canadian own Indi Studio. It has more than 20 years of making games for OTHERS (with fix time and budget limitation) and has now a top 10 game in every platform from XBLA to Itunes. It has around 300 employees making it one of the largest Canadian Own company. They master planning and are one of the most financial disciplined company.

    Now Behaviour as decided to Invest in his own game with my new studio Behaviour Online. I built the studio with MMO Veteran. You will get to know them in the upcoming months.

    Behaviour Online has now 2 announced project: WarHammer 40000 Eternal Crusade and Chris Roberts Star Citizen. :-)

    One of the post here really gave me a good laugh. A fan was disagreeing with our Idea of Boyz being free to play because he did not want free players running around, undisciplined and bad mouthing other players!!!!  That is the definition of a Boyz!!! :-)

    Regarding balance, signup for our BETA on our site and you will receive ore info about it in our newsletter but I will leave you with this: Chess is Balance but a pawn is not balanced against the Queen. ;-)

    THERE IS ONLY WAR

    Miguel

    Studio Head

    Behaviour Online.

     

    Studio Head of Behaviour Entertainment on WAR40K: Eternal Crusade

  • phjilleephjillee HalmstadPosts: 4Member

    So basically the Orks will have the upper hand, provided that the amount of "upgraded" players will be roughly the same for all factions. The Orks will end up having just as many "upgraded" players as any other faction and have all the f2p players to boot.

     

    I think it would smarter to give each faction a f2p option, like Imperial Guardsmen or Space Marine scouts for the Imperium, cultists for Chaos and so on.

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